mr2-digest Friday, 2 May 1997 Volume 01 : Number 1054 RE: MR2 Correct Octane fuel for MKI n/a MR2 RE: rear bearing MR2: 'Toyota EPC' Program For Toyota's CD's MR2 92 MKII Ticking noise MR2 MK1: timing adjustment Re: MR2 MK1: timing adjustment MR2 Mk 1 alternators; stripped spark plug threads? MR2 What's the Number? Re: MR2 What's the Number? MR2 POCONO INFO IF YOU'RE NOT AUTOXING :-) Re: MR2 MKII TURBO TECH: motor cleaning, good and bad results MR2 Mk1: Wiper linkages : Re: "Lotus MR2" (fwd) MR2 MK1 differences Re: MR2 92 MKII Ticking noise Re: MR2 MKII TURBO TECH: motor cleaning, good and bad results MR2 regional info: testing the waters ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Winterrowd, Kirk" Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 04:07:33 -0500 Subject: RE: MR2 Correct Octane fuel for MKI n/a If your car is made for Premium ( high octane) then that is what you should use. If it is made to run on anything less, then you are wasting $$$ using higher octane since the computer is not setup to use it. Kirk - ---------- From: IndianBoy7@aol.com[SMTP:IndianBoy7@aol.com] Sent: Friday, May 02, 1997 1:19 AM To: simont@direct.ca Cc: mr2-interest@validgh.com Subject: Re: MR2 Correct Octane fuel for MKI n/a In a message dated 97-05-02 04:17:35 EDT, you write: << Could someone tell me what is the correct fuel I should use for my 86' MKI n/a, 87 Octane...89, 92 or even higher? >> Well, a Motor Trend article from 1985 on the MK1's says 91 octane...the manual says 87 octane...I just go for the highest..... ------------------------------ From: "Biles, Dustin SrA" Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 08:53:49 -0500 Subject: MR2 RE: rear bearing Bill Lawton wrote: Date: Fri, 02 May 1997 12:19:05 +0100 Subject: MR2: 'Toyota EPC' Program For Toyota's CD's Hi All, If anyone wants a copy of the Toyota EPC Program to access those cool A1 & A2 CD-ROMs, i have a copy on one of my webservers. Mail me and i'll mail back the link + details. rgds mark - -=---=---=---=---=---=---=---=---=---=---=---=---=---=---=---=---=---=---=---=- Definition of Windows95 "Plug 'n Play" - "Plug-in, Play-Up" - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mark 'The Oracle' Nias markn@daneel.demon.co.uk / markn@jsb.co.uk '85 Toyota MR2 (Red/95k Miles) http://www.daneel.demon.co.uk - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Pentium 133 32/850, 4Mb Trio64V+, 4Mb 3Dfx Voodoo, 6X CD-ROM, SoundBlaster Pro Apple LC630 20/350 - Atari TT030 12/540 - Atari VCS2600 - Atari VCS7800 Atari STe 16Mhz+68881 4/212 - Atari JaguarCD - -=---=---=---=---=---=---=---=---=---=---=---=---=---=---=---=---=---=---=---=- ------------------------------ From: Jessica Cord Date: Fri, 02 May 1997 08:42:49 -0500 Subject: MR2 92 MKII Ticking noise Hi, My car is making a light ticking (knocking?) noise somewhere in the back, I can't say for sure which side but I think its coming from the right. It seems to speed up with acceleration,but as the engine speeds up, it drowns out the ticking, So I don't know if it stops or not. I'm stilling waiting on getting my clutch fixed-if this might be connected. Thanks Jessica ------------------------------ From: Robin San Date: Fri, 02 May 1997 19:14:02 +1100 Subject: MR2 MK1: timing adjustment Hi Refering to the timing advance, I heard that the optimum was at 10 degrees BTDC. Now, is 10 BTDC the gap in between the the first 2 notches or the 1st notch or will anywhere inbetween the 2 notches do. Right now I have it on the 1st notch and it seems to be the best compromise, what is everyones view on this??? Please specify if you have a SC. Thanks. Seeya Robin 89 MK1 NA ------------------------------ From: Steve Bagdon Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 11:04:18 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: MR2 MK1: timing adjustment > Refering to the timing advance, I heard that the optimum was at 10 > degrees BTDC. > > Now, is 10 BTDC the gap in between the the first 2 notches or the 1st > notch or will anywhere inbetween the 2 notches do. > > Right now I have it on the 1st notch and it seems to be the best > compromise, what is everyones view on this??? > Please specify