mr2-digest Friday, 8 August 1997 Volume 01 : Number 1439 RE: MR2 MKII clear side markers RE: MR2 MK1 rusty wiper arms + deck lid cable MR2 WSCC Pictures MR2: Images from Toyota's CD-ROM's RE: MR2 NEW HORROR STORY(UGGGHH!!) Re: MR2 MKII clear side markers RE: MR2: Images from Toyota's CD-ROM's MR2 happy ending?? MR2 MKII Headlight MOD MR2 picture questions MR2 accident... Re: MR2 picture questions (NON MR2 content) MR2 Roger's side light; interference engines MR2 Fwd pt2: 7A-FE/4A-GE Hybrid motor ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Hank Wallace Date: Fri, 8 Aug 1997 12:12:40 -0400 Subject: RE: MR2 MKII clear side markers Austin, Would this be something to do INSTEAD of the marker installation that you send mail about yesterday? With the markers and a molding replacement, you wouldn't need clear side markers, right? Hank 93 MR2 NA On Thursday, August 07, 1997 5:25 PM, MR2Turbo91@aol.com [SMTP:MR2Turbo91@aol.com] wrote: > In a message dated 97-08-07 12:12:08 EDT, you write: > > << Greetings, > I recently installed clear corners on my two and they look great. Now, > I'm wondering if anyone has come across clear front side markers, the > little narrow strip that fits into the moulding track next to the corner > lens. With the clear corners it sure would be nice to have the side > markers clear too. > > Any ideas? Maybe another Japan item? > -- > Phil Cutajar > 93 MR2-T, Arctic White > mailto:Solo2_MR2@ibm.net > >> > > > I've seen these in HyperRev, Im sure Tony can get them for us. Can you Tony? > > If you want, I'll include it with the next clear corner shipment > > Austin T > ------------------------------ From: "Alex Gibson" Date: Fri, 8 Aug 1997 11:13:37 -0500 Subject: RE: MR2 MK1 rusty wiper arms + deck lid cable I had the same situation with my MKII and found the cost of the replacement arm was $15US. Seemed like a simple, longer term solution than repaint. > Has anyone had any experience sanding and painting the wiper arms. >Mine are all rusty as all of them seem to be. I would probably do a Krylon >spray can prime and paint job. Anybody know if this will last or will they >look like Yugo parts again in three months. If thats the case I will just >leave them be. What was that quote from a month or so ago, 'If its broke, >deal with it, if it works fine, modify it.' or something like that. Alex I. Gibson '91 NA 64k Unrusty wiper arms Craftsman locking pliers Pine tree air freshener Empty box of Kleenex email gibsona@rocketmail.com ------------------------------ From: Scott McBurney Date: Fri, 8 Aug 1997 11:14:56 -0500 Subject: MR2 WSCC Pictures For those of you that enjoy looking at pictures, I have scanned a number of additional pictures from the Wisconsin Sports Car & GT Classic that I attended in June. I will also be scanning more this weekend and uploading them monday. Check out my web pages if you are interested. Scott McBurney email: mr2_man@compuserve.com web: http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/mr2_man 1991 MR2 Automatic, 168,000 miles License: QUIK MR 2 1989 MR2 Supercharged, 65,000 miles License: QUIK SC 2 ------------------------------ From: Mark Nias Date: Fri, 08 Aug 1997 17:10:21 +0100 Subject: MR2: Images from Toyota's CD-ROM's Hi everyone... i've been musing over the idea of grabbing the images from the Toyota CD-ROM's, to make them available to anyone. So far i've managed to grab all the images for the UK Mk1 Coupe with manual tranny, there are around 160 to 200 images (1Bit GIF's) totaling 4.5Mb. It's taken me a couple of nights to get the images, and it'll take a while to write some HTML front-end for it all (yes you'll need a web browser to use it), but it could also be either based on the web or locally on your own PC. What they show is basically what i suspect you get on a microfiche, but you don't get part numbers (i'll explain later). You get expoded diagrams of all parts down to what Toyota call a 'Sub-Assembly' level which is the smallest part they can order... for example an oil pump is a sub-assembly, you can't buy parts that are inside it. I can send you a sample image if u like. So what's the benefit of these images? well for starters you can see what everything does & where it goes. It also gives you Toyota's 'PNC' number: A PNC (Part Number Code) is like a part number, but it isn't model specific. For example, a rotor arm will always have the PNC of say 02114, the CD-ROM software translates this, using your VIN into a part number which might