mr2-digest         Friday, November 20 1998         Volume 02 : Number 1961



MR2 Tokico Vs. Monroe
MR2 3SGTE Flywheel weight
RE: MR2 Redline MT90
MR2 Oxy Sensor Question
MR2 MKI Chrome wipers
Re: MR2 Tokico Vs. Monroe
MR2 Advisory -Altered Geometry FWD Suspensions
Re: MR2 UK Petrol Prices
MR2 MK1 SC Vacuum Rubber Pipes
Re: MKI NA Intake (was:MR2 RMS MKII NA group purchase UPDATE)
Re: MR2 MKI on TV
MR2 MKII Floor mats
MR2 HKS SUPER POWER FLOW
MR2 MK2: Gearbox question
Re: MR2 Redline MT-90 and others
MR2 In Colorado Springs
RE: imoc-uk MR2 MK2: Gearbox question

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Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 23:15:02 -0800 (PST)
From: Daniel Lenz <mirror@loop.com>
Subject: MR2 Tokico Vs. Monroe

This may be a dumb question, but why does everyone use Tokico struts?
Most of the posts I've read are <underline>negative</underline> as far
the ride on the street and from what I can tell you feel every little
bump and slam on the big one's. If I'm going to be driving mostly
street, maybe canyons on the weekends, and the once a year trip to the
track, wouldn't I get a much better ride with good old Monroe
Gas-Matics. Along with a good set of Eibach springs is there really
that much of a difference with performance struts like the Tokico's.
Enlighten me....


Thanks.


Daniel


P.S. Would the Monroe's be a problem if the car is lowered?

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Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 02:40:30 EST
From: Mr2toy726@aol.com
Subject: MR2 3SGTE Flywheel weight

Just how light are lightened flywheels? 

I pulled the flywheel off my 91T last night/this morning and was actually
suprised by its weight...or actually lack of weight.  I put it on my bathroom
scales (used primarily for weighing nitrous bottles :-) and it said 15 lbs.
That seems pretty light to me.

Plus the resurfacing will shed a few ounces off.

Thanks,

Aaron
91 nitrous'd turbo MR2

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Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 01:52:29 -0600
From: geno@ethosnet.com
Subject: RE: MR2 Redline MT90

yeah, they don't recommend it at all for MKII's at least.

then again, they thought that MR2s needed hypoid lube, and it is not a
hypoid gear on the ring and pinion according to the parts CD.

but MT-90 does make shifts smoother.  and can be mixed with the other
75W90 oils (according to Redline).

Geno

Geno Salvati
93t
92na (no longer)

www.ethosnet.com/geno
geno@ethosnet.com
 


- -----Original Message-----
From: TerrySaltzman@home.com [mailto:TerrySaltzman@home.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 1998 4:15 PM
To: rxcheng@worldnet.att.net; mr2-digest@mr2.com
Subject: MR2 Redline MT90



the 91 tranny should not be using MT90. the folks at redline sed 
this not me.

terry

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Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 21:15:10 +1300
From: "Richard Doig" <rd@orcon.co.nz>
Subject: MR2 Oxy Sensor Question

Hey ya

I am getting a bit suspect of my O2 sensor (just the way the air'fuel meter
is acting lately).

Instead of forking out heaps for another can I use a 4 wire one I have here?
The original is single wire.

I could hook up 12V and earth easy,  my question regards the fourth wire
(HTR) from the ECU.  Is this just used as an internal switch to activate the
heater circuit or am I on the wrong track?

Richard
1987 Celica GT-Four

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Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 00:37:22 -0800 (PST)
From: Daniel Lenz <mirror@loop.com>
Subject: MR2 MKI Chrome wipers

I saw an MR2 today with very cool chrome windshield wipers. Anybody know
who makes something like this.

Daniel

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Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 22:49:26 -0800
From: Randy Chase <randyc2@home.com>
Subject: Re: MR2 Tokico Vs. Monroe

Daniel Lenz wrote:
> 
> This may be a dumb question, but why does everyone use Tokico struts? >Most of the posts I've read are negative as far the ride on the street >and from what I can tell you feel every little bump and slam on the big >one's. If I'm going to be driving mostly street, maybe canyons on the >weekends, and the once a year trip to the track, wouldn't I get a much >better ride with good old Monroe Gas-Matics. Along with a good set of >Eibach springs is there really that much of a difference with >performance struts like the Tokico's. Enlighten me....

