mr2-digest Tuesday, July 28 1998 Volume 02 : Number 1191 Re: New to MR2 New 'Vettes (was(Re: Anti MR2 site)) Re: MR2 mkII tranny q and wtb MR2 brake pads Re: MR2 The Big Glass... (Help?) Re: MR2 The Big Glass... (Help?) Re: MR2 91T: Blown Radiator Re: MR2 MK1 SC - Gearbox Rebuild & HKS Pulley Re: MR2 The Big Glass... (Help?) Re: MR2 The Big Glass... (Help?) MR2 Re: brake pads Re: MR2 mkII tranny q and wtb Re: MR2 brake pads Re: MR2: Mk I '89 NA inspection questions Re: MR2 Silly coolant/brake fluid question Subject: MR2 HELP-3SGTE Exhaust Manifold Install ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 11:12:18 -0700 From: Randy Chase Subject: Re: New to MR2 Joshua Jury wrote: > > I just bought a 92 NA and while doing research online, found this list. > I've read the faq but I'm wondering if there's anything specific I should > know about what to do/not to do. off the cuff FAQ: 1. Keep the car waxed, specially the wing. Consider a high quality cover it it spends time outdoors. 2. Your NA is not easily upgradeable to a Turbo. It's cheaper to sell your car and buy the turbo if you want more acceleration. 3. Your car is a great handling sportscar with some quirks. It's fast when driven correctly, and this means that if you haven't done it, consider autocross, track time, or a school. 4. You can make the car less quirky by alignment changes. You can also make it so it corners much quicker. 5. A lot of the stock stuff on the car work great. Mod if you want, but you may not get much bang for the buck. 6. Don't lift in the corners. Don't hit your brakes in the corners. 7. The shift cables and synchros may be the weak points on your car. 8. If you have the t-tops, get the black magic stuff. 9. Aftermarket rims or out of balance stuff may cause steering wheel shimmy above 60mph. 10. Use Mr2.Com and the links that are there. 11. Get the Big Green Book (BGB). It's worth it. 12. Enjoy the good decision you made. I guess one of the most basic questions > I'd like to have answered is, what octane gas should I use? Regular gas in the US is fine for the NA car (though I use premium..cuz I am just not sure that there is NO difference...and I want ANY help I can get). Randy Chase '91 MR2 NA ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 13:27:54 -0500 From: Glenn Wallenberg Subject: New 'Vettes (was(Re: Anti MR2 site)) Allen Sanders wrote: > > The new 'Vette is a great sports car, with great performance numbers, > and supposedly is super tight (with that tube frame that it has), but > what about that interior? If I'm paying 40 grand for a sports car (given > even at 40 G the 'Vette is a bargain) I want an interior that makes me > happy. I don't think Chevy ever will. > > Allen > asanders@law.tulane.edu > '85 na silver > I've been in the new 'Vettes and I'd have to say it has a near perfect interior. Very ergonomic and lots of cool bottons and gadgets to play with near the steering wheel. But still, it leans more towards a luxury car than a straight out sports car like our 2's. Wally 91 NA ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 11:19:18 -0700 From: Randy Chase Subject: Re: MR2 mkII tranny q and wtb Rocwandrer@aol.com wrote: > > Hey all, > Quick question and a "want ad" > Is the '93 turbo tranny a direct replacement for '91 (I would rather have dual > cone syncros). If so anyone out there have or know where I can get a '93 + > turbo tranny, if not ditto for 91 or 92. Richard, can't remember, is your car a Turbo?? If it's not.... BUY MY TRANNY!!!!!!!! oh....I have my 91 Tranny for sale...in perfect condition....except a little synchro problem. 8) Just need to rebuild the synchros. This is for a NA car though. Boxed by Toyota. Ready to go. 117 pounds. 24" square box (approx). Good price to nice home. Randy Chase ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 11:30:53 PDT From: marcs@tdd.hbo.nec.com (Marc Summers) Subject: MR2 brake pads Hello Nathan: Not sure which Carbotech pads you are talking about: "but don't use them on the street or they will destroy your rotors." But you must not be talking about the "Panther pads" I have a set of them on my 1993 MR2 and they are NOT destroying my rotors. You must be refering to one of Larry Narcus's other types. If you want a brake pad that has some REAL stopping power that you can use both on the track and on the street then give Larry a call at Carbotech and get a set of Panther pads. - -- Email: marcs@tdd.hbo.nec.com 1993 MR2T with a lot of mods :) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 12:40:50 -0500 From: "John Welch" Subject: Re: MR2 The Big Glass... (Help?) Put 2 more coats of rain-x on the windsheild, and remove the wpers from the car.... John Welch '86 4-Runner '87 MR-2 Turbo P.S. With the factory wipers still on the MR-2, and the original dealer's washer fluid in the tank. - ---------- > From: Aiman J. Al-Khazaali, MCSE > To: 