mr2-digest Friday, 5 December 1997 Volume 01 : Number 1943 MR2 Re: mr2-digest V1 #1941 Re: MR2 MKII Body kit Re: MR2 normal vs. supercharged cars MR2 Toyota USA Factory Direct Wholesale Parts Ordering Number Re: MR2 MKII Body kit MR2 Change of E-Mail address MR2 meeting in Western PA Re: MR2 Driving in CA/NV/AZ/UT in December Midwest MR2'ers MR2 91 MKII Turbo Exhaust Leak MR2 new MKII body kit??? MR2 Re: mr2-digest V1 #1933 Re: MR2 91 MKII Turbo Exhaust Leak MR2 NE gathering MR2 Tire Rubbing RE: MR2 Tire Rubbing Re: MR2 MKII Body kit MR2 re: NE gathering Re: MR2 0-60 times ???? MR2 Acceleration Statistics For You ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mike Gruber" Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 17:40:37 -0800 Subject: MR2 Re: mr2-digest V1 #1941 Well, yes, but... Even two autocrosses on a single tank only drop my per tank mileage about 2 mpg. And I don't have to use oven mitts to change my brake pads before I go home, either. ;-) > Hey Mike, > > Did'ya forget about the "8 mpg" on "race track" stuff? > > Tommy Guttmann ------------------------------ From: "Harry C. Wang" Date: Thu, 04 Dec 1997 18:05:42 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: MR2 MKII Body kit Hmmm...it looks exactly like the Aeroware kit except the spoiler. I like that spoiler, it looks like a beefed up version of the 94+ one. On Thu, 4 Dec 1997, Nathan Dyck wrote: > I guess this is a new kit???? It looks like the aeroware kit. Did > Kaminari buy them out??? > > http://www.kaminari.com/new9.htm > > Nathan Dyck > 91 MR2 Turbo > ------------------------------ From: "Steve Hoult" Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 19:34:23 -0600 Subject: Re: MR2 normal vs. supercharged cars Is anyone familiar with both the Mark I normally aspirated and the supercharged MR2s? How much faster is the blown car? Does the supercharger make a nice whine? I've heard that it doesn't--that the blown car sounds worse than the normal car. Is the supercharged motor less reliable? I had an '85 NA for about 2 years and I've owned my present '89 SC for a year. The SC is slightly heavier then the NA, but also comes with lots more creature comforts, standard. The NA revved to 7K easily and made lots of mechanical noise as it got closer to that edge. I was afraid to rev to the 7K line for many months. The SC does not rev to the 7K line easily, nor is it needed. The SC runs out of breath about 6K even though the redline is much higher. When you ask about blower noises, yes it makes it's own noise. It doesn't sound like a Jimmy G671 Blower from a big block Chevy, but yes it make a (to me) beautiful noise when you get your foot into it. The big difference is the bottom end omph that the NA lacks. I've not met a MR2 owner (any flavor) that doesn't really like that SC boost off the line. God I can't wait for the warm, sunny southern wheather to return this march. This 50 degree and partly cloudly crap every day has GOT to go!!!! Steve Hoult '89 SC ------------------------------ From: sine9@juno.com (F B) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 16:09:58 -0500 Subject: MR2 Toyota USA Factory Direct Wholesale Parts Ordering Number About 4 months ago someone posted a number which they recieved from a dealer with MUCH effort. The telephone number was a factory direct ordering number at Toyota (USA). Apparently a non-publlished number, generally only for dealers, but the person said that end-users can order parts from that number as well. Soooo, does anyone have that number? If so, please post it to the digest or send it to me email. Thank you very much. sine9@juno.com ------------------------------ From: "BryanW" Date: Thu, 04 Dec 1997 18:34:39 -0800 Subject: Re: MR2 MKII Body kit I called them and they said it was in no way associated with the aeroware kit(yeah right). Get this, they want $1,000 for the kit without the wing and another 300-350 if you want the wing. It is fiberglass so IMHO it is a ripoff of the aeroware kit with a few minor changes,the front spoiler is more pointed with a little bit different lines and the rear valance middle area is slightly different. Oh yeah and the vents and side skirts are one piece supposidly. Bryan 92T Aeroware and custom paint "Harry C. Wang" wrote on Thursday December 4, 1997 at 6:16pm: >Hmmm...it looks exactly like the Aeroware kit except the spoiler. I like >that spoiler, it looks like a beefed up version of the 94+ one. > >On