if you have a SC. Thanks. For some reason, I seem to remember that it's 5degrees/notch. I though NA and SC were both 10BTDC. Steve B. ------------------------------ From: "William L. Brandt" Date: Fri, 02 May 1997 08:41:56 -0700 Subject: MR2 Mk 1 alternators; stripped spark plug threads? Ade - I went though a lot of , uhhh, trouble when I replaced my alternator a few years ago. Without going through all of THAT I went to a good shop that specialized in alternator rebuilds and if memory serves me right, different years had different amperage requirements. The Bosch alternator that I bought wasn't putting out the amps that my 86 required and the diodes kept going (where I don't know)... Robin - I am almost paranoid when I put spark plugs in aluminum heads, which is almost every car now. I always torque them to specs, although my mechanic friend seems to tighten them like a gorilla with no bad effects. I wonder if the threads are cast iron or something - after all aluminum is very soft. If the worst happened you can have them rethreaded, a process called helicoiling. I don't think the head has to be removed but it isn;t an easy job. I bought this neat little tool from Sears -it looks like a snake - flexible- and one end holds the spark plug while the other end has a knob that turns the plug. You thus get a much better "feel" when the threads catch the plug - - with a regular socket & extension if you force the plug you can cross thread the plug and then you have the trouble. Did your plugs turn fairly freely? Can you still get them tight? If so you are probably OK. I always use a torque wrench when tightening the plugs, and I put a little anti-seize paste on the threads. If you use this (it isn't a requirement) make sure you get some that's compatible with aluminum. Mine is made by Permatex, in a silver tube. Tighten the spark plugs to 18 Nm, or 13 ft lbs... Greta - if you are lurking my mail keeps bouncing back from your wang address (gosh, if I wasn't Internet literate THAT sentence certainly sounds strange...) Bill William L. Brandt wlb@calweb.com Sacramento, CA ------------------------------ From: Jason Pins Date: Fri, 02 May 1997 10:32:19 -0500 Subject: MR2 What's the Number? OK, I'm convinced to buy the two Volume set of service manuals from Toyota Service Publications. I must have missed it, so could someone please provide me with the number for ordering?, Thank You very much. Jason '91 NA ------------------------------ From: Steve Bagdon Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 11:39:38 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: MR2 What's the Number? > OK, I'm convinced to buy the two Volume set of service manuals from > Toyota Service Publications. I must have missed it, so could someone > please provide me with the number for ordering?, Thank You very much. Can *someone* put this on mr2.com?!?! :-) Toyota Publication 800-622-2033 Steve B. ------------------------------ From: aly abulkheir Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 12:19:31 -0400 (EDT) Subject: MR2 POCONO INFO IF YOU'RE NOT AUTOXING :-) Hi All, I wrote to Perry Aidelbaum about where those of us who prefer not to autocross at Pocono, but do want to attend should do before entering the track, and his response is below. I'll ask him more about this "little house" he mentioned, but I'm sure if you just go up to the entrance to the track and ask them where this little house is, they can direct you there. It seems though, that if you arrive before 10am, you can just show up at the track entrance if you're not autocrossing. Please email me or call me if there are any questions about it. Aly AbulKheir '85 MR2, Red with all options abulkh34@matrix.newpaltz.edu (914) 658-9128 > > Hi Aly, well this is what's going on. As you make the left at the large > Pocono Raceway sign , you will continue to drive down and make a right, > like you are about to enter the track, this is Tunnel Rd. The SOLO II > regristration will take place here before entering the track. Reg closes > by 10am, if you arrive after 10am then you must goto a little house > before Tunnel Rd and let them know you are here for the SOLO II event. > Then