mr2-digest Friday, July 31 1998 Volume 02 : Number 1196 Re: MR2 New Brooklands MR2 Book RE: MR2 Return Prank for Fecal joke.... Re: MR2 Pumping gas on idle MR2 Front wheels shaking MR2 Help, 3S/GTE Engine. Re-post MR2 speeding ticket >MR2 clutch problem? MR2 Best stock sized tire for MKII? Re: MR2 speeding ticket MR2 SC part needed !! RE: MR2 New Brooklands MR2 Book MR2 re: Fecal Prank Re: >MR2 clutch problem? MR2 refueling Re: MR2 Pumping gas on idle MR2: Models from Terry Re: MR2 Pizza! MR2 MKII Valve Oil Seals MR2 pumping with engine on ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 21:47:43 -0008 From: TerrySaltzman@home.com Subject: Re: MR2 New Brooklands MR2 Book > BTW, if anyone has the original "Toyota MR2 1984-1988" Brooklands and > would like to sell it, I'd pay good money for it. Or better yet, where > can I get a new one?? Write to Brooklands in UK? sammy had one on his coffee table at the Post Willows Bash (PWB) at his home...... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 23:52:30 -0500 From: "Andrew Adams" Subject: RE: MR2 Return Prank for Fecal joke.... I've used that stuff. It discolors anything it touches while it's expanding. On skin, the color doesn't wash off; it wears off in about two weeks. Andrew - -----Original Message----- From: owner-mr2@slapshot.hockey.net [mailto:owner-mr2@slapshot.hockey.net]On Behalf Of McQuillin, Gordon Sent: Thursday, July 30, 1998 6:35 PM To: derek4300@juno.com; 'MR2 Mailing List' Subject: MR2 Return Prank for Fecal joke.... I'd first check to see if it does any damage to fabrics or materials, and then I would find out whatever the two chemicals they use at the UPS shipping centers for packing protection. When these two chemicals are combined (they are liquid to start with) they make a solid foam type material. At UPS they pour it around whatever you are shipping to make a custom mold/packing protector. Just fill his entire car interior with foam. Or some of that expanding foam insulation would do the trick too. It'd be kinda humorous to watch the victum come out and find his car filled with one solid piece of foam. Just a though. Gordon McQuillin 91'T Black ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 23:48:18 -0500 (CDT) From: rande@qni.com Subject: Re: MR2 Pumping gas on idle On Fri, 31 Jul 1998, DaddyCat1@aol.com wrote: >remember, your MR2 might not be the spark; it could be that ratty old >Studebaker next to you, or the idiot lighting up a cigarette. Remember the >Hindenberg? (I know it wasn't gasoline, but you get the idea...) So, if it was the Studebaker that caused the KABOOM, it wouldn't matter if my car was running or not. Randy Eickhoff rande@qni.com http://www.qni.com/~rande 91T 45k 64 AS 85NA 135k for sale = 91NA 98k, 88SC 98k, 86NA 103k, 85NA 120k parts car KCRSCCA CACKC KSRSCCA IMOC ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 21:51:25 -0700 From: "MR2UNLIMITED" Subject: MR2 Front wheels shaking have your front rotors turned and that will solve your problem might as well changed the brake pads also scott 91-n/a-black http://welcome.to/mr2unlimited >Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 19:19:25 EDT >From: SteveZeva@aol.com >Subject: MR2 Front wheels shaking > >I think I remember reading a post not too long ago where someone said that if >the lug nuts weren't torqued to the proper value, you would get vibrations. Is >that vibrations all the time? Or could it be just under braking? > >Mine is just under braking...I think I remember reading that the rotors warp >easy in our cars (...oh NOOOOO!) What's the skinny? If they need to be >torque'd, what is the torque value? > >Sorry if you've seen this question a zillion times before, but my memory isn't >what it once was....ya'll know what they say about getting old, the mind is >the first thing to go...hehehe.. > >- -Steve Gregory- >Silver '86 "Road Magnet" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 23:03:41 -0400 From: "Aiman J. Al-Khazaali, MCSE" Subject: MR2 Help, 3S/GTE Engine. Re-post I think the list/digest were down when i first sent this..... so, here goes again. Hi there, anyone have, or know someone who has a 3S/GTE engine that is for sale.. rebuilt, or semi-low miles? Im looking to start modding my '2 heavily, and need a far more reliable engine than I currently have.. Email me with details, prices and other such relevant information.... Much Appreciated... Aiman Al-Khazaali ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 13:45:47 -0400 From: "Francis Ramirez" Subject: MR2 speeding ticket I know you have gone over this a million times but I just got a speeding ticket 15 over the speed limit I need to know how to get the cop to take of the points an input would be much appreciated thanks in advance Francis ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 22:12:50 -0700 From: "MR2UNLIMITED" Subject: >MR2 clutch problem? you need a T/O bearing time to pull the trans and replace it the bearing