look like 02114-25541. Which means you'll be able to march into your dealership armed with your PNC and your VIN and wave it under the nose of whoever is behind the counter and he can get you the part number and order the (exact) part that you wanted. so... would there be a demand for this?? questions?? comments?? kind regards mark - -=---=---=---=---=---=---=---=---=---=---=---=---=---=---=---=---=---=---=---=- PC Without Windows Instaled=Junk - PC With Windows Installed=Unstable Junk - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mark 'The Oracle' Nias markn@daneel.demon.co.uk / markn@jsb.co.uk 1985 Toyota MR2 (Red/K&N 57i/Lowered 25mm/KYB Shocks) http://www.daneel.demon.co.uk - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Pentium 133 32/850, 4Mb Trio64V+, 4Mb 3Dfx Voodoo, 6X CD-ROM, SoundBlaster Pro Apple LC630 20/350 - Atari TT030 12/540 - Atari VCS2600 - Atari VCS7800 Atari STe 16Mhz+68881 4/212 - Atari JaguarCD - Realistic Pro-26 Scanner - -=---=---=---=---=---=---=---=---=---=---=---=---=---=---=---=---=---=---=---=- ------------------------------ From: Hank Wallace Date: Fri, 8 Aug 1997 12:17:43 -0400 Subject: RE: MR2 NEW HORROR STORY(UGGGHH!!) Jeff, Sorry to hear that. You must have some kind of accident magnet in your trunk! :) This morning when I washed my car I noticed a new scratch on the rear bumper that goes through to the yellow junk. Argh! Hank 93 black NA On Friday, August 08, 1997 5:16 AM, Ardell L. Simon [SMTP:rals@ptd.net] wrote: > So I'm out with a friend and we are just sitting in a diner chatting. > Seemingly harmless enough. My new 93T is parked at the end of the lot so > as to be out of harms way....right??? > As life would have it a domestic argument occurs in the diner and the 'take > it outside'. He screams, she screams. He gets into his 83 firebird puts > it into reverse, and 'shows her' by punching gas and letting the car rip > backwards right into..... > > So now my front passenger turn signal is Fu@#$ed up and the bumber is > scratched with a small dent the size of a 1/2 dollar. > > MY CAR WAS PARKED IN 1st GEAR WITH THE E-BRAKE ON. The car was pushed back > about 2 feet!!!! What damage should I look for having the car forced > backward parked in this situation???? > > So I opted for calling the Police and filing a report. He really really > wants to take care of it away from insurance. ANYWAY you look at it this > is a big inconveniece to me. I'm P.O.-ed. > > It doesn't pay to have nice things. So much stress. I'm so angry. > > Thanks for listening. > > Jeff > > ------------------------------ From: Phil Cutajar Date: Fri, 08 Aug 1997 12:22:36 -0400 Subject: Re: MR2 MKII clear side markers Hank Wallace wrote: > > Austin, > > Would this be something to do INSTEAD of the marker installation that you > send mail about yesterday? With the markers and a molding replacement, you > wouldn't need clear side markers, right? > > Hank > 93 MR2 NA > > On Thursday, August 07, 1997 5:25 PM, MR2Turbo91@aol.com > [SMTP:MR2Turbo91@aol.com] wrote: > > In a message dated 97-08-07 12:12:08 EDT, you write: > > > > << Greetings, > > I recently installed clear corners on my two and they look great. Now, > > I'm wondering if anyone has come across clear front side markers, the > > little narrow strip that fits into the moulding track next to the corner > > lens. With the clear corners it sure would be nice to have the side > > markers clear too. > > > > Any ideas? Maybe another Japan item? > > -- > > Phil Cutajar > > 93 MR2-T, Arctic White > > mailto:Solo2_MR2@ibm.net > > >> > > > > > > I've seen these in HyperRev, Im sure Tony can get them for us. Can you > Tony? > > > > If you want, I'll include it with the next clear corner shipment > > > > Austin T > > Well, for some the japanese markers high on the fender is one way to go. But for me, I'd much rather have the clear side marker in the stock (US) location. With the white paint, silver moulding, and clear corners it would look better (IMHO). I wonder if the Hyper Rev picture is just a touchup or if the lenses actually exist? It would be great if we all had the option to choose from one or the other. - -- Phil Cutajar 93 MR2-T, Arctic White w/clear corners & amber side markers mailto:Solo2_MR2@ibm.net ------------------------------ From: Hank Wallace Date: Fri, 8 Aug 1997 12:57:32 -0400 Subject: RE: MR2: Images from Toyota's CD-ROM's Mark, Excellent. I am interested in the MkII's, do you have the CD-ROM for that? Hank On Friday, August 08, 