mr2-digest Wednesday, December 9 1998 Volume 02 : Number 2086 MR2 MK1 supercharger for sale MR2 MK1 boost guages available? Re: MR2 MK1 boost guages available? Re: MR2 mr2 markII questions Re: MR2 1993 options Re: MR2 1993 options RE: MR2 MKIIt: Catch Can MR2 MK2T ECU for sale RE: MR2 Mr2 unscribe MR2 Re: timing belts Re: MR2 Mark II/Second Gen parts For Sale Re: MR2 GEN: Digital gauges! CHEAP!!! Re: MR2 GEN: Digital gauges! CHEAP!!! Re: MR2 WTF?? MR2 parts car, brand-new never-painted fenders/quarterpanel MR2 Re: mr2-digest V2 #2085 MR2 WTF? RE: MR2 MKII TV Sighting RE: MR2 GEN: Digital gauges! CHEAP!!! RE: MR2 GEN: Digital gauges! CHEAP!!! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1998 08:35:16 PST From: "Todd klosnick" Subject: MR2 MK1 supercharger for sale Hi, I found this on Traderonline. Looks like it might be a steal. There is a pic of it on traderonline. Its silver and is garage kept from what the picture shows. 1988 TOYOTA MR2, supercharged, mech. SPECIAL, looks great, runs, needs work, $1500 or best offer, 305-978-8611 or 305-463-9802. Location: Miami, FL later, Todd 87na ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 08:38:47 -0800 From: "Karl Shepard" Subject: MR2 MK1 boost guages available? I am sure that this has been discussed before. Are there boost gauges available for MK1 sc? If so, are there pillar mounts that can mount the gauge on the drivers side pillar. Who carries them? Karl 88sc ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 10:01:36 -0700 From: goodmatt@juno.com (Matt S Ledbetter) Subject: Re: MR2 MK1 boost guages available? Karl, I am using an Autometer boost gauge and it fits almost perfectly in the drivers side air vent. I had to trim a little of metal away, and it took me a bit to figure out how to remove the vent. I believe it is a 2-1/4" gauge and runs about 30 bucks. It is pretty easy to run the vac line under the door jam, through the existing hole in the firewall, and to the intake manifold. - -Matt '88 Twincharged On Wed, 9 Dec 1998 08:38:47 -0800 "Karl Shepard" writes: >I am sure that this has been discussed before. Are there boost >gauges >available for MK1 sc? If so, are there pillar mounts that can mount >the >gauge on the drivers side pillar. Who carries them? > >Karl 88sc > > ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 00:56:31 +0800 (SGT) From: Alex Pun Subject: Re: MR2 mr2 markII questions > >The black cars had dark gray metallic moldings....the odd ball in > >turbo land is the yellow car. I've seen some with black moldings > >and I've seen some with gold moldings...all turbos. > > > They apparently also offered a matching yellow (during 91-93) as I have seen > it now a couple times... Mine's got matching yellow trim. Don't know if the PO had it painted or what. Alex 91T _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 11:27:57 -0600 From: "Chris King" Subject: Re: MR2 1993 options >I was just wondering if a color combination was available in the '93+ >turbos. What I'm interested in is the Super White car...but were they >available with tan leather interior? Basically, everything was available with black - leather or cloth. White cars also had blue interior cloth option (only black leather though) and tan leather (only available in whites I believe). Chris K. Yellow 93 Turbo Silver 87 NA ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 11:28:54 -0600 From: "Chris King" Subject: Re: MR2 1993 options >According to my '93 sales brouchure the only interior colors available were >Blue or Black Sport Fabric, Black Leather Trim or Black/Ivory Leather Trim. Ivory is the tan I believe. Chris K. Yellow 93 Turbo ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 12:45:37 -0500 (EST) From: "Gregory T. Euliss" Subject: RE: MR2 MKIIt: Catch Can >I cannot believe that oil in the intake is a good thing at all. I agree, thats why I am running a K&N breather on my PCV tube and why I need a catch can to catch the excessive blowby. > >if it made engines more reliable, all would have it, or at least the >tuners would be advertising "oil injection available, only $xxx". > >not meant to be a flame, Dr. Greg, but can you back this up? Think about dirt roads years ago before the environmental movement. Municipalities used to regularly dump oil on dirt roads to settle, trap the dust. Or the required oiling of K&N air filters. Same principle with our intakes the oil acts as a damping agent to trap fine dust, dirt that otherwise would get sucked into the engine. This oil does not trap every single particle just some that would otherwise get sucked in. Hence, the minuscule improvement in reliability compared to if the PCV system was not connected to the intake or if a catch can was used. But with the PCV you have performance