Not a dumb question. How shocks feel is somewhat subjective. I an tell
you that I don't think the Tokicos are too stiff for the street. You can
adjust them down to pretty soft (close to stock) and I normally left the
rears full stiff for street.

If you upgrade springs, you should also upgrade struts. I question why
you have no problem with upgraded (stiffer) springs and don't want to do
the struts?

Big advantage for Tokicos is that for a small increase in price, you
have adjustability. This is a big thing for tuning your handling, as you
can soften or stiffen each end of the car. I sure wouldn't want to do
Canyons on the weekends and track once a year without some tunability.

"Tunability"...the ability of a fish to make a good sandwich. Sorry.
It's late.

Randy Chase ....now selling off a some of his Laserdisc movies:
http://www.sandiegocrusaders.com/eBay/laserdiscs.html
Help fund the new car and home addition. Thank you. 8)
'91 MR2 NA

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Date: Fri, 20 Nov 98 02:39:07 -0000
From: <asjoseph@as.net>
Subject: MR2 Advisory -Altered Geometry FWD Suspensions

Dear Digest,

     It might not be a bad idea the next time you encounter a modified 
FWD to give them a wide birth. Today, on my way to work, a saw a real 
nice Honda buy some concrete on the southbound 405. Damned near took me 
with him. Inches... Too many close calls lately. Makes wonder if my 
number's coming up...  

     As I motored down the freeway in the daily driver, I passed by a 
number of cars as they squeezed into free flowing traffic from the on 
ramp, and took notice of a flashy Honda. He came on to the freeway behind 
several cars ahead of him, all of them trying to peel onto the freeway, 
forcing through traffic into lanes further to the left to accomodate 
them. Ahead of him was one of those little old ladies that think getting 
onto the freeway at 25 miles per hour is socially acceptable. I scooted 
over into the number two lane, and went past them all. 

     The Honda guy at the tail end, I could see, put his foot into it. 
Banking over some five lanes directly into the fast lane, I followed the 
guy, from my passenger side mirror, to my rear view mirror, then to my 
driver's side mirror thinking: "why in hell do I never run into these 
guys when I'm driving the MR2?" Like that, he was quickly around every 
one of the cars previously in front of him.  

     Peeking into my left mirror as he approached, then out my driver's 
side window as he slowly went by, that was a real fine Honda. However, I 
didn't get much time to think about it. Suddenly, shades of Al Unser Jr 
and Chip Ganassi at Michigan, the guy violently banked across my front 
fender, arcing across the lanes toward the right shoulder! He was in some 
kind of trouble, but: so was I, in that I had absolutely no place to go 
in my daily driver, a Subaru with 400k miles and a master cylinder that I 
really should have replaced in 1996. 

     I couldn't go left until I reduced my speed to one lower than his, 
so... I went with him, across some four lanes or so as we vectored ever 
closer, me down hard on the brakes. I never looked in the mirrors, but it 
must have been like pachinko behind me, cars darting everywhere. 
Initially locking 'm up, I modulated, backing off my violently pulsating 
petal, I reapplied and got my brakes back, and it was just enough to buy 
me room to scissor-left. I damned near T-boned him, but he slipped right 
by; couple feet to spare. As he was heading toward wall, that's when I 
saw what put him there... his front left suspension collapsed (!). The 
tyre occupied the extreme upper right quadrant of the wheel whel as he 
then careened off onto the shoulder, colliding mildly into the wall.

     I've heard of two other Honda guys with trick suspensions who 
similarly got into trouble this year. As I got to work and booted up my 
GUSx software, I pondered at how delicate those FWD suspensions are, how 
today's engineers ask the front tyres to do too much, and I wondered 
whether some percentage of the aftermarket parts Honda guys are buying 
these days might not be as roadworthy, or as well engineered as they 
think are. With all the aftermarket parts available for Hondas, I'm 
wondering if a scant few aftermarket firms are cutting corners to attain 
a cost advantage. But then, who knows: Maybe the guy just sheared his 
lugs. One thing for sure, though: I'll look alive everytime I see a 
lowered front driver. I don't know if I trust those guys anymore.  