1997 12:10 PM, Mark Nias [SMTP:markn@jsb.co.uk] wrote: > > Hi everyone... > > i've been musing over the idea of grabbing the images from the Toyota > CD-ROM's, to make them available to anyone. > > So far i've managed to grab all the images for the UK Mk1 Coupe with manual > tranny, there are around 160 to 200 images (1Bit GIF's) totaling 4.5Mb. > > It's taken me a couple of nights to get the images, and it'll take a while > to write some HTML front-end for it all (yes you'll need a web browser to > use it), but it could also be either based on the web or locally on your own PC. > > What they show is basically what i suspect you get on a microfiche, but you > don't get part numbers (i'll explain later). You get expoded diagrams of all > parts down to what Toyota call a 'Sub-Assembly' level which is the smallest > part they can order... for example an oil pump is a sub-assembly, you can't > buy parts that are inside it. I can send you a sample image if u like. > > So what's the benefit of these images? > > well for starters you can see what everything does & where it goes. It also > gives you Toyota's 'PNC' number: > > A PNC (Part Number Code) is like a part number, but it isn't model specific. > For example, a rotor arm will always have the PNC of say 02114, the CD-ROM > software translates this, using your VIN into a part number which might look > like 02114-25541. > > Which means you'll be able to march into your dealership armed with your PNC > and your VIN and wave it under the nose of whoever is behind the counter and > he can get you the part number and order the (exact) part that you wanted. > > so... would there be a demand for this?? > > questions?? comments?? > > kind regards > > mark > -=---=---=---=---=---=---=---=---=---=---=---=---=---=---=---=---=---=---=---=- > PC Without Windows Instaled=Junk - PC With Windows Installed=Unstable Junk > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Mark 'The Oracle' Nias markn@daneel.demon.co.uk / markn@jsb.co.uk > 1985 Toyota MR2 (Red/K&N 57i/Lowered 25mm/KYB Shocks) > http://www.daneel.demon.co.uk > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Pentium 133 32/850, 4Mb Trio64V+, 4Mb 3Dfx Voodoo, 6X CD-ROM, SoundBlaster Pro > Apple LC630 20/350 - Atari TT030 12/540 - Atari VCS2600 - Atari VCS7800 > Atari STe 16Mhz+68881 4/212 - Atari JaguarCD - Realistic Pro-26 Scanner > -=---=---=---=---=---=---=---=---=---=---=---=---=---=---=---=---=---=---=---=- > ------------------------------ From: ClarkAttack Date: Fri, 08 Aug 1997 13:16:58 -0400 Subject: MR2 happy ending?? For those of you who are curious as to how my Toyota dealership horror story turned out....here's the conclusion: I got a call Wednesday afternoon around 3:30 (they said it'd be finished lunchtime) saying that my car was back at the dealer and I could pick it up. 5:00 I headed over there and they had it inside so I could take a good look at it. I have to say it does look good. Not as good as if it had been repainted (apparently the body shop opted to compound out the scratches), but most of the marks that were visible are gone (except for one or two deeper scratches that probably only I can see, since I know where they were). Plus, the exterior of the car was cleaned (they did miss a few grease splotches) and looked GOOD. I was a little PO'ed when I opened up the driver's door and saw the carpet had not been cleaned. When the assistant service manager came over and asked what I thought, I pointed out that the interior hadn't been done. That pissed him off, because apparently he paid the body shop to do it, and they didn't (or so he said). He got one of his service techs to clean it right then, and to my surprise, all the grease came out. Lucky for them. They gave me the EGR tube (and all necessary misc. parts) for Joel to install it himself, and sent me on my way with a handshake and a "If we can ever be of service to you in the future, let us know." We both knew I wouldn't be back. Overall, I don't think they did a perfect job in fixing their mistakes, and I don't buy that load of crap about the 51 miles they put on the car.... but at this point, I'm ready to wash my hands of the whole episode. My car's back in my driveway, looking 99% as good as it did before, and while their treatment of me leaves something to be desired, I'm sick of dealing with them. I want to thank all of you who offered me sympathy, moral support, ideas and suggestions. Maybe to other people, "it's just a car", but I know