issues (diluted intake charge), at least I do, as well as increased maintenance (cleaning the slime out of your intake tubes more often). I personally have gone the performance route with my PCV (K&N breather and looking to install a catch can). My car is more responsive all around and my intake tube connecting the turbo does not have the slime buildup that it did before the breather mod. Of course your results might vary. > >if so, let's get to work and make an oil injector for all cars that use >a PCV filter currently to keep oil out of the intake. maybe just gut >the filter or remove the spring? What you are describing is a two stroke engine. Some automobile manufactures are doing R & D on these motors. >Geno > >Geno Salvati >93t >92na (no longer) > >www.ethosnet.com/geno >geno@ethosnet.com > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 13:19:28 -0500 From: "Saccone, Jr.,Larry" Subject: MR2 MK2T ECU for sale I have an unmodified ECU for sale if anyone is interested. LJR ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 10:27:21 -0800 From: "Gabriel C. Lam" Subject: RE: MR2 Mr2 unscribe -----Original Message----- > From: owner-mr2@slapshot.hockey.net > [mailto:owner-mr2@slapshot.hockey.net]On Behalf Of > Sent: Tuesday, 08 December, 1998 8:02 PM > To: mr2-digest@mr2.com > Subject: MR2 Mr2 unscribe > Man, I haven't seen a good old fashioned "unscribe" for a long time. =) gabe ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 13:58:27 EST From: Bsp81@aol.com Subject: MR2 Re: timing belts In a message dated 12/8/98 8:43:59 PM EST, owner-mr2-digest@mr2.com writes: > My car broke down right on the onramp to the Parkway (uphill, > accelerating briskly, that's when I'd expect the belt to break anyway). I thought that the timing belts usually broke at low rpms, just above idle. All of you are starting to scare me. I was planning on holding off on the timing belt until i hit about 80k miles but now I'm rethinking that. Brian 91T ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Dec 98 14:29:51 EDT From: "Steve Bagdon" Subject: Re: MR2 Mark II/Second Gen parts For Sale Sure, I almost bought a black driver's seat-back for my '91T, it's about $600(!!!). I found it cheaper to buy a complete set of seats, and swap over what I needed. Steve B. - ------------------------------------------------------------ I just want to make sure that I read this correctly ... Toyota has replacement seat covers for the leather seats ??? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 14:25:41 -0500 From: "Tommy Guttmann" Subject: Re: MR2 GEN: Digital gauges! CHEAP!!! Hi Silo, >you sure remember the posts about those funky but *very* expensive SPAL >digital gauges (52mm DIN size) some weeks ago. Yea...it was me who posted about the SPA design gauges and scanned the pics, and you found their website... http://www.spa-uk.co.uk/design/instru.htm (Big time suppliers/fabricators to F1 teams!) >I have found a CHEAPER alternativ! They have not the large variaty but they >offer the basic instruments you usually need, like oil temp., oil pressure >etc. The gauges (52mm) feature > >- - black DIN housing >- - variable display color >- - bar and digits display >- - warning functions (flashing display) at variable presets > >The price is around 50 US$ for the gauges plus senders/sensors. These sound nice, but really it's not the same thing. What was very unique about the SPA design ones was what they actually measured... "Combination Boost / IC Outlet Temp" and the other one was "Dual Brake Bias" gauge, showing "Front / Rear" pressures. I've never ever seen any other gauges with these particular measures... http://www.spa-uk.co.uk/design/instru.htm Regards Tommy Guttmann Montreal, Canada 2 x MR2SC (both hibernating...zzzz) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 14:25:41 -0500 From: "Tommy Guttmann" Subject: Re: MR2 GEN: Digital gauges! CHEAP!!! Hi Silo, >you sure remember the posts about those funky but *very* expensive SPAL >digital gauges (52mm DIN size) some weeks ago. Yea...it was me who posted about the SPA design gauges and scanned the pics, and you found their website... http://www.spa-uk.co.uk/design/instru.htm (Big time suppliers/fabricators to F1 teams!) >I have found a CHEAPER alternativ! They have not the large variaty but they >offer the basic instruments you usually need, like oil temp., oil pressure >etc. The gauges (52mm) feature > >- - black DIN housing >- - variable display color >- - bar and digits display >- - warning functions (flashing display) at variable presets > >The price is around 50 US$ for the gauges plus senders/sensors. These sound nice, but really it's not the same thing. What was very unique about the SPA design ones was what they actually