Thu, 4 Dec 1997, Nathan Dyck wrote: > >> I guess this is a new kit???? It looks like the aeroware kit. Did >> Kaminari buy them out??? >> >> http://www.kaminari.com/new9.htm >> >> Nathan Dyck >> 91 MR2 Turbo >> > - ------------------------------------------------------ | Keeping your email PRIVATE is our business. | http://www.goplay.com/email/1000002 - it's FREE! ------------------------------ From: "Steve Hoult" Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 21:07:42 -0600 Subject: MR2 Change of E-Mail address I am changing my E-mail address (again!). My new E-mail Address is softboot@home.com Please send all E-mail to this address as my old primary account will soon end. Steve Hoult (in E-Mail Hell) '89 SC softboot@home.com softboot@mindspring.com Steve_Hoult@wdcn.pbs.org admin@wdcn.pbs.org wdcn8@usit.net ------------------------------ From: "Todd klosnick" Date: Thu, 04 Dec 1997 20:03:00 PST Subject: MR2 meeting in Western PA Hellos 2ers, How about a meeting a southwestern PA? Nice hilly roads in some areas. Could be nice. Just a suggestion! Todd 87 MR2 ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: Randy Chase Date: Thu, 04 Dec 1997 20:59:34 -0800 Subject: Re: MR2 Driving in CA/NV/AZ/UT in December Driving in the snow here in California will almost always require chains. When I go up to the mountains in the winter, either the roads are clear, or the roads have snow and chains are required. I think the local patrols over react in California. So, my recommendation is to carry good chains and keep the non-snow tires on for the vast majority of your driving will not be in the snow. Unless you just want to use up the snow tires (since you now are in the Bay area). Free Tips (you get what you pay for): Do the north rim of the grand canyon. Eat at the Rio's buffet (I normally stay here) in Las Vegas. Also in LV, see the Mystere (Cirque De Soliel) show. It's worth it. I-49 is great to drive down. Some mountain passes are snowed in. Check the conditions. Utah has some great looking country. Watch out for the HP. See WWW.speedtrap.com Have fun, Randy Chase *travelling up 49 to Yosemite in 2 months* '91 MR2 NA ------------------------------ From: "Chris King" Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 23:16:32 -0600 Subject: Midwest MR2'ers Ok. The recent growing of the east IMOC has left me jealous here so I want to compile a list here of all interested mr2 owners that live in the midwest region and try and get some kind of a group started here if there is interest. West coast has one, east coast has one, texas has one, southwest has one, midwest doesn't have one. If interested, please e-mail me privately. Chris K Illinois mr2'er ------------------------------ From: Bill Cochran Date: Thu, 04 Dec 1997 21:30:19 -0800 Subject: MR2 91 MKII Turbo Exhaust Leak I recently purchased a '91T with 78,000 miles. It has an exhaust leak, evidanced by a tick.tick.tick sound just above slow idle. The noise goes away once the engine has warmed. Visual inspection reveals some discoloration on the block near the #1cyc exhaust manifold. Based on personal experience, can anyone guess if I have a bad manifold gasket, or a warped manifold? I sure hope it's just a blown gasket, as I understand the manifold is made from an exotic material and is quite expensive. Also, how complex is it to replace the gasket myself. Thanks, Bill Cochran just a Big Dam Engineer (w/o any tools) Chico, CA ------------------------------ From: jsbihn@DigiScape.com (Bihn, Jeff S) Date: Fri, 05 Dec 1997 00:11:18 -0600 Subject: MR2 new MKII body kit??? nathan dyck wrote: > I guess this is a new kit???? It looks like the aeroware kit. Did > Kaminari buy them out??? > http://www.kaminari.com/new9.htm well, i would have to say since i know the history of the aeroware kit and its creator, it must be a splashed copy. especially since aeroware no longer holds the rights to the kit. i think i will check into this kit and see what i can work out for it 8). but i still say that there is no substituting the real thing. - -- type to you soon, Jeff Rebel Motorsports phone: 228-875-6485 mailto:jsbihn@digiscape.com fax: 228-875-3164 website: http://www.rebel.digiscape.com icq uin#: 2954300 -- accepting visa and mastercard ------------------------------ From: DAZDP Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 01:11:46 EST Subject: MR2 Re: mr2-digest V1 #1933 this sticker was seen on a MR2 "SPEED KILLS" under