mr2-digest Friday, 7 November 1997 Volume 01 : Number 1820 MR2 Re: mr2-digest V1 #1817 MR2 both sides of the road.... MR2 power leather dimming lights MR2 Re: Both sides of the road! Re: MR2 SC for sale in Sydney Australia Re:MR2 bearing press questions.. MR2 ICQ real time chat users on the list Re: MR2 bad turbo sounds!!! help!!! MR2 Vents on engine lid MR2 Re: pressure MR2 Rebuttal: Both sides of the road! Re: MR2 K&N Mk1 Re: MR2 Rally MK1: 272 TRD cams (was MR2 MKI: HP increase?) Re: MR2 Rally MR2 Hey, don't shoot me! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: einigma@totacc.com (Roger Prior) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 00:14:42 -0700 Subject: MR2 Re: mr2-digest V1 #1817 >Look, I'm no aerodynamicist, but one thing eludes me..."WHY"? >Why do we want to get more airflow into the engine bay? More airflow into the engine bay will give us a better heat exchange. And since hot air from the engine is flowing through the intercooler we have another problem. Thats why I mentioned having a fan underneath the IC, blowing OUT the hot air. Its much less of a problem at high speeds than low speeds or sitting at a red light. The only airflow we get while just sitting there is from that little fan on the passenger side. It would have made more sense to install the intercooler right behind that fan than where it is now. >Is the engine not cooling properly? Its cooling properly while being compared to factory specs but its not as efficient as it could be. >I don't want to argue this and like I said originally I truly welcome fresh MR2 products, but I just >can't see that scooping air into the engine compartment from above will help. Au contraire! I was merely stating that the scoop is forcing air into the intake, not into the engine compartment. Those are two separate evils. Roger 89SC ------------------------------ From: TerrySaltzman@home.com Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 00:35:00 -0008 Subject: MR2 both sides of the road.... "Hey, I pay my taxes and I'll use as much of the damn road as i want" using both sides of the road while my dimming interior lights are on- terry BTW- thanx for the apology.....accepted ------------------------------ From: TerrySaltzman@home.com Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 00:44:43 -0008 Subject: MR2 power leather dimming lights ok the way i understand it, the dimming lights came std with the turbo. came "std" with the power AND / OR leather package in the NA. this is for 1992. this is my car. this is the brouchure i am reading from. if you have a different year then you are on your own....i can't help you.... no cheap factory leather but gobbs of all the other stuff (including the Bitchin Dimming Light - BDL) terry....speaks ------------------------------ From: TerrySaltzman@home.com Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 00:48:04 -0008 Subject: MR2 Re: Both sides of the road! > Just get me a sniper rifle, I'll fix all these worldly problems... > > Brad how bout we start you off with a "Super Soaker" waiting for my "NEW" rear crossdrilled rotors AND my new boost controller terry ------------------------------ From: Robin San Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 18:50:33 +1000 Subject: Re: MR2 SC for sale in Sydney Australia > FYI... Australians might look to New Zealand for some bargains then. I > just picked up a imported MKII 91 Turbo privately for NZ$14,000 (in good > condition). Allowing for exchange rates this is approx AUS$12,000, > US$9,500. Hi Neil Cool a turbo, our turbos go for about $25K Aussie, still expensive. I think the import duties and stuff would kill any advantage to importing from NZ. I heat your import auctions are pretty good buys. Japan is still the cheapest place to get used imports. Seeya Robin ------------------------------ From: Ken Farrell Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 20:43:00 -0800 Subject: Re:MR2 bearing press questions.. I would be a little wary of a press that limits out at 3 ton, I replaced a wheel bearing on the front of my MK2, (think wet road, old tires, 400deg. and a Jersey barrier) the press I used had a gauge and it took over 7000lb to get the sucker together. I would be surprised if you could really get 3 ton out of a 3 ton arbor press, I've used several of these in manufacturing, and while they are fine for fairly light stuff, there mostly for quick motion in repetitive jobs, you really need a long pipe and a strong bench to get much out of them, especially one of the cheap Chinese jobs. The best price I've seen on a real "H" beam press was $280 for a 20 ton. But you should be able to rig something out of a couple of 1ft pieces of heavy "C" channel, 2, 2' sections of 1.5" ready rod and a 10 ton bottle jack. Just build a square, put the jack in, adjust the rods for spacing (use nuts and washers on both sides of each joint 8 total), and squish away! All should be available in Detroit for a good price. In a pinch, a jack from a 1 ton pickup should work fine. Good luck! Ken 91T Steve Bagdon wrote: Anybody own a press, who can recommend a size? One of the local used tool stores has 'arbor'(?) manual (non-hydraulic) presses up to 3-tons rather cheap, I'm just trying to figure out what a good size is. This would be to work on spindle wheel bearings, pressing in and out suspension bushings, tranny gears, etc. Is a 2-ton or 3-ton arbor press (again, non-hydraulic) sufficient to work on non-siezed bearings? Thanks! Steve