mr2-digest Thursday, October 15 1998 Volume 02 : Number 1731 MR2 TURBO vs 99 COUGAR Re: MR2 MKII SSR Integrals Re: MR2 -MKII- MR2 TURBO vs 99 COUGAR MR2 MKII front brakes re:MR2 WTB: Toyota Parts CD Problem w/ door, & "Cougar v. MR2" controversy Re: MR2 MR2 TURBO vs 99 COUGAR Problem w/ door, & "Cougar v. MR2" controversy pt.2 MR2 Willow Springs events Re: MR2 Dumb seatbelt question Re: MR2 MkII NA: Cheap K&N Re: MR2 MR2 TURBO vs 99 COUGAR Re: MR2 MR2 TURBO vs 99 COUGAR Re: MR2 MkII Dorr light problem MR2 door problem Re: MR2 MkII NA: Cheap K&N MR2 kickback? holdback? Re: MR2 MR2 TURBO vs 99 COUGAR ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 12:16:39 -0500 From: "P. Feret" Subject: MR2 TURBO vs 99 COUGAR Hmm. Cougar -- MR2 Turbo. My car -- '93Turbo -- Tops on, windows up = ~149mph, full boost, 6900rpm, once and never again. Cougar? Why would I *want* to drive a cougar? 140 mph in a mercury product, with front wheel drive? Huh? Are you nuts? As my favorite saying from college days goes: "...drink, and try again..." Pete F. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 10:19:25 -0700 From: Mike Chou Subject: Re: MR2 MKII SSR Integrals > yes, I have a set of these on my soon to be Drag car... they weigh less than > plastic it seems... Sweee-eee-eet.... > but watch out if you have tire shops change your tires... I had them move from > the 21 MM lugs up front to the 19MM Z-speed lugs in the back with their air > wrench and imediately destroy my lugs.... they came off... but he had to bang > them out of the socket... they were completely munched..... they replaced them > a week later... > > Austin T Well mie should come with tires mounted and balanced so I'll just torue 'em on myself. So umm, the new lugnuts are different size or the Z-speed are different size? That's weird that they have different sizes on the outside.. Mike C ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 13:23:32 EDT From: "Russell Tripp" Subject: Re: MR2 -MKII- MR2 TURBO vs 99 COUGAR >Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 08:04:08 -0400 >From: JEFF DAVIES >To: mr2-interest@mr2.com >Subject: MR2 MR2 TURBO vs 99 COUGAR > >me and a guy from work are arguing that his 99 cougar can reach a higher top speed than my 92 turbo. he said he has had >it up to 140 and had room to go. You also can't rely on speedometer readings - probably the least accurate way available to get top speed numbers. > being the law biding citizen that I am (4 speeding tickets in 1 year) I am not willing to try it >out. what do you guys think. does any one know what it really can do. I asked about the August SCC but it wasn't in there ( >some test drive hun). can anyone give me a educated guest or some hard core faces thanks a lot. > >JEFF DAVIES >92 TURBO SUPER WHITE >BALTIMORE, MD > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Oct 98 11:31:00 P From: Ralph Hill Subject: MR2 MKII front brakes I have a 92 NA with 83k miles (I only did the last 2k). I need new front pads. I have read the BGB and Marc Summers article in the FAQ on intalling Carbon Kevlar pads. I seem to remember from a discussion several months ago, that for normal street and occasional autoX use, the genuine Toyota pads are just fine. I have this right? ralph hill 92 NA that is getting ready for Street School at Thunderhill ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 17:42:06 GMT From: bobkoure@ma.ultranet.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Bob_Kour=E9?