measured... "Combination Boost / IC Outlet Temp" and the other one was "Dual Brake Bias" gauge, showing "Front / Rear" pressures. I've never ever seen any other gauges with these particular measures... http://www.spa-uk.co.uk/design/instru.htm Regards Tommy Guttmann Montreal, Canada 2 x MR2SC (both hibernating...zzzz) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 13:31:29 -0600 From: "Noah Hansen" Subject: Re: MR2 WTF?? Sure it is! I dunno how well it can help your problem, but I'll be happy to tell you how. Here ya go: There are actually a couple of ways to do it (pulling the correct fuses (which you'd have to figure out, since I've never been under the hood of an MKI), or pulling the plugs from the ECU (If your ECU isn't behind the carpet in the rear trunk, I wouldn't know where else to look)), but the best (read: easiest) way would be to disconnect the neg. terminal of your battery and let it sit for awhile (I usually leave it for about 30-45 min to be safe). Then after reconnecting everything, start up the car, and let it idle for awhile to "re-learn" everything. I guess that's about it... Good Luck, Noah Hansen '91T - ---------- > From: Russ Svendsen > To: Noah Hansen ; TerrySaltzman@home.com > Cc: Mr2-digest@mr2.com > Subject: Re: MR2 WTF?? > Date: Wednesday, December 09, 1998 12:55 AM > > I see all this stuff about resetting the ECU. I have an 89 MKI NA. As it has > gotten cold it idles really crappy until it warms up. Is the ECU resetable > in my car? > > > Russ Svendsen > Cheap Web Design > www.theshop.net/russ > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Dec 98 14:40:51 EDT From: "Steve Bagdon" Subject: MR2 parts car, brand-new never-painted fenders/quarterpanel (Finally got around to inspecting the parts, before posting.) Some body parts for the '86NA, check these out: * left and right front fenders, new, installed, never-painted. Just have to remove them. * left rear quartpanel, new, never insatlled, never-painted. That's right - rust free, new, never painted, perfect, front fenders both sides, and the left quarterpanel. E-mail directly if interested, for these or any other '88SC or '86NA parts. Steve B. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 14:36:11 -0500 From: "Tommy Guttmann" Subject: MR2 Re: mr2-digest V2 #2085 >Anyway, I made this startling discovery last night when I went to >research a recent MR2 project article in Turbo magazine about cleaning >some sensors which claimed to really liven up the performance of the >car. I think they were refering to the air mass sensor, but I'm not >sure. I looked at mine last night, and aside from a small plastic tip >protruding into the intake cavity aft of the air filter, I couldn't see >anything that could easilly be cleaned, or needed cleaning. > >Does anyone know if this is what they were referring to, and what the >procedure would be to clean this thing? Are there any other sensors >along the intake system that I should look after? Is there any value in >removing the throttle body and cleaning it up? Hi Phil, I posted about this just last week...about Mike Gruber's experience with the trap door in his MAF (SC) getting a bit sticky over time and how it slowly deteriorated performance until it became terminal. I checked mine too and noticed that it wasn't moving as effortlessly as could be. Just "CAREFULLY" cut the silicone seal around the plastic cover over it, and spray away with WD40, GENTLY working the trap door open/shut until it moves very freely. Then, re-silicone the plastic cover back into place to seal it properly. BTW...we should've connected when I was in South Fla. 2 weeks ago... Regards Tommy Guttmann Montreal, Canada 2 x MR2SC (both hibernating...zzzz) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 13:50:38 -0600 From: "Noah Hansen" Subject: MR2 WTF? Harry Wrote: >My duty setting is at 58% at .75 kg/cm^2. Wow, that's pretty low compared to me. I usually set it somewhere around 80% from .80 to 1.00 kg/cm^2. It seems to boost higher in low gears. I've been able to hit 14 PSI in first (I have a lower setting for boosting on the highway in upper gears). >Fuel cut happens from too >much boost, not the injectors working too hard. That was what I thought, too. One of the guys at the local shop told me that on some (if not all) Eclipses, if the injectors become too stressed, then it will trigger a fuel cut, so I figured that our cars may have a similar quality. >The AVC-R doesn't >actually trigger fuel cut directly. If you don't have an FCD and your >boosting more than ~12psi whether it be with an EBC or MBC, you're gonna >hit fuel cut. Aha! But I do have an FCD (first the HKS and now the G-Force). Usually I can go to about 15PSI before the ECU decides to rock my world.. Noah P.S. Hey Rob Martinson (if you're still on the list): How's that FCD you were building coming along? Email me. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 12:03:07 -0800 From: "Mike Dodd" Subject: RE: MR2 MKII TV Sighting Yep I saw it, it also said something on the windshield like T-tops, HOT CAR! Anyone know what dealer is selling this one? Looked to be in the midwest. > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-mr2@slapshot.hockey.net > [mailto:owner-mr2@slapshot.hockey.net]On Behalf Of Jason Dinkins > Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 1998 7:17 AM > To: mr2-interest@mr2.com > Subject: MR2 MKII TV Sighting > > > Did anyone watch Dateline last night? They were talking about not > putting prices on automobiles and dealers jacking up the prices of > cars. For about 1 second there was writing on the window of a "93 > MR2". Had to be quick! Just curious if anyone else saw that. > > Take care, > Jason > 91T > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 12:03:10 -0800 From: "Mike Dodd" Subject: RE: MR2 GEN: Digital gauges! CHEAP!!! WOW!!! I'm going to buy some of these gauges just on principal. $50 is amazing, I have an NA, so I think I'll go for an Fuel Pressure / Water Temp dual gauge. Where do I sign up??? > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-mr2@slapshot.hockey.net > [mailto:owner-mr2@slapshot.hockey.net]On Behalf Of Tommy Guttmann > Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 1998 11:26 AM > To: mr2-digest@mr2.com; mr2-digest@slapshot.hockey.net > Subject: Re: MR2 GEN: Digital gauges! CHEAP!!! > > > Hi Silo, > > >you sure remember the posts about those funky but *very* expensive SPAL > >digital gauges (52mm DIN size) some weeks ago. > > > Yea...it was me who posted about the SPA design gauges and > scanned the pics, > and you found their website... http://www.spa-uk.co.uk/design/instru.htm > (Big time suppliers/fabricators to F1 teams!) > > >I have found a CHEAPER alternativ! They have not the large > variaty but they > >offer the basic instruments you usually need, like oil temp., > oil pressure > >etc. The gauges (52mm) feature > > > >- - black DIN housing > >- - variable display color > >- - bar and digits display > >- - warning functions (flashing display) at variable presets > > > >The price is around 50 US$ for the gauges plus senders/sensors. > > > These sound nice, but really it's not the same thing. What was > very unique > about the SPA design ones was what they actually measured... > > "Combination Boost / IC Outlet Temp" and the other one was > "Dual Brake Bias" gauge, showing "Front / Rear" pressures. > > I've never ever seen any other gauges with these particular measures... > http://www.spa-uk.co.uk/design/instru.htm > > > Regards > Tommy Guttmann > Montreal, Canada > 2 x MR2SC (both hibernating...zzzz) > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 12:03:10 -0800 From: "Mike Dodd" Subject: RE: MR2 GEN: Digital gauges! CHEAP!!! WOW!!! I'm going to buy some of these gauges just on principal. $50 is amazing, I have an NA, so I think I'll go for an Fuel Pressure / Water Temp dual gauge. Where do I sign up??? > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-mr2@slapshot.hockey.net > [mailto:owner-mr2@slapshot.hockey.net]On Behalf Of Tommy Guttmann > Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 1998 11:26 AM > To: mr2-digest@mr2.com; mr2-digest@slapshot.hockey.net > Subject: Re: MR2 GEN: Digital gauges! CHEAP!!! > > > Hi Silo, > > >you sure remember the posts about those funky but *very* expensive SPAL > >digital gauges (52mm DIN size) some weeks ago. > > > Yea...it was me who posted about the SPA design gauges and > scanned the pics, > and you found their website... http://www.spa-uk.co.uk/design/instru.htm > (Big time suppliers/fabricators to F1 teams!) > > >I have found a CHEAPER alternativ! They have not the large > variaty but they > >offer the basic instruments you usually need, like oil temp., > oil pressure > >etc. The gauges (52mm) feature > > > >- - black DIN housing > >- - variable display color > >- - bar and digits display > >- - warning functions (flashing display) at variable presets > > > >The price is around 50 US$ for the gauges plus senders/sensors. > > > These sound nice, but really it's not the same thing. What was > very unique > about the SPA design ones was what they actually measured... > > "Combination Boost / IC Outlet Temp" and the other one was > "Dual Brake Bias" gauge, showing "Front / Rear" pressures. > > I've never ever seen any other gauges with these particular measures... > http://www.spa-uk.co.uk/design/instru.htm > > > Regards > Tommy Guttmann > Montreal, Canada > 2 x MR2SC (both hibernating...zzzz) > ------------------------------ End of mr2-digest V2 #2086