B. ------------------------------ From: Ken Farrell Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 22:00:03 -0800 Subject: MR2 ICQ real time chat users on the list I was wondering how many list members are set up with the ICQ real time chat prog. I just down loaded it, and even I can get it running so it can't be too hard.... http://www.mirabilis.com/index.html My ID# is 4800137 feel free to contact me if you have this set up and we can chat about Mr2's and such, Im usually on eves, West coast time Catch you later Ken 91T and for those of you who are keeping track, MR2MR2MR2MR2MR2MR2MR2MR2 ------------------------------ From: TerrySaltzman@home.com Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 01:02:40 -0008 Subject: Re: MR2 bad turbo sounds!!! help!!! Sometimes I bring up the boost to about 15psi. Sometimes while > accelerating at boost I hear a sound thats somewhat like that of metal > scissors opening and closing. sloppy turbine wheel banging around inside the housing??? terry ------------------------------ From: Travis Morien Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 17:31:11 +0800 (WST) Subject: MR2 Vents on engine lid > > The air that's coming up gets deflected against the rear bulkhead (trunk) and at 60mph, > I wouldn't guess that it's slowing down to heat up in the engine bay. > It would appear to me that if the top vents were blocked, you'd likely increase under hood > temperature dramatically and add to vehicle "lift" as well... has anyone thought of modifying the engine lid to allow better air flow up through it then? Instead of the slits maybe if that got cut away and replaced with a large mesh, that allowed the air to flow upwards more easily? Lets see....a scoop underneath the car with fans to suck the air upwards (like on a Mac F1) with a low restriction engine lid, intake insulated with reflective insulation, exhaust wrapped with more insulation to keep the heat out of the engine bay. Would it go any good? ------------------------------ From: rkoopman@jw.estec.esa.nl (Rob Koopman) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 11:20:44 +0100 (MET) Subject: MR2 Re: pressure > > From: "Tommy Guttmann" > Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 20:50:00 -0500 > Subject: Re: Air intake scoop for MR2 mk1 > > > While it is undoubtedly true that the stock flow of air is up and out > through the grills, the area under > the car is not a 'very' high pressure area. It is even a LOW pressure area, but the area above the car is an area of even lower pressure. The widest part of the car is a typical region where low pressures are found. In some cars, closing one's windows at top speed is difficult because they are pulled OUTwards. Usually the highest lift values are found at the upper edge of the windscreen. Another problem with installing a scoop that inverts the airflow is that. when waiting for traffic lights etc, hot air has greater difficulty to escape, since its natural tendency is to go upward. - -- _/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/ _/_/ ------------------------------ From: Date: Fri, 7 Nov 97 02:37:08 -0800 Subject: MR2 Rebuttal: Both sides of the road! What's the problem, Mike? > >You must be joking. No. Quite serious... my boy, I assure you. >Your riding... No... Driving... > at night Absolutely... >on BOTH sides of the road No. My car's not that wide... I can't be on both sides of the road at once; only one side at a time! Heh! > and Go ahead, I'm listening... > [you]expect oncoming traffic to get out of your way? No. I expect to get out of their way. I don't usually see oncoming traffic at 3:00 in the morning on a remote canyon road, without first seeing oncoming headlights... > I can just see it now: A signal indication of a semi-active imagination (only kidding, Mike)... >I'm enjoying a night ride on my motorcycle, Uh-huh... > minding my own business, as I >exit a turn some "jerk" Easy does it on the insults, Mike... You're spoiling my fun... > is in my lane (setting up for the turn) with 130 >watt headlights! Please, please, consider carefully what you're doing >before you kill someone. I have an idea. You should circulate a petition infavor of reimposing the double nickel. Let's affect legislation that would restrict all motorized forms of transportation to a 45mph terminal velocity. While we're at it, let's make speed rated tyres illegal. Let's ban the import and manufacture of all high performance automobiles (and motorcycles... and ATV's...). Why don't we affect legislation for a manditory helmet law for all motorized forms of transportation? How about manditory 6-point safety harnesses and NASCAR rollcages in all passenger cars? How about manditory nomex gear for all motor vehicle operators and passengers? No one ever need worry about a vehicle related injury ever again, Mike. Until then, sorry. I can't give you a golden parachute. People get killed. Why? I'll tell you: It's because we don't like the idea of grandma stuffing that georgous blue hair into a helmet and aggressively motoring her way to bingo in fine bumper car style... No. We prefer that people die, and become injured, instead. I don't drive a lilly livered Probe, or a Honda. I drive an MR2, so, pending the aforementioned reforms, I am unable to apologize for my intention to fully utilize my asset in the purpose, and spirit, to which it was intended. Think about it, Mike, my boy... if your petaling away on your little moped, with your