mr2-digest Wednesday, 10 September 1997 Volume 01 : Number 1580 Re: 92' MR2 NA VS Laser RS MR2 Me llamo "Stabba!" Re: MR2 Mk1 SC: Questions / Help (Long) Re: MK1 MR2 history [none] MR2 ProSolo2 Finals Results MR2 Re: mr2-digest V1 #1578s[D MR2 new toyota-usa convertable; mr2map MR2 MKll Turbo Genie Exhaust Question MR2 RE: twincharging crap... MR2 [Fwd: Re: O2 sensor output] Re: MR2 Re: mr2-digest V1 #1570 MR2 Aeroware kit MR2 Greddy Profec reprogramming MR2 MKII SC ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: AkTiF8@aol.com Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 16:52:07 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: 92' MR2 NA VS Laser RS In a message dated 97-09-10 13:12:15 EDT, you write: << I normally do not drag race, I like the twisties! There are much better cars for drag racing, but I had a Laser RS >> I could be completely wrong on this...but a few months ago, I was looking to buy a 94 eclipse....the models are RS, GS, and GS-X, in ascending order.... after driving the RS, I thought it was a decent ride...if somewhat tinny and weak. I was floored when I later found out that it only has 92 horsepower, and a single overhead cam. why did they even bother? any mr2 ever made could eat these for breakfast. - --kj 91 MKII NA red ------------------------------ From: stabba@ix.netcom.com (Bryan Caldwell) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 15:52:01 -0500 (CDT) Subject: MR2 Me llamo "Stabba!" Mi espanol es muy pobre! Well, I think the best compromise to our multi-lingual issue is: if you don't know the "english" term for a certain part, do the best you can. Even within the english speaking world there are many terms for the same thing (spanner, wrench) and even in the US I often inquire about parts that recieve a blank stare from the counter help (Oh! you mean a FRONT timing cover gasket!) Also, don't believe that english is the only language, it is simply a common language so that we can communicate. If you have friends that want to ask questions but don't speak (or write) English, translate the best you can. We can probably guess what you mean from context. MR2 content: Mi MR2 es muy rojo! - -stabba ------------------------------ From: Tony McDaid Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 06:39:51 +0000 Subject: Re: MR2 Mk1 SC: Questions / Help (Long) Hi, > beefier tires (195/50 15's Bridgestone G'Grip (..or G something anyway) all > round) They would be G-Grid, OK tyres I think. > 5: Manuals > Can anyone get me the workshop manuals for the (my) Japanese model or part > numbers for them?... or will it all be in Japanese?? As far as I know the manuals over here are all in Japanese- why would they need them in English? > 8: Pling plong? > Do all Japanese mr2's have that stupid 'pling-plong' 60mph (ish) warning > pinger thing.... god that is soooo annoying, mine is no-longer fitted :-) No ALL Japanese cars have them! It's to tell you that you are going at the speed limit (on the expressway anyway as the limit on other roads is half that), it's the first thing I remove:-) Later - -- Tony McDaid tony@akina.or.jp http://www.akina.or.jp/~tony/ `89 MkII Turbo T-Bar ------------------------------ From: Malcolm Cambridge Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 10:21:09 +1200 Subject: Re: MK1 MR2 history Hi there, > From: "Ramzi" > > Also, some info I have on the history of the Mr2. I took a class at the > Pasadena Art Center for auto design and i was told by several people there > that the MR2 was designed by students and teachers at the school back in > 84-85. Well it's an interesting story but I'm a little bit sceptical. My MR2 was made in July '84 so I hope that Toyota weren't still designing it in '85 ! It certainly doesn't inspire confidence if they were. I've also got a couple of pictures of the SV-3 which was the MR2 prototype from '83 and it looks identical to an MR2. The only differences I can see between the SV-3 and the early MR2s are that the SV-3 had a digital speedo (yuck), an intercom system mounted in the headrests and a different rear spoiler (it slopes downwards at the sides). The SV-3 also had a targa top which wasn't released until later. If the Pasadena Art Center did have some input in the MR2 then it may have been the styling changes we saw in '86-'87 (different front air dam, side air intake, tail lights etc.) or perhaps they were consulted as to what body kit options the US cars would come with. If any of you have read the 'Brooklands' book with all the road tests in it, then you may