can get rusty with mosture over the years as far as the dealer paying for it no offense but your dreaming if its out of warrenty things wear if its by miles or time thats why they give a warrenty like 3yrs or 30,000 miles scott 91-n/a-black http://welcome.to/mr2unlimited > >Date: 30 Jul 1998 10:12 EDT >From: "Ken Tam" >Subject: MR2 clutch problem? > >esteemed list members, > >as the subject line says, i think i have a clutch problem. > >since i bought the car a couple months ago, i noticed that the clutch >makes a kinda scratchy sound whever it's engaged. sitting there at idle >the car is pretty quiet. then i step on the clutch pedal and whooaa >almost complete silence. and then i tried this: revved the engine to >about 3000 rpm put the clutch in and out, that scratchiness sound is >really noticeable as the clutch goes in and out. > >this really takes away from the sound and smoothness of the motor. any >ideas as to what could be causing this? i'm thinking release bearing or >maybe a finger on the pressure plate. is this a common thing with mr2's? >probably not. > >also, my car has unusually low mileage. do you guys think a letter to >toyota asking them to cover the fix or at least part of it (if indeed >there's one required) is out of the question? the car's obviously out of >warranty but it still has low mileage. my reasoning is that clutch >components don't wear with age but with mileage. makes sense? > >thanks, >ken 91t ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 01:29:27 EDT From: Mr2toy726@aol.com Subject: MR2 Best stock sized tire for MKII? Well now that my 91T lives again I need to get tires for it ASAP. I've been looking over Tire Rack and Discount Tire Direct. I want rims, but can't spare the cash right now..so 14" tires here I come. Here are my choices: Dunlop D60...at least they are cheap. Had them on my NA. They were tires. not great, not awful Yokohama A509's...I dunno. Still a decent price Yokohama AVS intermediates - I've heard these are awesome tires..but are they worth twice as much as the Dunlop D60's? What else is out there? Falkens? Who sells Falken's? Any suggestions are appreciated. Thanks, Aaron 91T ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 01:51:07 -0700 From: "Osman Parvez" Subject: Re: MR2 speeding ticket > > I know you have gone over this a million times but I just got a speeding > ticket 15 over the speed limit I need to know how to get the cop to take of > the points an input would be much appreciated > > thanks in advance > Francis Francis, I read a book a few years ago written by a retired NYS trooper. That $5.99 that I spent was worth more than the money I've spent on CB radios and Radar Detectors. I highly recommend you purchase and read it. It doesn't cover everything, but it covers alot. You *can* fight the ticket successfully. I haven't gotten a moving violation conviction in 5 years, and I certainly haven't stopped speeding. I looked it up on Amazon for you. Point your browser at: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0380717336/r/1202-3844972-168955 That'll bring you right to the book. I highly recommend it. It really isn't hard to beat the rap, so they say, but there is alot to it and you've left out alot of details for anyone to be of much assistance. Good luck. Osman Parvez Albany, NY 89 200q, TAP Chip, 171K (daily driver) 85 Mr2, 77K (in storage) 92 Miata, auto, 6K, For Sale (Mom's) 91 Cannondale 3.0 (always reliable) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 02:16:53 -0400 From: John Keller Subject: MR2 SC part needed !! > To All, > > I have need of the compleat steel bracket that supports the SC idler > pulley and mounts to the engine block. I have an 88 SC, but I would > think this part is the same for both years. > > I can't get my car back on the road without it. > > Thanks for any help anyone can give me. > > I also could use ANY ads that can be emailed to me for MR2 SC for over > $5000.00. I need to "establish" the value of my car to the insurance > company. > > John Keller > 88SC ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 14:18:32 +0800 From: "Ivan Wong" Subject: RE: MR2 New Brooklands MR2 Book I got the book here last week also... they sent all the way from the US to Hong Kong! The book is great (though its b&w), but I still love it and recommend it to any MR2 fans! Cheers, iVan 92/95T Red > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-mr2@slapshot.hockey.net > [mailto:owner-mr2@slapshot.hockey.net]On Behalf Of Jerry Hong > Sent: Friday, July 31, 1998 12:02 PM > To: bpj@sj.bigger.net > Cc: mr2-interest@mr2.com > Subject: Re: MR2 New Brooklands MR2 Book > > > They actually shipped that to you already?! I ordered one online, > excited at the prospect that I could finally get a book devoted to the > '2, but after two days, they sent me an e-mail saying it would take about > 3 months or more to get restocked with the Brooklands book. Did you > order from