     Guys who clip their OEM springs tend to porpoise. But, not that 
Honda. It looked as solid as a rock, right up until I almost bought the 
farm. I don't know how whatever it was in my blindspot today missed me. 
Tough luck this month: The waterbed popped. 300 odd gallons... And, I've 
been hopeful that whoever broke into the Subaru Tuesday is kind enough to 
at least return my drivers license, my social security card, and my 
school ID. Today, yet another test behind the wheel? Too many close calls 
this year. 
 
 -Sammy Joseph , '88 4AGZE 

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    Lancaster, CA 93534
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Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 02:48:08 PST
From: "Gordon Tyrrell" <gtyrrell@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: MR2 UK Petrol Prices

You lucky bastard. 20pounds for 250miles of driving???? I use 98octane 
here in Ireland and I get 200-240miles from 34pounds of petrol. 
:-)

Gordon
Dublin, Ireland
Red 1995 MR2 GT-S Turbo (japanese import)
14.5psi
RMS Ram Air        (suckkkkk air)
RMS DESP Exhaust   (blowwwww air)
ZEN Blow Off Valve (hissssss air)
ICQ: 10194614 SoreHead
Web: http://fly.to/mr2.ie


>Just to brighten up your US day,=20
>unleaded 62p a litre
>super unleaded about 70p
>4 star even more
>	Gutty, i pay =A320 for 200-250miles of driving, Nick.
>


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Date: 20 Nov 1998 12:54:53 +0100
From: Attif RAFIQUE <Attif.Rafique@transport.alstom.com>
Subject: MR2 MK1 SC Vacuum Rubber Pipes

I have just bought a japanese imported Supercharged MR2.
I was hoping some one could help me, by sending me information as to where all the vacuum rubber pipes go in the engine, the one I bought had been messed about with and I wanted to correct them.
Would this be possible, I would be very grateful.

My email address is attif.rafique@transport.alstom.com

Cheers

Attif

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Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 07:14:51 -0600
From: tkewley@ix.netcom.com
Subject: Re: MKI NA Intake (was:MR2 RMS MKII NA group purchase UPDATE)

David Hawkins wrote:

> > Any chance they're developing an intake system for the Mk I?  If not, how
> > can we convince them to???
>
> If he doesn't, Twos R Us will....
>
> David Hawkins
> http://www.twosrus.com

 If you can come up with something for group or individual purchase (that
actually gives a hp boost, of course) at around that same price point ($130),
let me go on record as saying I'M IN!  Anybody else?

- --
Todd Kewley
'89 Supra NA
'85 MR2

"People are stupid" - Paul Reiser

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Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 07:39:21 -0600
From: "Ron Rutledge" <ronrut@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: MR2 MKI on TV

.....with the sunroof opened.  saw it!
- -----Original Message-----
From: Chris Conrad <conrad5@tcnj.edu>
To: MR2 <mr2-interest@mr2.com>
Date: Thursday, November 19, 1998 9:29 PM
Subject: MR2 MKI on TV


>There was a red 1986 (I think) MKI on Fox's latest hidden cam show, Caught
>on Tape III. It can be seen when the rich guy is begging for money. It is a
>close up of the front, and on the screen for a while.
>
>___________________________________________________
>Chris Conrad
>1991 Crimson Red MR2 MKII NA
>1985 Metallic Blue MR2 MKI NA
>Mid-Atlantic MR2 Owner's Club
>http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Speedway/6819/njimoc.html
>
>

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Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 07:56:34 -0600
From: Jason Dinkins <jdinkins@hiwaay.net>
Subject: MR2 MKII Floor mats

Is toyota the only place I'll be able to pick up mr2 mats?

Take care,
Jason
91T

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Date: Fri, 20 Nov 98 6:07:48 PST
From: marcs@tdd.hbo.nec.com (Marc Summers)
Subject: MR2 HKS SUPER POWER FLOW

Hello Ken, Falco, and all:

Ken, my experience with HKS super power flow over the last 5 years has
be quite good.  
The HKS filter, when properly cleaned and reoiled works very well.
I find no sand, dirt or such in my intake after the filter.