remember reading some US journalists first impressions of the MR2 in Japan. He mentioned that the rear spoiler was unlikely to be offered in the US.... but it was. > So from what i have gathered & learned so far on the first > generation MR2, its exterior design is American with a British (Lotus) > suspension and Japanese engine and tranny. Cool ! The suspension is almost straight out of the Corolla, Lotus just helped with some of the finer details.... spring rates etc Malcolm. ------------------------------ From: marcus@illusion.magicno.com Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 11:55 MDT Subject: [none] >... I forgot to ask how >difficult it is to put on and take off. Can anyone that has one for their >mkii tell me how long it takes to put on and take off and also whether you >need more than one person to put it on. Thanks in advance. If you ordered an Evolution IV cover, then you will probably get the same cover that I have, although I did order it from another company. I have found the cover to be quite easy to put on and take off, takes less than a minute for either. In windy conditions, or if it rained or snowed during the day (at work), it can be a little more difficult. I will describe what I have found to work for me in taking the cover off, since putting it on is much more obvious (and simply the reverse of these steps): First, take the back of the cover out from under the rear bumper and fold this over the front. The fold shuold fall just behind the side mirrors. Next, take the front out from under the front bumper. The cover is now being held by the mirror pockets only. Now, on the downwind side, slide the mirror pocket off the mirror. Fold this side up to the center of the car. Fold it in half again the same way. Go around to the other side and repeat (holding the cover down as necessary to prevent it being blown around too much by any wind present). Now fold the entire cover in half along the centerline. You should now have the cover in a pile about 1/2 the length and 1/8 the width of the cover. I fold this into thirds, which gives me a comfortable size to toss into the trunk. To put the cover on, I set the cover on the front trunk, unfold the thirds, unfold the last 1/2 folding, take the near side and slip the mirror pocket over the mirror (it unfolds itself in the process), go around to the other side and repeat, hook the front under the bumper, then bring the rear back over the car (making sure it doesn't get caught up on the mirrors) and slip it under the rear bumper. marcus hall ------------------------------ From: Magnus Lindgren Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 16:49:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: MR2 ProSolo2 Finals Results (finally) The individual classes from this weekends ProSolo2 Finals. A-Stock 1: Jeff Reitmeir 89 Porsche 944 S2 52.533 2: Carter Thompson 91 MR2 Turbo 52.669 3: Andy Bettencourt 95 BMW M3 52.77 | 6: Takahisa Aono 93 MR2 Turbo 53.842 | 8: Jim Thompson 91 MR2 Turbo 54.034 | 13: Bill Stockton 91 MR2 Turbo 55.158 14: Mark Shehan 91 MR2 Turbo 55.234 C-Stock 1: Kevin Bailey 91 MR2 53.099 2: Tim Aro 88 Porsche 924S 53.438 3: Mark Allen 91 MR2 54.213 4: Randy Chase 91 MR2 54.66 | 8: Richard Williams 91 MR2 56.673 Ladies Class 1: Danielle Engstrom 92 Red Devil 43.707 2: Kay Bailey 91 MR2 43.829 3: Teresa Lommatzsch 95 Miata 44.103 Our little car is doing very well in each of its classes, you should all go out and try an Autocross to get the feel of it. (It's fun, safe and a good way of learning the limits of your car!) Have fun! _____________________________________________________________________ Magnus Lindgren 91 MR2 NA (Cal. Club #311) magnus@continuus.com www.geocities.com/MotorCity/4114/home.html ------------------------------ From: Matt Hoekstra Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 16:59:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: MR2 Re: mr2-digest V1 #1578s[D Could the owner of the list unsub me by hand? I'm still getting digests. Thanks. - -- matt hoekstra vancouver/bc, canada (mhoekstr@hyperdream.com) ------------------------------ From: "bob rogers" Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 20:35:41 -0400 Subject: MR2 new toyota-usa convertable; mr2map toyota motor sales north america sent me a nice brochure with this photo. http://members.carol.net/~bob/toyota.gif about 100k nothing else was said, except that it will be the 7th toyota usa model. if you're interested, look quick, because i'm going to delete it soon. ----- also, the