'mr2-interest@mr2.com' > Subject: MR2 The Big Glass... (Help?) > Date: Tuesday, July 28, 1998 10:49 AM > > Well, I did it.. after watching the thread about the pro's & con's of using > that Rain-X stuff, i decided to go out to my local pep boys/parts > america/autozone (cross out the ones that don't apply) and pick myself up a > bottle. > > I applied it, and these are my opinions: > On the door windows, and rear quarter glass, this stuff works great, same > for my T-Tops. It does JUST as advertised. The rear glass wasn't affected > all that much by it, since it is not that exposed to the wind. > Now comes my problem... The main windscreen... it does work by beading > water off the glass... BUT, when I use my windshield wipers, it makes a > very thin film of micro bubbles, that, at night, when in ANY sort of light, > makes the windscreen OPAQUE! > Now personally, I would think that a clean windscreen, and a good pair of > wipers would do a MUCH better job..... > Now, I would like to get this stuff OFF of my windscreen... however.. this > shit is pretty resilient... I have tried windex, windex w/ammonia, formula > 409 (which takes that NASTY film right off the INSIDE of my winscreen). > Basically, I have tried everything short of comet w/ a green scrubby... AND > it has been over 3 weeks since I put this stuff on, and I am still seeing > its effects.... > > HELP!! i can't see a damn thing at night (which is when i do a LOT of my > driving) > > Aiman A. > Im scream - ing in the rain.... > > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 14:50:43 -0400 From: John Keller Subject: Re: MR2 The Big Glass... (Help?) John Of course this WILL work too, Aiman, however the occasional muddy splat from a passing car means wipers can be benifical. John Keller 88SC John Welch wrote: > Put 2 more coats of rain-x on the windsheild, and remove the wpers from the > car.... > > John Welch > '86 4-Runner > '87 MR-2 Turbo > > P.S. With the factory wipers still on the MR-2, and the original dealer's > washer fluid in the tank. > > ---------- > > From: Aiman J. Al-Khazaali, MCSE > > To: 'mr2-interest@mr2.com' > > Subject: MR2 The Big Glass... (Help?) > > Date: Tuesday, July 28, 1998 10:49 AM > > > > Well, I did it.. after watching the thread about the pro's & con's of > using > > that Rain-X stuff, i decided to go out to my local pep boys/parts > > america/autozone (cross out the ones that don't apply) and pick myself up > a > > bottle. > > > > I applied it, and these are my opinions: > > On the door windows, and rear quarter glass, this stuff works great, same > > > for my T-Tops. It does JUST as advertised. The rear glass wasn't affected > > > all that much by it, since it is not that exposed to the wind. > > Now comes my problem... The main windscreen... it does work by beading > > water off the glass... BUT, when I use my windshield wipers, it makes a > > very thin film of micro bubbles, that, at night, when in ANY sort of > light, > > makes the windscreen OPAQUE! > > Now personally, I would think that a clean windscreen, and a good pair of > > > wipers would do a MUCH better job..... > > Now, I would like to get this stuff OFF of my windscreen... however.. > this > > shit is pretty resilient... I have tried windex, windex w/ammonia, > formula > > 409 (which takes that NASTY film right off the INSIDE of my winscreen). > > Basically, I have tried everything short of comet w/ a green scrubby... > AND > > it has been over 3 weeks since I put this stuff on, and I am still seeing > > > its effects.... > > > > HELP!! i can't see a damn thing at night (which is when i do a LOT of my > > > driving) > > > > Aiman A. > > Im scream - ing in the rain.... > > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 14:45:37 -0400 From: John Keller Subject: Re: MR2 91T: Blown Radiator David Call a radiator repair shop (they can get new ones too) for a price. Replace it yourself AFTER learning on mr2.com how to PURGE the air out of the system. $400 for labor, is AT LEASE $200 too high. John Keller 88SC David W. Wong wrote: > ...so there I was, driving home after work, minding my own business heading > north on Hwy 101 near Redwood City (northern California), when all of a > sudden steam and liquid starts spewing out from the front and my temp gauge > is visibly rising, and fast! I pull over as quickly as I can, and after a > visual inspection my hunch is confirmed: a blown radiator! > > My local Toyota dealer gave me a quote of $800 to replace the unit ($400 for > the part and $400 for the labor and flush and fill), and with plenty of > things to worry about at the moment (not the least of which is my wedding > in -- gasp! -- 4 days) I'm in no mood to go shopping for deals, but I was > wondering what others have paid for this operation. > > Dave > Red 91T 110k miles > SF Bay Area ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 15:08:52 -0400 From: John Keller