light on, during the wee hours, sipping on your Pepsi while agressively "riding" through the canyons, then it's likely that oncoming traffic is going to see you from a ways off. If your "riding" down the road in the daytime rounding a blind turn, then not. I like to do drive late at night when no one's out there. THAT'S-WHY-I-BOUGHT-THESE-HEADLIGHTS! I've been carving up canyons for eons. It's safer at night. Just me, blasting through God's canyons as fast as I dare... it's the truest, most innocent form of motorsports. WHY DO YOU THINK I OWN A SPORTS CAR? Sammy Joseph, '88 4AGZE ------------------------------ From: Robin San Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 19:11:50 +1000 Subject: Re: MR2 K&N Mk1 > >Are there any alternatives for cleaning this filter w/o buying the > >cleaning kit from them?? Hi Gene Yep, remove the oil with warm milk and reoil with butter.....Im only kidding What I wanted to say was, dont use Soapy water to remove the oil as some of the K&N boxes say you can do. The soap is very hard to wash out completely and tends to make the gause less fluffy. Use the K&N oil remover and reoiliing kit its really the best. Seeya Robin 89 MK1 NA ------------------------------ From: Robin San Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 19:22:27 +1000 Subject: Re: MR2 Rally Hi Steve, Guys If the GrB MK1 is the same one as in P61 of Hyper Rev, its pretty impressive, only thing I can see that is MK1 is the tail lights. I cant read Japanese but the numbers say 3SGE and the engine is pointing the North/South. I can also see 4wd and 500.... in the midst of the Japanses characters. Seeya Robin 89 MK1 NA Steve N wrote: > WHOA!! There was a Gr. B MR2 Rally Car!! Gr. B are baddest Rally cars > known to man. I am not too up on the older days of 80's Rallying, but I > do know that Gr. B was an amazing time in Rally history where ther were > almost no restrictions. If there is a Gr. B Mki Rally car, that is what > all of us mki lovers should be striving for!!! That would be an > unbeliveable car. ------------------------------ From: Robin San Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 19:16:15 +1000 Subject: MK1: 272 TRD cams (was MR2 MKI: HP increase?) Hi Guys The opportunity for me to get a set of TRD 272 cams has come up. What can I expect from these, it isnt going to make my 89 NA MK1 MR2 a dog to drive in traffic is it? Is about $400 Aussie about right to pay for them? Thanks Robin 89 MK1 NA MR2 ------------------------------ From: kasper@super.zippo.com (Kasper) Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 11:53:26 GMT Subject: Re: MR2 Rally On Fri, 07 Nov 1997 19:22:27 +1000, you wrote: >Hi Steve, Guys > >If the GrB MK1 is the same one as in P61 of Hyper Rev, its pretty = impressive,=20 >only thing I can see that is MK1 is the tail lights. I cant read = Japanese but=20 >the numbers say 3SGE and the engine is pointing the North/South. I can = also=20 >see 4wd and 500.... in the midst of the Japanses characters. > >Seeya >Robin >89 MK1 NA > >Steve N wrote: >> WHOA!! There was a Gr. B MR2 Rally Car!! Gr. B are baddest Rally = cars >> known to man. I am not too up on the older days of 80's Rallying, but= I >> do know that Gr. B was an amazing time in Rally history where ther = were >> almost no restrictions. If there is a Gr. B Mki Rally car, that is = what >> all of us mki lovers should be striving for!!! That would be an >> unbeliveable car. I am lucky enough to have own a Renault 5 Turbo 2 group B car ,and have done for some years.In a way,the wifes MR2 turbo is an evolution of that concept.It still suffers the same problem with poor air flow to the intercooler shared with the T2,though.If it were _my_ car,my first mod would be a decent air to water intercooler.Am I right in believing a kit is _commercially_ available?If so,has anyone fitted one,and done charge air temp comparisons? In other ways,the progress from 1982 (the year of build of the T2),to = 1991 (the MR2 date),is astounding.Proper engine management has worked wonders for the driveability of modern turbo engines,and CAD/CAM has resulted in bodyshells in road cars with excellent torsional rigidity to weight ratios.The packaging has improved,too.Small air con compressors,and electronic power steering allow luxury items to be packaged in small cars.Just look how a Honda Beat is packaged,and the technology in those.I often wonder what we'll be driving in another 10 years.Maybe legislation will have totally killed what little pleasure is to be had from a sports car,at least in the UK.But I was saying the same in 1980... Best Regards, Chris Wilson (Gatesgarth Racing Developments) Gatley,Cheshire,UK http://www.maximum-bhp.u-net.com ------------------------------ From: nu3y@CritPath.Org Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 07:55:11 -0500 Subject: MR2 Hey, don't shoot me! When I posted "and those loveable dorks who think it's cool to drive with them up", I was only responding to another post by someone who was TRULY offering a strong opinion. I was merely trying to "temper" THAT statement with love for all of us MR2 nuts! What do you think, ANY of us are NORMAL people? Jeez! See ya all this Sunday at the D.C. Beltway Blast (which seems to be meeting closer to PA than Washington), and on the 23rd up @ Jim Thorpe. - ----- Joe Pearlstein '91 Crimson Red MKII, Past owner of '86 Super Red MKI Philadelphia, PA mailto:nu3y@critpath.org ------------------------------ End of mr2-digest V1 #1820