EWAcars.com? > > BTW, if anyone has the original "Toyota MR2 1984-1988" Brooklands and > would like to sell it, I'd pay good money for it. Or better yet, where > can I get a new one?? Write to Brooklands in UK? > > > "The heart has its reasons which reason knows not of." > -Blaise Pascal > > Jerry Hong > '88 SC, bookworm (for MR2's) > EB, NJ > > _____________________________________________________________________ > You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. > Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com > Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 23:25:16 -0700 From: "Fred Dimalanta" Subject: MR2 re: Fecal Prank I got one for you, but save this for the dead of winter. In a #10 coffee can, mix half jar mollasses half bottle pancake syrup lard from half pound bacon half jar peanut butter 1 jar jam or jelly 4 cups flour mix well at nighttime, dump mixture on windshield of selected victim's vehicle (wintertime, outside temp should be less than 30 degrees) allow to sit overnight or until victim comes out to go to work. At this point, outside temp should be around 20 frickin degrees, and your victim will find a pile of brown sticky gooey schtuff frozen to windshield. You and your friends will have a chock full o' fun with this one!!! Be the talk of the neighborhood! Fred Dimalanta '86na ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 11:44:02 -0700 From: Mike Dodd Subject: Re: >MR2 clutch problem? Yeah, I think I have the same problem. The scratchy sound isn't terrible, but noticible in first at low RPMs. I am about to have a friend change out my clutch, would those T/O bearings be included in the clutch kit, I rememeber Toyota saying 2 bearings were included in the $200 clutch kit for my 91 MR2 NA. MR2UNLIMITED wrote: > you need a T/O bearing time to pull the trans and replace it > > the bearing can get rusty with mosture over the years > > as far as the dealer paying for it no offense but your dreaming > if its out of warrenty > > things wear if its by miles or time thats why they give a warrenty like > 3yrs or 30,000 miles > > scott > 91-n/a-black > http://welcome.to/mr2unlimited > > > > >Date: 30 Jul 1998 10:12 EDT > >From: "Ken Tam" > >Subject: MR2 clutch problem? > > > >esteemed list members, > > > >as the subject line says, i think i have a clutch problem. > > > >since i bought the car a couple months ago, i noticed that the clutch > >makes a kinda scratchy sound whever it's engaged. sitting there at idle > >the car is pretty quiet. then i step on the clutch pedal and whooaa > >almost complete silence. and then i tried this: revved the engine to > >about 3000 rpm put the clutch in and out, that scratchiness sound is > >really noticeable as the clutch goes in and out. > > > >this really takes away from the sound and smoothness of the motor. any > >ideas as to what could be causing this? i'm thinking release bearing or > >maybe a finger on the pressure plate. is this a common thing with mr2's? > >probably not. > > > >also, my car has unusually low mileage. do you guys think a letter to > >toyota asking them to cover the fix or at least part of it (if indeed > >there's one required) is out of the question? the car's obviously out of > >warranty but it still has low mileage. my reasoning is that clutch > >components don't wear with age but with mileage. makes sense? > > > >thanks, > >ken 91t ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 09:03:49 +0100 From: "Dave C" Subject: MR2 refueling If I remember correctly, didn't one of the f1 cars catch fire last season during refueling? And that's with their special refueling methods. Maybe it's an American thing, but in the UK/SA, I've yet to see one person filling up with fuel while the engine is running. It's dangerous, not to mention the chances of your car being stolen while you go and pay for the fuel. Hell, I switch the engine off, close the windows and lock the bloody door before I go and pay for my petrol. Dave C. >I'm not condoning the pumping of gas while the engine is running, but what >about all those race cars? They all fill up while still running the engine, >don't they? Do they have any kinds of safeguards in place to prevent any of >those mis-haps previously mentioned in this thread? Any of you racers out >there want to chime in? > >James Ko >'91 NA ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 09:10:58 -0700 From: "Skyraker" Subject: Re: MR2 Pumping gas on idle I can see why you keep the engine running, turning the key to the 'off' position every time you have to fill up is such a pain in the arse... 8) Best Regards Des. Des Stockton Industrial Controls Engineer (apparently) Nova Controls Limited Tel : 01782 824866 Web : http://www.nova-controls.