all of you understand that's not quite how we feel about our MR2s. Thanks again. Michelle 93T ------------------------------ From: 932924N@knotes.kodak.com Date: Fri, 8 Aug 1997 13:29:53 -0400 Subject: MR2 MKII Headlight MOD From: Aiman J. Al-Khazaali You are ALL going to love this one. Has anyone considered doing a HEADlight modification to their MRII/MKII? I personally think the damn things stick up too high when deployed. I have been inside the housing, and think that if you use a diffrent style headlight/housing If using these tiny lights and using a mount for those lights, one could change the distance the retractor travels up, since the retractor would only have to rise a few inches, instead of rotate halfway around. Doing this would create a much sleeker looking, and more aerodynamic set of lights. Email or post your answers, replies, comments or conclusions, I'd be happy to hear them! Kind Regards, Aiman Al-Khazaali Sys-Admin, Eastman Kodak E-Mail: 932924N@knotes.kodak.com Vehicles: White 87/NA Red 91 Turbo ------------------------------ From: Steve Bagdon Date: Fri, 08 Aug 1997 13:30:01 -0400 Subject: MR2 picture questions If I had a .bmp or .tif file, which would be most efficienty converted to .gif (in accordance with picture quality, not file size). This relates to scanning some fiche pages. Thanks! Steve B. ------------------------------ From: "Mike Reynolds" Date: Fri, 8 Aug 1997 13:59:17 -0400 Subject: MR2 accident... Jeff: I am sorry to hear about your misfortune. It seems like no matter how hard you try to keep your car out of harm's way, it still seems to find it. BTW, I hope his '83 Firebird had some damage inflicted upon it as well. I would check under the car and see if you can find any bent mounting brackets to the bumper and fender. Also, check the inside bulk head and make sure that there is no damage to it (bends, creases, etc.) The bulk head probably wasn't hurt, especially if your hood opens and closes properly. It wouldn't hurt to check the operation of your headlights, to make sure that nothing is interfering with their operation either. Drive the car and make sure that your transmission and clutch still work properly. Also, make sure that the two foot drag did not "flat spot" your tires. If this had happened to me, I would still try to go through the insurance company. Due to the driver's temperament and age of his car, he might welch on paying you the correct amount for the damages to your 2. Also, a good insurance adjuster will also examine your car thoroughly and log all of the damages to your car. If the adjuster happens to miss something, it can be corrected later and still covered under the settlement. Just my opinion. I hope that your damage is minimal, and that you can get your MR2 back on the road A.S.A.P. Good luck! Michael Reynolds '91 MR2 Turbo - 72K miles ------------------------------ From: Mark Sink Date: Fri, 8 Aug 1997 11:25:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: MR2 picture questions (NON MR2 content) Gif is a "loss-less" compression, as compared to a JPG which is "lossy" When you convert to a GIF, there will be NO loss of quality, regardless of what format it is being converted from. Except that GIF is only 8-bit, so you may lose colors. So wether you have a BMP or a TIF, when converted to GIF, they should both look the same, and be of the same size. Does this answer the question? BTW, I am a bit surprised at your recent questions about HTML, and images that only you are able to get away with when posting to this list. Is there a double standard going on? The moderator, and the rest of us? I can't imagine you allowing the other members to post such questions to the list. Mark Sink === Mark Sink http://toy4two.home.mindspring.com/ '87 MR2 / '93 MR2 Turbo - ---Steve Bagdon wrote: > > If I had a .bmp or .tif file, which would be most efficienty converted > to .gif (in accordance with picture quality, not file size). This > relates to scanning some fiche pages. Thanks! > > Steve B. > _____________________________________________________________________ Sent by RocketMail. Get your free e-mail at http://www.rocketmail.com ------------------------------ From: william brandt Date: Fri, 08 Aug 1997 11:37:01 -0700 Subject: MR2 Roger's side light; interference engines Roger, I replaced the light on the left back and as I recall (car has been at Cary's for a month now) there were 2 screws then it was a bit of work to pop it out. If the front doesn't have