Subject: Re: MR2 MK1 SC - Gearbox Rebuild & HKS Pulley Daryl Yes, right off the "top of my head", put on pulley, BUT DON'T CHANGE THE ABV HOSE LOCATION! That will limit your boost to 8psi. until the gearbox is "bedded in", then to get 10psi. later just do the "mod" to the ABV hose location. John Keller 88SC Daryl Baker wrote: > Just a quick one.... > > Gearbox is being rebuilt as I type this, replacing 4 bearings in the > box and the two big ones in the diff. > > Question is, should I put on the HKS pulley, now, to start using as > soon as the box is put back in the car. Part of me thinks no, give > the box some time to bed in, the other part of me thinks everything > will be ok. > > Any thoughts > > Daryl > 88 SC ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 12:40:50 -0500 From: "John Welch" Subject: Re: MR2 The Big Glass... (Help?) Put 2 more coats of rain-x on the windsheild, and remove the wpers from the car.... John Welch '86 4-Runner '87 MR-2 Turbo P.S. With the factory wipers still on the MR-2, and the original dealer's washer fluid in the tank. - ---------- > From: Aiman J. Al-Khazaali, MCSE > To: 'mr2-interest@mr2.com' > Subject: MR2 The Big Glass... (Help?) > Date: Tuesday, July 28, 1998 10:49 AM > > Well, I did it.. after watching the thread about the pro's & con's of using > that Rain-X stuff, i decided to go out to my local pep boys/parts > america/autozone (cross out the ones that don't apply) and pick myself up a > bottle. > > I applied it, and these are my opinions: > On the door windows, and rear quarter glass, this stuff works great, same > for my T-Tops. It does JUST as advertised. The rear glass wasn't affected > all that much by it, since it is not that exposed to the wind. > Now comes my problem... The main windscreen... it does work by beading > water off the glass... BUT, when I use my windshield wipers, it makes a > very thin film of micro bubbles, that, at night, when in ANY sort of light, > makes the windscreen OPAQUE! > Now personally, I would think that a clean windscreen, and a good pair of > wipers would do a MUCH better job..... > Now, I would like to get this stuff OFF of my windscreen... however.. this > shit is pretty resilient... I have tried windex, windex w/ammonia, formula > 409 (which takes that NASTY film right off the INSIDE of my winscreen). > Basically, I have tried everything short of comet w/ a green scrubby... AND > it has been over 3 weeks since I put this stuff on, and I am still seeing > its effects.... > > HELP!! i can't see a damn thing at night (which is when i do a LOT of my > driving) > > Aiman A. > Im scream - ing in the rain.... > > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 14:37:25 -0400 From: John Keller Subject: Re: MR2 The Big Glass... (Help?) > Aiman I have used Rain-X for more than 20 years and have never heard of the problem you are having. The problem must be your wiper blades are contaminated with something. BTW, I don't use my wipers AT ALL, unless I'm in a LIGHT rain or get "slopped" by a passing car. Using wipers scratchs the Rain-X protection. > John Keller 88SC > Now comes my problem... The main windscreen... it does work by beading > water off the glass... BUT, when I use my windshield wipers, it makes a > very thin film of micro bubbles, that, at night, when in ANY sort of light, > makes the windscreen OPAQUE! > Now personally, I would think that a clean windscreen, and a good pair of > wipers would do a MUCH better job..... > Now, I would like to get this stuff OFF of my windscreen... however.. this > shit is pretty resilient... I have tried windex, windex w/ammonia, formula > 409 (which takes that NASTY film right off the INSIDE of my winscreen). > Basically, I have tried everything short of comet w/ a green scrubby... AND > it has been over 3 weeks since I put this stuff on, and I am still seeing > its effects.... > > HELP!! i can't see a damn thing at night (which is when i do a LOT of my > driving) > > Aiman A. > Im scream - ing in the rain.... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 02:14:00 -0500 From: "Nathan Dyck" Subject: MR2 Re: brake pads Hi Marc, I was talking about the "mean greens" but I was also confusing them with some of the Hawk racing pads. (I think Terry S. has some problems with these (mean greens) on the street. They also seem to squeak a lot.) Sorry about that. Could you please send me some info on the Panther pads, this is the first that I have heard of them. I'd like to include some of this info in the MKII MR2 Autocross FAQ. Thanks. Nathan Dyck At 11:30 AM 7/28/98 PDT, Marc Summers wrote: >Hello Nathan: > >Not sure which Carbotech pads you are talking about: >"but don't use them on the street or they will destroy your rotors." > >But you must not be talking about the "Panther pads" >I have a set of them on my 1993 MR2 and they are NOT destroying >my rotors. > >You must be refering to one