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 10:07:14 +0100 From: Mark Nias Subject: MR2: Models from Terry I'd just like to take this opportunity to thank Terry Saltsman for buying and supplying the MR2 models for everyone... i have mine built now... i tryed to make a copy of (my) full sized version and i'm quite pleased with it, all i have to do now is build a display case for it. It took me about 25 hours to complete. i've taken some (crap) pictures when it was about 97% finished, before beginning final touch-up painting and the decals, the images are on my website if anyone is interested (http://www.mr2.net/mr2). mark PS: Terry, money was delivered on 30th... everything ok? *----------------------------------------------------------* | Mark Nias - markn@jsb.co.uk | *----------------------------------------------------------* | http://www.mr2.net http://www.multivac.net | | markn@mr2.net markn@multivac.net | *----------------------------------------------------------* | 1988 Toyota MR2 (Supercharged) - IMOC: 1SC000006 | | Automatic/Power Windows+Locks+Mirrors/Air-Con/T-Bar | *----------------------------------------------------------* ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 02:45:41 -0700 From: winner Subject: Re: MR2 Pizza! Hey, I am a pizza delivery drive here in Las Vegas, and yes, I use my MR2 for it. I can fit 12 large pizzas in it. I have to slide the passanger seat way back and put 4 on the passanger side floor. The mr2's made for deliveries. i am almost the fastest driver in my shop, the first drives a turbo sprint(geo metro) and he does craziest things like running red lights when there's no cops. Lee - ---------- > From: Jerry Hong > To: arthurc@sfsu.edu > Cc: mr2-digest@mr2.com > Subject: Re: MR2 Pizza! > Date: Thursday, July 30, 1998 9:02 PM > > > > Petaluma, California -- what a high-class place! I saw a red Mark I > >driving down the street with a big "Mary's Pizza Delivery" sign on > >top. I > >drive a Mark I, and I wonder if they have to tell customers "No pizza > >delivery bigger than MEDIUM please." :<) > > Ha ha ha... But on the other hand, since it's an MR2, they could > advertise, "Pizza delivered in 5 minutes or your money back." =) > > > "The heart has its reasons which reason knows not of." > -Blaise Pascal > > Jerry C. > '88 SC, delivering just people & smiles > EB, NJ > > _____________________________________________________________________ > You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. > Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com > Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 06:37:59 -0400 From: "Simon Soong" Subject: MR2 MKII Valve Oil Seals I brought my 92NA last week and it has 70k miles. There is blue smoke coming out from the tailpipe when I start the car in the morning. My friend said the valve oil seals may be worn out and it is a common problem in 5S-FE engine. Is it expensive to replace the valve oil seals? Is it really necessary to replace it? Thanks Simon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 11:38:08 +0100 From: Ian_Rouse@csme.canon.co.uk Subject: MR2 pumping with engine on How difficult is it to turn off your engine? If you've got a Turbo just let it idle for a minute before pulling to the Pump, surely? You'll see in racing circles the pit-crews have fireproof suits, fire extinguishers are around everywhere and people are ready for what could well happen - and does happen on occasion..... You're pumping fuel, vapour is escaping whilst you do it. You don't need to actually douse the engine in fuel for it to ignite, all it needs is the vapour to find an ignition source. In a '2 with the engine right next to the filler this is surely doubly dangerous? a loose connection somewhere, which you may not be aware of, or a bad earth shorting to the chassis is all it would need. Where is the comparison of pumping fuel all over the door-switch? if that happened everytime you filled up then OK, valid idea. If it did happen then sure - you've raised the chance of having a MR2 barbeque. Let's have some common sense out there.... There will always be a slim chance of ignition from another source, but it is best to minimise risks like this is it not? If you want to raise the chance of killing yourself, do it on you're own time and don't endanger others. Just think what COULD happen... Ian 87 t-bar >>>>>>>>>>>>> The only way that I could see a fire starting is for the gas to be directly applied to something that was making a spark--a faulty ignition system, for example. But to do that, you would have to really go out of your way to take the filler hose, open the engine and douse it with gasoline. If your intention was to start a fire, it would be far easier to just do it with a match or lighter. For that matter, dousing gas on the door switch that causes your dome light to go on/off could cause a fire--without your engine even being on. Honestly, the real problem here is if a running, non-attended car were to drive into a gas pump--there's a problem (especially if it's an automatic). Otherwise, there's no *real* added danger of starting a fire. ------------------------------ End of mr2-digest V2 #1196