that it said, "drive a honda and live forever" ------------------------------ From: charlesg@cco.caltech.edu (Charles Grosjean) Date: 5 Dec 1997 06:34:55 GMT Subject: Re: MR2 91 MKII Turbo Exhaust Leak Bill Cochran writes: >I recently purchased a '91T with 78,000 miles. It has an exhaust leak, >evidanced by a tick.tick.tick sound just above slow idle. The noise goes >away once the engine has warmed. Visual inspection reveals some >discoloration on the block near the #1cyc exhaust manifold. It is most likely a warped manifold. The gaskets seem very robust being 3 or 4 layers of embossed sheet metal. >Also, how complex is it to replace the gasket myself. Well, you have to take the turbo and cat off to get the gasket so... The manifold is about $140 discounted so it's not too bad. You should probably buy a new gasket set for the turbo if you're going to do this as you'll need new oil, water, etc. Charles ------------------------------ From: Christopher Conrad Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 02:09:12 -0500 (EST) Subject: MR2 NE gathering Ok, I need a head count into who is seriously interested in meeting in December. Like I said below, I will be home from school Dec. 19 - Jan. 19, but I will not be around the first week of July. So I was hoping sometime in the area of Dec. 27 or 28. Anyone have any opinions? Chris Conrad 1987 Tan MKI (For Sale!) --> http://members.aol.com/mr21987/mr2fs.html 1985 Blue MKI http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Speedway/7153/mr22.html ICQ: 5285001 ------------------------------ From: Jason Pins Date: Fri, 05 Dec 1997 00:48:45 -0600 Subject: MR2 Tire Rubbing I think I'm gonna go with the OZ Monte Carlos in a 17" I like the BF Goodrich Comp T/A ZRs but on the Websites I've been to they don't make a 235/40/17 like everyone is using only a 235/45/17. I assume this will rub the wheel well? Any suggestions on another tire and where I can look at them? Thanks Jason ------------------------------ From: "BryanW" Date: Thu, 04 Dec 1997 23:42:17 -0800 Subject: RE: MR2 Tire Rubbing Yok AVS-I's or Dunlop sp8000(much better tire) Jason Pins wrote on Thursday December 4, 1997 at 11:33pm: >I think I'm gonna go with the OZ Monte Carlos in a 17" > >I like the BF Goodrich Comp T/A ZRs but on the Websites I've been to >they don't make a 235/40/17 like everyone is using only a 235/45/17. >I assume this will rub the wheel well? > >Any suggestions on another tire and where I can look at them? > >Thanks >Jason - ------------------------------------------------------ | Go Play with GoPlay Email! | http://www.goplay.com/email/1000004 - it's FREE! ------------------------------ From: Mark Sink Date: Fri, 05 Dec 1997 02:48:13 -0800 Subject: Re: MR2 MKII Body kit Before someone asks, the wheels are 17" Blitz Type-03. These images have renewed my interest in these wheels. I think they look awesome. For another image: http://www.se.mediaone.net/~soarer/Performance/blitzpst.jpg http://www.se.mediaone.net/~soarer/Performance/blitzgs.jpg For Fitament chart, which includes the MR2 SW20 http://www.se.mediaone.net/~soarer/Performance/blitzlst.jpg Later, Mark Sink Nathan Dyck wrote: > > I guess this is a new kit???? It looks like the aeroware kit. Did > Kaminari buy them out??? > > http://www.kaminari.com/new9.htm > > Nathan Dyck > 91 MR2 Turbo - -- Mark Sink - ----------- http://toy4two.home.mindspring.com/ Modified '87 MR2 & '93 MR2 Turbo ------------------------------ From: Christopher Conrad Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 02:54:21 -0500 (EST) Subject: MR2 re: NE gathering Ok, too many typos on my last message. See what studying for exams does to me!! I can't think straight. Anyway i meant to say, as I said before I will be home Dec. 19- Jan 19, but I will be away the frist week of January. I am hoping we can get a meeting in the area of Dec. 27 or 28. Sorry about the wasted space. Let me know. >Ok, I need a head count into who is seriously interested in meeting in >December. Like I said below, I will be home from school Dec. 19 - Jan. >19,but I will not be around the first week of July. So I was hoping >sometime in the area of Dec. 27 or 28. Anyone have any opinions? Chris Conrad 1987 Tan MKI (For Sale!) 1985 Blue MKI http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Speedway/7153/mr22.html ICQ: 5285001 ------------------------------ From: Inge Mauseth Date: Fri, 05 Dec 1997 10:57:31 +0100 Subject: Re: MR2 0-60 