screws, I'd say that the bulb is accessed from the inside - I'll see if I can find it in one of my manuals tonight. Incidently the bulb is funny looking - definately a Toyota dealer bulb. At the time I replaced mine I decided to just get 4. Well it is enought of a PITA that 3 are sitting in the bag still so if you say "please" I'll send you one...One thing for sure - do not try & pop it out without seeing what is retaining it. Glenn - I don't doubt Alldata - just repeated what Cary told me. Seems very much unlike Toyota to have an interference engine... Bill William L. Brandt wbco@speedlink.com Sacramento, CA ------------------------------ From: atasi@Prometric.com Date: Fri, 8 Aug 1997 13:43:43 -0500 Subject: MR2 Fwd pt2: 7A-FE/4A-GE Hybrid motor Mr Timbrell was kind enough to send me an update on this little project, so I thought I'd pass it along... Andrew P. Tasi To: Andrew P. Tasi/Sylvan Learning Systems/US cc: toyota-mods@cyberauto.com Subject: Re: 7A-FE/4A-GE Hybrid motor Hi, I think it would be good if I gave you a little update on this conversion. My previous car experience was zero. My mechanic friend had zero Toyota engine experience. The external help I got for the job was the engine, gearbox, adjustable pulleys, timing belt (I still don't know what exact car it came from though it was suggested on the mailing list it was a Porsche 924 belt ?) and the assurance that it was easy and had been done once before. So armed with the above we completed the conversion in about 10 working days (taking things slowly). The 7A block takes the 4AGE 16V head (88/89 TVIS) easily only mods needed were to match cooling holes in the head gasket. I transferred the 4AGE pistons to keep high compression and swirl chamber shape similar but you don't need to. Though I did use the 7AFE gear box it is exactly the same box as the 4AGE but only had 9000 miles on it. You could use standard cam pulleys and try to use 4AGE timing marks. However the new engine has a different bore/stroke ratio. Things just generally happen lower down the rev. range and so CAM timing needs optimising. Potential pitfalls are listed below ..... 1. No guarantee that all 4AGE engines are the same, especially later revisions. 2. On my engine the power steering pump only attaches with 2 bolts not 3 as originally and is showing some loss of power possibly just high mileage but could be excessive vibration. 3. The TVIS system is a restriction as it opens at a certain point in the rev. range probably too high for the 1800cc engine, could be re-programmed with after market ECU 4. You need a knowledgeable garage with a rolling road to get the CAM timing right. I'm still playing with it now. Though the above issues might put you off the conversion you must realise that it's effectively a new engine being created. So you won't have any definite figures to refer to and must allow time for development. My solution for some of the niggles is a little extreme but I'm also trying to create an almost unique Corolla AE92 (FX16). In the next couple of weeks I'm converting to twin Dellorto (extremely cheap find) carbs which gets by the TVIS inlet system restrictions. I'm grafting a Suburu turbo bonnet scoop to an air box to get plenty of cool air and a little ram-air effect. Dropping the Toyota ECU completely and using a 3rd party management system to get full control of ignition and timing. I've been offered a new 6 speed box from the new Corolla G6 (European name) but its a little bit too expensive at the moment so I've decide to source an LSD transmission, gearbox and drive shafts from a supercharged MR2 MK1. Celica seats are going in because they grip better while cornering. I've already beefed up the engine mounts by grafting 2 litre mounts in (TRD stuff too harsh). I think the above should make quite an interesting car. What do you think. Any suggestions ? JUSTIN jtimbrel@qatraining.com PS. If you can get FAST CAR (UK) magazine in the next couple of months then you'll see my Friends (Adrian from Fensport) custom Corolla AE102. He's fitted a Seintz GT4 ST185/3SGTE 2 litre turbo. Own custom suspension setup. MR2 Turbo LSD transmission/gearbox. Drive shafts custom from Toyota team europe (nice to have contacts). Engine is flowed but basically stock. 240-280 BHP on sensible boost. Anti-lag system. Motec fully programmable engine management. His next step is drop in the ST205 2 litre turbo engine when he can find time. ------------------------------ End of mr2-digest V1 #1439