of Larry Narcus's other types. > >If you want a brake pad that has some REAL stopping power >that you can use both on the track and on the street then >give Larry a call at Carbotech and get a set of Panther pads. > >-- >Email: marcs@tdd.hbo.nec.com >1993 MR2T with a lot of mods :) > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 11:58:26 -0008 From: TerrySaltzman@home.com Subject: Re: MR2 mkII tranny q and wtb > Hey all, > Quick question and a "want ad" > Is the '93 turbo tranny a direct replacement for '91 (I would rather have dual > cone syncros). If so anyone out there have or know where I can get a '93 + > turbo tranny, if not ditto for 91 or 92. im looking into the same thing.....some fella posted receintly that he put a 93t tranny on a 91t. i called toyota yesterday to get some info...it will work. asked trd usa about a trd japan tranny they really did not know...they also seemed to think that i would be worth more than the car itself. lemmy know what you find out.... tallterryistrannyshopping ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 12:11:02 -0008 From: TerrySaltzman@home.com Subject: Re: MR2 brake pads > Not sure which Carbotech pads you are talking about: > "but don't use them on the street or they will destroy your rotors." > either the hawk blue or hawk balck pads will destroy ones rotors (on the street and/or when not at track temp...i know ;) > But you must not be talking about the "Panther pads" > I have a set of them on my 1993 MR2 and they are NOT destroying > my rotors. very interesting about the panther padz....sometime ago i spoke to larry at length on a sunday morning (2hrs) on his dime! he is VERY knowledgeable about his products as well as others. his mission is "to dispell and clear the aire of all the performance brake bullshit..." so far i have followed his advice and i have not been disappointed....however he DID NOT know that the mean greens did not have holes for the springs. he sed, "thank you very much for that little bit of info Terry i will fix that error in my production runs." you see he MANUFACTORS his own pads.....interesting guy..... soooo......whats with these panther pads? ive never heard of them before.....new? > If you want a brake pad that has some REAL stopping power > that you can use both on the track and on the street then > give Larry a call at Carbotech and get a set of Panther pads. > maybe he replaced the mean greens with panthers...cuz they sound VERY similar. terry! > -- > Email: marcs@tdd.hbo.nec.com > 1993 MR2T with a lot of mods :) > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 13:32:51 -0500 From: Mark Mandrell Subject: Re: MR2: Mk I '89 NA inspection questions >There is what appears to be a strut brace which runs between the >struts and behind the spare tire. It appears to be factory but I >don't remember seeing one in the '87 I looked at. Is this a change? >Am I blind? Or did some DPO install a strut brace in the car? The '87 T-Topped Parts car I bought has one. I think it was factory on t-top cars 87+, but I could be wrong... >Also, the engine bay lid prop is missing (!) -- I assume there >should be one -- how could this have happened? Both my MR2's have come into my possession missing the rubber grommet that hold the prop rod in the mounting hole. With out this it will vibrate out of position, since the plastic clip is usually cracked or broken as well. I now carry the prop rod in the rear trunk (until I remember to get a ne grommet! Mark Mandrell '86 Red MR2 sunroof '87 White MR2 t-top (parts car) Mark Mandrell ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 14:12:43 -0500 From: "Ron Rutledge" Subject: Re: MR2 Silly coolant/brake fluid question Coolant should last a long time. Brake fluid is volatile; I don't keep it longer than 2 months after opened, even when tightly resealed. - -----Original Message----- From: Alex Pun To: mr2-interest@mr2.com Date: Tuesday, July 28, 1998 10:39 AM Subject: MR2 Silly coolant/brake fluid question >Hi, > >Please forgive me for this silly question, but is coolant and brake >fluid in the bottle still good after you open the bottle? Or does it >somehow go bad and should be just thrown away? > >Thanks, >Alex >_________________________________________________________ >DO YOU YAHOO!? >Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 11:35:53 -0600 From: Ken Farrell Subject: Subject: MR2 HELP-3SGTE Exhaust Manifold Install I did mine dry with no leaks, re-using the old gasket. My neighbor re-did his slant six using gasket seal and it leaked, re-did it dry and no problem. I think that the idea is that the manifold and the head don't move the same, especially with a aluminum head / iron exhaust, so a little sliding is wanted, that is why the manifold holes in the center are tight and the ones at the ends are oversized. Good luck! Ken 91T ------------------------------ End of mr2-digest V2 #1191