times ???? Jeffrey Gammon wrote: > I am curious as to what the 0-60 times are on the > following MR2's (stock, of course): > > MKI N/A - ? > MKI Supercharged - ? > MKII N/A - ? > MKII Turbo - ? > > Also, I thought that the 0-60 time for a MKI N/A was 7.5-8 > seconds. But was told recently that this was only on > Japanese engines and not Nort American. And that N.A. > times were actualy around 9.5 seconds. > Is this true???? > > Thanks Hallo! The British car magazine "Autocar" did a test on the MkI na in March 1985 (13. March 1985). They did 0-60miles/h (aver. over 5 runs) 7,7 s. The best run was at 7,5 s. This was the European version with 124Hp@6600 rpm. BTW: My best 0-100Km/t (0-62 miles/h) is 7,15s. Aver. over 4 runs 7,2s. OK it is light modified :-) http://www.mr2.com/OWNERS/IngeM.html Regards Inge @ -10deg Celsius/14 deg Fahrenheit ------------------------------ From: Date: Fri, 5 Dec 97 01:29:35 -0000 Subject: MR2 Acceleration Statistics For You Dear Digest, Some statistics, perhaps... provided below: _____________________________________________ >Toyota's 1.6 Litre MR-2 (R&T Magazine, August 1985: v 36, 12) Curb Weight: 2,390 lbs Horsepower: 112 @ 6.6E+3 revs Torque: 97 @ 4.8E+3 revs Acceleration per unit Time: 0 to 30mph: 2.9 seconds 0 to 60mph: 8.4 seconds 0 to 80mph: 14.3 seconds Final Drive Ratio: 4:31 Acceleration per unit Distance: 0 to 100ft: 3.4 seconds 0 to 500ft: 9.0 seconds 0 to 1320ft: 16.5 seconds Terminal Velocity (@ Unknown Revs): 121 MPH Drag Coefficient: Not Given Lap @ WIR (2.8 mile road course): 1:50.85 in stock trim * Our little Mk I brother was almost 5 seconds a lap faster than Mazda's RX-7 at Willow Springs International Raceway in this comparative road test back in 1985. Our little Mk I guy made minced-meat out of every competitor in a 6-car shoot-out, hands-down, sans a Supercharger. The nearest competitor, the V-6 Fiero GT (1:51.35), was the better part of a second slower, per lap. In fact, the Mk I was 10 seconds a lap faster than the Bertoni X-1/9 (Fiat), over six seconds faster than the Alfa Romeo Graduate, and two seconds better than the Honda's CRX. If you can, chase down this particular back issue of R&T Magazine. -ASJ _____________________________________________ >Toyota's 1.6 Litre Supercharged MR-2 (R&T Magazine, October 1987: v 39, 2) Curb Weight: 2,620 lbs Horsepower: 145 @ 6.4 E+3 revs Torque: 140 @ 4.0 E+3 revs Acceleration per unit Time: 0 to 30mph: 2.1 seconds 0 to 40mph: 3.6 seconds 0 to 50mph: 5.0 seconds 0 to 60mph: 7.0 seconds 0 to 70mph: 9.2 seconds 0 to 80mph: 11.7 seconds 0 to 90mph: 19.7 seconds 0 to 100mph: 21.1 seconds Final Drive Ratio: 4:29 Acceleration per unit Distance: 0 to 100ft: 2.9 seconds 0 to 500ft: 8.2 seconds 0 to 900ft: 11.9 seconds 0 to 1320ft: 15.3 seconds Terminal Velocity (@ Unknown Revs): 135 MPH, Estimated Drag Coefficient: 0.34 Fuel Capacity: Not Given *Note the difference in torque between the SC and its atmospheric little brother. _____________________________________________ >Toyota's Celica All-Trac (substuted for 2.2 litre MR-2) (R&T Magazine, April 1990. "Road Test Summary," p. 22) Acceleration per unit Time: 0 to 60mph: 7.7 seconds Acceleration per unit Distance: 0 to 1320ft: 15.6 seconds Terminal Velocity (@Redline): Not Given _____________________________________________ >Toyota's 2.0 Litre Turbocharged MR-2 (R&T Magazine, April 1990: v 41, 8) Curb Weight: 2825 lbs Horsepower: 200 @ 6.6E+3 revs Torque: 200 @ 3.2E+3 revs Acceleration per unit Time: 0 to 30mph: 1.9 seconds 0 to 40mph: 3.3 seconds 0 to 50mph: 4.6 seconds 0 to 60mph: 6.2 seconds 0 to 70mph: 8.3 seconds 0 to 80mph: 10.3 seconds 0 to 90mph: 13.2 seconds 0 to 100mph: 16.7 seconds Speed in Gears: Gear Ratio Overall MPH 1st..... 3.23:1 13.84:1 35 2nd..... 1.91:1 8.20:1 60 3rd..... 1.32:1 5.39:1 91 4th..... 0.92:1 3.93:1 125 5th..... 0.73:1 3.13:1 145 Acceleration per unit Distance: 0 to 100ft: 2.9 seconds 0 to 500ft: 7.9 seconds 0 to 1320ft: 14.7 seconds Terminal Velocity (@Redline): 145 MPH @ 6.6E+3 Revs Drag Coefficient: 0.31 Fuel Capacity: 14.8 USg * the Turbo is definitely "the enforcer" of the MR-2 family... _____________________________________________ Courtesy, Sammy Joseph, '88 4AGZE PS- Do later versions of the Mk II have a smaller fuel cell than the number I posted? And... coming soon to a digest near you, stay tuned for the results of the fuel consumption analysis. ------------------------------ End of mr2-digest V1 #1943