=) Subject: re:MR2 WTB: Toyota Parts CD Are these a Toyota part? Available the same way the BGB is? Or are they a dealer-only item? Bob PS: Yeah, I'd like one of these, too - didn't know they were available, etc... On Wed, 14 Oct 1998 22:28:02 -0500, "Chris King" wrote: >In need of a Toyota Parts CD. Does someone still have these available??? > >Chris K. >Yellow 93 Turbo ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 13:56:29 EDT From: DCVRMTRS@aol.com Subject: Problem w/ door, & "Cougar v. MR2" controversy I just got back from an exchange meeting w/ my girlfriend. I got her '91 MR2 n/a... (...and gave her my '91 MR2t for awhile, Auughh! She keeps saying, "Wow, this car is MUCH FASTER when I nail the accellerator!" [NAIL???] I keep asking her "DID YOU REMEMBER to LET IT IDLE?" She asks "What did you tell me to do when I'm parking, before I turn it off??? Auugh! Oh, well....) Anyway, Her car seems to have a problem w/ the driver's door. Namely IT DOES NOT OPEN OR CLOSE!!! (Y'all should have seen me driving back from 'Naw'leans, LA [where we met & exchanged cars], climbing out of the window at gas stops! I go about 5'11", 275!!!) Has anyone ever heard of such? She has the power door, and the switch doesn't work either for the driver's door. When I try to use the key in the door, it simply will not turn. I'm gonna take it to my mechanic now...just wondering, though... Help appreciated, Craig Washington II, owner, Discovery Motorcars 2323 Caroline St., Houston, Texas (713) 303-2277 MY FLEET : |-----------------------------------------------| | '92 Subaru SVX Lsi Black "C-WASH.2" | | '91 Toyota MR2 Turbo "Bluilver" "CAW2" | | '91 Toyota MR2 n/a, Crimson Red (my SNO's car!) | | '91 Mazda MX5 B-pkge Silver "CRAIG-E" | | '91 Ford Explorer E.B. Maroon/Tan | | '93 Dodge Intrepid ES Black/Gray | |-----------------------------------------------| WTB: '93+ Honda Del Sol w/ "TRANSTOP" automatic targa top! (is it possible?) '91 Eagle Talon Tsi AWD [5-spd., ABS], '87- MR2 Mk1 WRECKED [for convertible project!] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 13:57:11 -0400 From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" Subject: Re: MR2 MR2 TURBO vs 99 COUGAR Don't forget your Probe was mostly a Mazda! Glenn Dysart dysart@bigfoot.com 93 MR2 turbo 87 Corolla SR5 >Agreed, but this is 1999. I prefer to hold off judgement until it's proven. > My '95 Probe GT was a fantastic car, no problems at all. Slow in comparison >to a turbo MR2, but... :-) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 14:01:50 EDT From: DCVRMTRS@aol.com Subject: Problem w/ door, & "Cougar v. MR2" controversy pt.2 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --part0_908474511_boundary Content-ID: <0_908474511@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Whoops! Forgot about the Cougar v. Mr2 Deal (probably best) I serously doubt that the Cougar can do ANYTHING that the MR2 Can't, But hey, let's be serious! The damn Cougar is a '99 model? It's almost a decade older than the MR2 Mk2 design, and even much older than the '93 improved (Mk2.5?) model! Put a new $15k econobox next to one from 1991, and see who kicks ass! Anyway, while Mercury stamps out 1.25 million of those (albet CUTE!) Cougars, we'll still have a unique looking neo-NSX, ladies and gents! ...Plus, let's check on the Mercury in 2009-2010, and see what's what! ...THERE(!), Craig Washington II, owner, Discovery Motorcars 2323 Caroline St., Houston, Texas (713) 303-2277 MY FLEET : |-----------------------------------------------| | '92 Subaru SVX Lsi Black "C-WASH.2" | | '91 Toyota MR2 Turbo "Bluilver" "CAW2" | | '91 Toyota MR2 n/a, Crimson Red (my SNO's car!) | | '91 Mazda MX5 B-pkge Silver "CRAIG-E" | | '91 Ford Explorer E.B. Maroon/Tan | | '93 Dodge Intrepid ES Black/Gray | |-----------------------------------------------| WTB: '93+ Honda Del Sol w/ "TRANSTOP" automatic targa top! (is it possible?) '91 Eagle Talon Tsi AWD [5-spd., ABS], '87- MR2 Mk1 WRECKED [for convertible project!] - --part0_908474511_boundary Content-ID: <0_908474511@inet_out.mail.aol.com.2> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: DCVRMTRS@aol.com Return-path: To: mr2-digest@mr2.com Subject: Problem w/ door, & "Cougar v. MR2" controversy Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 