you will sign a waiver and get a wristband, then you will be able > to enter the track throught Tunnel Rd. You cannot enter the track > without a wristband. Once you enter we will be on the left. As of now we > don't know where parking will be but you won't be able to miss it.. You > may come on Sat to watch if you like, from what I hear there will be > like 100 cars on Sat. > > Do all MR2 Members have an member card of some sort?? > > -- > Perry A > 90 Integra CSP > autoxcsp@usa.net > http://www.castle.net/~autoxcsp > > > ------------------------------ From: D Heath Date: Fri, 02 May 1997 12:38:13 -0400 Subject: Re: MR2 MKII TURBO TECH: motor cleaning, good and bad results Lee, Marcus A. wrote: > > Interesting problem.... > After hosing my 91T motor down it appears that the number 4 four > cylinder, closest to the air filer, is not doing its part in the > combustion chain. My process is as follows, taped the distributor cap to > waterproof it and continued to hose down the motor... Result, clean > motor but a real rough idle and definitely no power... couldn't make it > up a hill in first.... idled for 20minutes to no resolution. Accelerator > no responsive. > > Troubleshooting steps.... > 1. verify that i had spark energy going to each cylinder, pulled plug > wire off each cylinder and watched spark jump. > 2. Check plugs. number four was wet. dried plug and cylinder... test run > for 10 minutes, no change. > 3. Narrow down source.... unplugged each plug wire one at a time.... > removing 1,2,and 3 causes motor to die.... remove four no difference. > swapped plugs between 3 and four. Same symptoms. > 4. Hypothesis? four gets spark but is not igniting mixture or mixture is > not ignitable???? > > any ideas.... if there were water in the motor it would have been blown > out by now. no steam or excessive smoke seen. If there were water in the > intake... why would the issue be narrowed only to the #4 cylinder? > Another point, there appears to be a hissing sound near the throttle > body... found no loose vacuum hoses yet, but why would this only affect > one cylinder... Is there something individual to each cylinder that > could affect fuel or mixture flow???? > > Suggestions. thanks in advance. My guess is that it will resolve itself > in a day or two. Just WHY. > > PS i did cool the motor 30minutes before spraying... wouldn't want a > warped head or cracked turbo. You could try checking the injector connection on the number four injector to make sure it doesn't have any water in it. If not check the resistance of the injector itself. If both check O.K., then you might have to get your hands on a sound scope to see if the number four injector is working. A word of advise, when washing your motor down you should cover all the major sensors, like the Throttle Position Sensor, the Turbo Sensor, Oxygen Sensor (put electrical tape around it), and the Air Flow Meter (I actually remove the whole air filter box with sensor, and cover the hose). None of these sensors like water. However I don't think you have a problem with any of these from the symptoms you described. Dennis. 1990 Toyota Celica GT-Four ------------------------------ From: Interface Analysis Centre Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 17:39:48 BST Subject: MR2 Mk1: Wiper linkages Dear All, This last week, the ball and socket joint between the wiper motor and linkages has decided to keep popping out. Luckily, it's sunny at the moment, but.. 1) Anyone have any nifty ways of holding the two bits together? Toyota, it seems, would only be able to sell me either a complete motor (to include the ball bit), and complete linkages (to include the socket), total cost, somwhere in the region of #350 + VAT, rather than the 20p bit of plastic that is probably just too worn to hold on to the ball well enough. 2) Anyone have any bits of the ball and socket joint spare in their garages? 