It is quite a simple proceedure to clean the HKS filter.
I purchased two of the filter elements, and alternate them.
This method, with two filter elements, has worked for over 5 
years now, and the filter elements are still in very good shape.

I currently use Griot's Garage Penetrating Lubricant spray
which is a very sticky oil, to reoil the filters, and since
it is in a spray can, it makes it very easy to apply.

I also use Kano Labs (www.kanolabs.com) Floway to clean the filters.
Floway works very good and very fast, and easily rinses out with
water.

Sorry to hear that you had a difficult time with the HKS.

And I have driven MR2's with the K&N filter and mine of course
with the HKS, and I would not say that the HKS is any
louder than the K&N.

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Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 14:26:25 -0000
From: Mark Nias <markn@jsb.co.uk>
Subject: MR2 MK2: Gearbox question

I have a couple of friends who both seem to have a similar problem with
their mk2's

one is a 94 uk spec GT, and the other is a japanese 92 turbo.

they both complain of very hard 1st to 2nd shifts, they are both very
low milage, esp. the turbo which is about 30,000 miles.

anyone have any suggestions to pass on to them?, or is this problem
documented somewhere..

thanks!

mark

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Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 13:52:08 +0100
From: vassilios.bertakis@zurich.com
Subject: Re: MR2 Redline MT-90 and others

As I posted before, the possibly best oil you can put into your (usualy)
noisy tranny is the CASTROL SAE-XJ which is a 75W-140 and tops the GL-5
standard that is recomended by Toyota for the MR2 and mandatory on LSD
equiped cars.

I used it and I am more than satisfied. The noise has reduced significant
and shifting has improved.

The SAE-XJ is not available in USA (due to Castrol USA info) but I am
willing to get it for those who are interested.

Silo
Germany
- -------

now this is strange. i just put mt-90 in my 91t and everything seems
fine so far. however, it's only been in my tranny for a couple weeks. so
far i love it.

but i remember different sources saying it's ok to use then others
saying it isn't. i can't remember what the faq said. so what's the
alternative from redline? MTL? i realize that MT-90 isn't a GL-5 lube
like toyota recommends nor does the Redline bottle claim that it can be
used as a GL-5. but isn't it supposed to have some sort of friction
modifiers or something that makes synchro's work better? what are the
drawbacks or potential nightmares that could occur from using MT-90?

it'd be interesting to hear from other Redline tranny fluid users on
this list and what experiences they've had.....

cheers,
ken 91t

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Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 08:27:17 -0700
From: goodmatt@juno.com (Matt S Ledbetter)
Subject: MR2 In Colorado Springs

I spotted a nice '93ish Aquamarine Pearl MR2 on Academy Blvd last
night.... It had a huge exhaust and some type of custom wheels.... I'm
pretty sure it had a temp tag also.... If you are on the list, please
drop me an email.

Thanks....

- -Matt
'88 Twincharged
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Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 15:20:20 -0000
From: "Formesyn,BCH,NAR5 FORMESBC M" <ben.formesyn@bt.com>
Subject: RE: imoc-uk MR2 MK2: Gearbox question

Mark,

> From: Mark Nias [mailto:markn@jsb.co.uk]
> I have a couple of friends who both seem to have a similar 
> problem with
> their mk2's
> 
> one is a 94 uk spec GT, and the other is a japanese 92 turbo.
> 
> they both complain of very hard 1st to 2nd shifts, they are both very
> low milage, esp. the turbo which is about 30,000 miles.
> 
> anyone have any suggestions to pass on to them?, or is this problem
> documented somewhere..

I've got this also with my Turbo - until the engine is warm the 1st to 2nd
shift is quite difficult to make. Once the engine and gearbox oil is warm it
shifts quite smoothly. 

I tried replacing the oil after I got the car for some Castol Synthetic
75W90 I bought from Halfords (4l at 10 GBP a litre!) and it didn't really
help. Next time I'm going for some MT-90 from Demon Tweaks (Tel: 01978
664466)

Cheers,

	Ben.

Jap '93 T, Just back from 'A' service
Now running normal Unleaded without pinking(!!)
http://www.btinternet.com/~netsurf/mr2t/

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