13:56:29 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I just got back from an exchange meeting w/ my girlfriend. I got her '91 MR2 n/a... (...and gave her my '91 MR2t for awhile, Auughh! She keeps saying, "Wow, this car is MUCH FASTER when I nail the accellerator!" [NAIL???] I keep asking her "DID YOU REMEMBER to LET IT IDLE?" She asks "What did you tell me to do when I'm parking, before I turn it off??? Auugh! Oh, well....) Anyway, Her car seems to have a problem w/ the driver's door. Namely IT DOES NOT OPEN OR CLOSE!!! (Y'all should have seen me driving back from 'Naw'leans, LA [where we met & exchanged cars], climbing out of the window at gas stops! I go about 5'11", 275!!!) Has anyone ever heard of such? She has the power door, and the switch doesn't work either for the driver's door. When I try to use the key in the door, it simply will not turn. I'm gonna take it to my mechanic now...just wondering, though... Help appreciated, Craig Washington II, owner, Discovery Motorcars 2323 Caroline St., Houston, Texas (713) 303-2277 MY FLEET : |-----------------------------------------------| | '92 Subaru SVX Lsi Black "C-WASH.2" | | '91 Toyota MR2 Turbo "Bluilver" "CAW2" | | '91 Toyota MR2 n/a, Crimson Red (my SNO's car!) | | '91 Mazda MX5 B-pkge Silver "CRAIG-E" | | '91 Ford Explorer E.B. Maroon/Tan | | '93 Dodge Intrepid ES Black/Gray | |-----------------------------------------------| WTB: '93+ Honda Del Sol w/ "TRANSTOP" automatic targa top! (is it possible?) '91 Eagle Talon Tsi AWD [5-spd., ABS], '87- MR2 Mk1 WRECKED [for convertible project!] - --part0_908474511_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 11:20:48 -0800 From: karim.marouf@cancom.com Subject: MR2 Willow Springs events There are two events at Willow Springs coming up: Oct 31-Nov1: Streets of Willow --not sure what the cost is, but I'm guessing it'll be $120. The event is run by the Porsche Club. A good group of enthusiasts and lots of track time. Dec 12-13: Willow Springs big track ---this is run by Open Track. It's $100 for one day or $175 for both. If three people go, the third person goes free. That's cheaper than any other club. I'll be going to both events. If anyone's interested in joining me, let me know. ***************************************************** Karim Marouf Canon Communications LLC Tel: 310-392-5509 Fax: 310-392-4920 Internet Address: karim.marouf@cancom.com Home Page: http://www.cancom.com ***************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 11:03:14 -0700 From: Randy Chase Subject: Re: MR2 Dumb seatbelt question Bob Kouré wrote: > > Hi All, > I'm wondering if there is some way to get the lap portion of my seat > belt (MR2T MKII if it matters) to cinch down - preferably *without* > cinching the shoulder portion as well. Some kind of aftermarket > snubber? Here is how it's done by autocrossers that want to be held in their seat, but do not have a harness (Note, I am not recommending this for street use). Take the lap belt and pull it to plug it in as normal, but stop about 4" short. Now, twist it a few times. Now plug it in. The twisting will stop the lap belt from sliding and with some adjustments for your physique, you will be snug as a presidential cigar. Otherwise, I recommend a harness. Randy Chase ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 14:17:26 EDT From: MR2Turbo91@aol.com Subject: Re: MR2 MkII NA: Cheap K&N In a message dated 98-10-15 12:27:14 EDT, daucott@ford.com writes: > This is also how many car > dealerships > > work... usually this kickback is somewhere in the neighborhood of 5%.. > > that's how they sell it to you at > > > > "$500 over invoice" > > "at invoice pricing" > > or "below invoice pricing" > > Not quite. The "invoice" contains a holdback amount the dealer makes even > if > he sells at invoice price. Anything above that is gravy. So, don't be > afraid > to demand invoice