first version of mr2 map is online http://members.carol.net/~bob/mr2map.gif thanks to those who participated. this map only covers the usa, i only used the 4 most common colors, and i don't have mr2 icons to represent the cars yet. if you didn't participate and want to, you can, but not right now -- i'm sort of busy. if you don't have web, i'd be happy to e-mail the file. it's 13k an idea i've come up with is hotlinks between the map and the who's who page on mr2.com. although there aren't enough cars to draw conclusions, i see a definite correlation between color and location. ---------- bob rogers: anderson, south carolina 93NA 89,000 miles, foam air-filter http://members.carol.net/~bob/home.htm < photo homepage bob@carol.net ------------------------------ From: Ace123JIM@aol.com Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 21:16:09 -0400 (EDT) Subject: MR2 MKll Turbo Genie Exhaust Question The Genie exhaust is a cat back unit, made in Australia. It looks alot like the stock system except the tips are removable and larger. The pipes and center section are stainless. The sound produced is slightly deeper and it has more resonance. It mounts much like stock except there is no mount in the middle of the center section, as on the stock muffler. A good price for one would be around $500. There is a distributor in Miami, FL, Select Sales Racing. It's a well built unit with a good price. I am running one on my 93T. Jim Griffin 93T Black (waiting on all the custom fabricated turbo parts to come back from Jet Hot; big plans this weekend!) ------------------------------ From: Greg Wong Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 18:12:11 -0700 Subject: MR2 RE: twincharging crap... Well Matt, I sure hope you get those 300 horses. You sure put in enough = time and money! For the mkII, you would need to have the sc plumbed in. No easy task = there. I have read about a electronic SC that is inserted between your = intake and your airflow meter. It will give you 5 lbs of instant boost. = This would be VERY easy to install. You could throw a huge turbo on in = place of the stock one, and the sc would get rid of any lag. =20 An electronic SC is exactly what I was thinking about! I didn't know = that they exist. Do you have any information on performance, price, = installation, etc? TIA - -Greg 91T=20 ------------------------------ From: John O Hornfeck Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 21:43:50 -0700 Subject: MR2 [Fwd: Re: O2 sensor output] This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --------------4D1C106F16EB Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Here's a timely addition to our o2 sensor discussion. - --------------4D1C106F16EB Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Received: from coulomb.eng.ohio-state.edu(128.146.90.150) by mailgate32-hme2 via smap (KC5.24) id Q_10.1.1.26/Q_21422_1_3416cc10; Wed Sep 10 09:34:24 1997 Received: by coulomb.eng.ohio-state.edu (940816.SGI.8.6.9/940406.SGI) for diy_efi-outgoing id PAA08385; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 15:13:57 GMT Received: from ns.espmail.com by coulomb.eng.ohio-state.edu via ESMTP (940816.SGI.8.6.9/940406.SGI) for id LAA08380; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 11:13:54 -0400 Received: from mailserver.mail1.com ([209.1.5.11]) by ns.espmail.com (post.office MTA v2.0 0813 ID# 0-28857U60) with SMTP id AAC233 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 08:13:45 -0700 Received: from ccMail by mailserver.mail1.com (IMA Internet Exchange 2.1 Enterprise) id 00096690; Wed, 10 Sep 97 08:12:49 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 08:05:38 -0700 Message-ID: <00096690.3146@telerobot.com> From: michaels@telerobot.com (Michael Skolones) To: diy_efi@coulomb.eng.ohio-state.edu Subject: Re: O2 sensor output Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="IMA.Boundary.963409378" Sender: owner-diy_efi@coulomb.eng.ohio-state.