3) Anyone now of any mk1 MR2 in a scrapyard near Bristol, England? Thankyou, Keith - ---- University of Bristol, Interface Analysis Centre, Oldbury House, 121, St. Michael's Hill, Bristol, BS2 8BS, England Telephone: +44-(0)117-925-5666 | Facsimile: +44-(0)117-925-5646 URL: http://www.phy.bris.ac.uk/research/iac/home.html ------------------------------ From: dyerjoe@juno.com (Joe Dyer) Date: Fri, 02 May 1997 14:50:15 EDT Subject: : Re: "Lotus MR2" (fwd) Here is a reliably accurate reply from the former director of Public Relations, and earlier, an engineer, at Lotus. Joe Dyer SF Bay Area '92 MR2 Turbo - --------- Begin forwarded message ---------- Hi Joe Sorry for the delay in replying - I've been out of town for a while and don't carry a laptop! Mark Winston (as usual) is just about on the button with his comments on the MR2. Lotus (Roger Becker) did a lot of work in Japan with Toyota on ride & handling work, and actually set up a number of MR2 prototypes for them. It was almost a training programme for them, as we had (a little!) more experience in mid-engined sports cars than they did at that time. However, the production spec. was finalised by Toyota themselves, rather than being done by Lotus. So you could say Lotus had a hand in it, but were not ultimately responsible for the finished product. Cheers, Patrick Peel ------------------------------ From: mmccrist@cln.etc.bc.ca (Marion McCristall) Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 11:59:11 -0800 Subject: MR2 MK1 differences As far as I can tell all canadian MK1 engines that I have seen are a kind os tan/sandy color. This is the case in about 15 for sure of all ages including a couple of SC 88's. I've heard of this Blue top Red Top thing but is it only the valve covers that are that way? My old engine os the tan color I've mentiones but my NEW (never used) engine was powdercated Blue and cromed as well as having the outer block polished. Are their any other ways to tell which engine you have other than the color. What do other canadian owners have any blus or reds ? Later, Dave McCristall 86 Mr2 149,000km Vancouver British Columbia, Canada Telephone 604 533-7998 ------------------------------ From: Jayson Entao Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 12:33:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: MR2 92 MKII Ticking noise On Fri, 2 May 1997, Jessica Cord wrote: [...] > My car is making a light ticking (knocking?) noise somewhere in the > back, I can't say for sure which side but I think its coming from the > right. It seems to speed up with acceleration,but as the engine speeds [...] Perhaps it's just the fuel injectors, every EFI car I've worked on has this sound. Another possiblity is the valvetrain. -Jayson Jayson Entao _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/__/__/___/___/_____/______/_______/ jayson@ucdavis.edu _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/__/__/___/___/_____/______/_______/ http://www.engr.ucdavis.edu/~jmentao/__/__/___/___/_____/______/_______/ ------------------------------ From: Kevin Valentine Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 12:40:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: MR2 MKII TURBO TECH: motor cleaning, good and bad results I think you are correct in your assumption that it will clear up on its own. This has happened to me before but on a mk1 and mine is really susceptible to getting water in through the plugs. Had to replace with fresh plugs and then let sit overnight and all was cured. ------------------------------ From: "Ron O'Neill" Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 14:44:19 -0500 () Subject: MR2 regional info: testing the waters Shawn Gordon and I have been discussing the possible upcoming Texas Rally (along with numerous other subjects) on #MR2 and have been tossing around an idea: We'd like to do a page for mr2.com that has regional info pertaining to Texas. Specifically: Rally info, recommended parts suppliers and mechanics, etc... (and anything anybody else can think of.) We're wondering if anybody out there would be interested in such a thing-- of course, if anybody would be willing to help, if Geoff Seeley might be generous enough to donate some web real-estate, etc... If anybody has any comments on this please let me know either through the digest or personal e-mail. Ron O'Neill roneill@eden.com '91 NA 87,000 mi ------------------------------ End of mr2-digest V1 #1054