on the price, since he is already making a small > percentage. > Of course if the demand is hot for the car he may only sell at dealer list, > or > somewhere in between. If he sells below invoice it will never be at an > amount > below the holdback or he'd be losing money. > > -- > Dave A. Isn't that what I said???? if not, how are we different? I said "the dealer gets a kickback on every car they sell, that's how they can sell at invoice pricing" Austin T ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 14:18:21 -0400 From: "David Aucott" Subject: Re: MR2 MR2 TURBO vs 99 COUGAR > Don't forget your Probe was mostly a Mazda! Heh, is that supposed to be a good thing? I don't know of any company that has worse reliability than Mazda. Everyone I know who's owned one, except for the Miata, has had nothing but trouble. They also have some pretty awful resale value (checked the price on an RX7 or Millenia lately?). Anyway, the car was penned (styled) by Ford and engineered by Mazda. It was assembled at a joint facility in Flat Rock, Michigan. My only bitch is that the suspension is all wrong - it bounces down the highway from being either over damped or over sprung, or just a bad combination of both. I drive VERY stiff cars and it's not what I'm talking about. The next Probe I get will benefit from Eibach Prokit (or similar) and some adjustable Tokicos. - -- Dave A. '93T, 86NA ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 14:25:02 -0400 From: matchpoint.jch@juno.com (Jerry Hong) Subject: Re: MR2 MR2 TURBO vs 99 COUGAR I don't see what redline has to do with anything, most cars can't pull to redline in their highest gear. Well ratioed cars can just about reach their highest speed at the RPM which HP peaks, usually a bit less. Regardless, it's pretty much a moot point because we all agree that a Cougar can't top a MR2 in speed (or much else). Still, I've driven one, and it IS a nice car. "The heart has its reasons which reason knows not of." -Blaise Pascal Jerry Hong '88SC EB, NJ USA On Thu, 15 Oct 1998 09:53:25 -0400 "Tony Wang" writes: >The rated top speed is 137 for the 99 Cougar. It wouldn't doubt that >it can >hit 140. I do doubt it could go far beyond that. > >You can try using the "simple math" approach. > >(1) Show him this picture: ftp://ftp.mr2.com/pub/geoff/mr2/zoom.jpg >(2) 136mph at 6240RPM means that at 7000RPM it'd be going 152mph. >(3) MR2 redline is 7250RPM, so you'd have "room to go". >(4) Ask him what his final ratio is. > >Don't forget to ask him what the hell he was doing going 140 (I assume >not >on a track, otherwise he probably would've found out how much more >"room he >had to go"). > >Tony >93T > >> me and a guy from work are arguing that his 99 cougar can reach a >> higher top speed than my 92 turbo. he said he has had >> it up to 140 and had room to go. being the law biding citizen >> that I am (4 speeding tickets in 1 year) I am not willing to try it >> out. what do you guys think. does any one know what it really can >> do. I asked about the August SCC but it wasn't in there ( >> some test drive hun). can anyone give me a educated guest or some >> hard core faces thanks a lot. >> >> JEFF DAVIES >> 92 TURBO SUPER WHITE >> BALTIMORE, MD >> > > ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 14:23:02 EDT From: MR2Turbo91@aol.com Subject: Re: MR2 MkII Dorr light problem In a message dated 98-10-15 14:20:47 EDT, ksato@infowave.net writes: > An '89 mk2 turbo? could someone please enlighten me on this? > > Koji Sato > '91 Mid-Engine, RWD, 2 seater Turbo tony is our good friend/corospondant in Japan... Japan usually gets the new models a year or two before the rest of the world Austin T ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 14:27:36 EDT From: MR2Turbo91@aol.com Subject: MR2 door problem In a message dated 98-10-15 14:21:00 EDT, DCVRMTRS@aol.com writes: > Anyway, Her car seems