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@coulomb.eng.ohio-state.edu - --IMA.Boundary.963409378 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part For the typical, less expensive (lambda=1 setting) sensor the value at stoich is not well defined. The O2 sensor acts somewhat like a two-position switch: for lean mixtures the output is low (~0.1 V), for rich mixtures it is high (~0.8 V), but the slope of the V vs lambda curve is very steep around the stoich point where lambda=1. The ECU's job is to vary the mixture such that the O2 sensor ouput bounces back and forth regularly between these two values. I suppose you could use the average of the low and high readings from your sensor as a "perfect mixture" reading, but I doubt you'll be able to get your FI system to stay exactly at this mixture setting. The newer, more expensive sensors (around US $300 and up) have a more spread-out curve, and the numerical values of the sensor output are useful. The output value at stoich for these sensors depends on the individual sensor model, though lambda=1.2 is common (I think. Don't have one, so I'm not sure) Mike Skolones ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: O2 sensor output Author: diy_efi@coulomb.eng.ohio-state.edu at Internet Date: 9/10/97 4:22 AM Can anyone tell me what it's the output of an O2 sensor ( it's any diference between type ?) on perfect mixture ? Alex http://home.onestop.net/nalex ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - --IMA.Boundary.963409378 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; name="RFC822 message headers" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Content-Disposition: inline; filename="RFC822 message headers" Received: from coulomb.eng.ohio-state.edu (128.146.90.150) by mailserver.mail1.com with SMTP (IMA Internet Exchange 2.1 Enterprise) id 000964E3; Wed, 10 Sep 97 05:36:30 - -0700 Received: by coulomb.eng.ohio-state.edu (940816.SGI.8.6.9/940406.SGI) for diy_efi-outgoing id LAA02356; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 11:21:33 GMT Received: from hotmail.com by coulomb.eng.ohio-state.edu via SMTP (940816.SGI.8.6.9/940406.SGI) for id HAA02351; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 07:21:31 - -0400 Received: (qmail 7157 invoked by uid 0); 10 Sep 1997 11:22:04 -0000 Message-ID: <19970910112204.7156.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 161.142.213.191 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 04:22:03 PDT X-Originating-IP: [161.142.213.191] From: "alex nicu" To: diy_efi@coulomb.eng.ohio-state.edu Subject: O2 sensor output Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 04:22:03 PDT Sender: owner-diy_efi@coulomb.eng.ohio-state.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: diy_efi@coulomb.eng.ohio-state.edu - --IMA.Boundary.963409378-- - --------------4D1C106F16EB-- ------------------------------ From: John O Hornfeck Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 21:47:14 -0700 Subject: Re: MR2 Re: mr2-digest V1 #1570 Ken Farrell wrote: > > not sure where you want to put the epoxy, but be warned that the clear > 5min epoxy is generally crap Wear gloves!, epoxies will do long term damage to your skin that you won't notice for a few years ?What? Please send references. And I thought it was only leprosy:^0 ------------------------------ From: Bill Chen Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 21:36:56 -0700 Subject: MR2 Aeroware kit Sorry, I just sent an email with the wrong return address. Can all those responding to the email regarding the installation of the aeroware skirt kit please send all replies to the address below. Thanks and sorry. Bill - -- - ------------------------mrtwo@interlog.com---------------------------- Bill Chen http://www.Interlog.com/~mrtwo Toronto, Ontario mailto:mrtwo@interlog.com Canada eh! "It's not what you do, it's how good you look while doing it." - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: Bill Chen Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 21:47:56 -0700 Subject: MR2 Greddy Profec reprogramming I was wondering what the consensus was on reprogramming your profec when adding new performance items. Say you program you profec to a certain boost with all other stock items. Now when you add something such as an exhause, intercooler fan, or air filter, would you have to reprogram your profec and let it re-learn your boost curve???? Thanks all. Bill - -- - ------------------------mrtwo@interlog.com---------------------------- Bill Chen http://www.Interlog.com/~mrtwo Toronto, Ontario mailto:mrtwo@interlog.com Canada eh! "It's not what you do, it's how good you look while doing it." - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: Greg Wong Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 19:58:28 -0700 Subject: MR2 MKII SC Matt Ledbetter [Mattled@webtv.net] pointed me to http://www.turbodyne.com/ (see the technical section) They make electronic superchargers that can be mounted on turbo cars! = What do you people think about them? How much more power will it add? - -Greg 91T ------------------------------ End of mr2-digest V1 #1580