to have a problem w/ the driver's door. Namely IT DOES > NOT OPEN OR CLOSE!!! (Y'all should have seen me driving back from 'Naw'leans, > > LA [where we met & exchanged cars], climbing out of the window at gas stops! > I > go about 5'11", 275!!!) YEEEEE HAAAAWWWWWW And who said that Bow and Luke Duke were'nt popular any more? > > Has anyone ever heard of such? She has the power door, and the switch doesn' > t > work either for the driver's door. When I try to use the key in the door, it > simply will not turn. I'm gonna take it to my mechanic now...just wondering, > though... ok, the first clue would be the bright orange paint job....... Does the car have a big confederate flag on the roof? Does it read "general Lee" above each door? how bout a big "01" on the door? just kidding... probably there is either a broken plastic clip inside the door somewhere, either that or one of the rods got bent... > > Help appreciated, > > Craig Washington II, owner, Discovery Motorcars > 2323 Caroline St., Houston, Texas (713) 303-2277 doesn't sound major... just labor intensive... Austin T ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 14:29:39 -0400 From: "David Aucott" Subject: Re: MR2 MkII NA: Cheap K&N > Isn't that what I said???? > > if not, how are we different? > > I said "the dealer gets a kickback on every car they sell, that's how they can > sell at invoice pricing" I guess my definition of the word "kickback" is different. The dealer pays the parent company for a car, then charges invoice. There is a difference between the two and it's called the dealer holdback. To me a "kickback" is when the car is sold and then the dealer receives a sum of money from the parent company. >From my knowledge the only time a dealer gets a "kickback" is when they have a coupon that is sponsered by the company (rebate or incentive) or if the vehicle is sold to a company employee at the "invoice less holdback" price. In that case the dealer does get a kickback from the company of some percentage. - -- Dave A. '93T, 86NA ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 14:38:18 EDT From: MR2Turbo91@aol.com Subject: MR2 kickback? holdback? Thanks for the clarification. Talk to you later Austin T In a message dated 98-10-15 14:36:18 EDT, you write: > > I guess my definition of the word "kickback" is different. The dealer pays > the > parent company for a car, then charges invoice. There is a difference > between > the two and it's called the dealer holdback. To me a "kickback" is when the > car is sold and then the dealer receives a sum of money from the parent > company. > > >From my knowledge the only time a dealer gets a "kickback" is when they > have a > coupon that is sponsered by the company (rebate or incentive) or if the > vehicle > is sold to a company employee at the "invoice less holdback" price. In that > case the dealer does get a kickback from the company of some percentage. > > > -- > Dave A. > '93T, 86NA ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 14:41:34 -0400 From: matchpoint.jch@juno.com (Jerry Hong) Subject: Re: MR2 MR2 TURBO vs 99 COUGAR Interesting thought... I know the Probe and MX-6 was a project between Ford and Mazda, but which company had more invested in the car? Were they built on the same platform? Which company designed the cars? "The heart has its reasons which reason knows not of." -Blaise Pascal Jerry Hong '88SC EB, NJ USA On Thu, 15 Oct 1998 13:57:11 -0400 "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" writes: >Don't forget your Probe was mostly a Mazda! > >Glenn Dysart >dysart@bigfoot.com > >93 MR2 turbo >87 Corolla SR5 > >>Agreed, but this is 1999. I prefer to hold off judgement until it's >proven. >> My '95 Probe GT was a fantastic car, no problems at all. Slow in >comparison >>to a turbo MR2, but... :-) > > ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ End of mr2-digest V2 #1731