mr2-digest Sunday, January 31 1999 Volume 02 : Number 2382 To be removed from this mail list, send the word "unsubscribe" in the body of a message to mr2-digest-request@mr2.com For further MR2 and Toyota mail list information, see http://www.mr2.com/EMail.html --- Subjects ---- MR2 AT fluid question/help!!! Re: MR2 Fun in the rain and Snap Oversteer *WHOOPS* Re: MR2 20V 4A-GZE? MR2 3sgte in celica AWD MR2 need a few parts for my '85... Fwd: MR2 20V 4A-GZE? Re: MR2 Fun in the rain and Snap Oversteer *WHOOPS* MR2 MK1 Oil pressure sender, dist o-ring, oil pan gasket MR2 Rear windshield got smashed!!! Piss Off! MR2 Hottest New Accessory (Humor) MR2 HOW TO BEAT A TICKET video highlites! Re: MR2 AT fluid question/help!!! Re: MR2 AT fluid question/help!!! Re: MR2 AT fluid question/help!!! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 17:12:25 EDT From: "Steve Bagdon" Subject: MR2 AT fluid question/help!!! If you're finding AT fluid by your radiator, the only way it could get there is if you were carrying a case of AT fluid in your front trunk. At least on the Mk Is (and have to presume on the Mk IIs), the AT cooler is on the left side of the engine bay, looking just like the engine oil cooler on the right side (pass-through pipe). Now, if you are referring to power-steering fluid, that would make me sense... Steve B. - ------------------------------------------------------------ I have discovered auto trans fluid leaking around the radiator area of my car. It is a relatively slow leak and the transmission is fine,also the radiator. My guess is that it is the connection where the AT fluid runs through the radiator(Ive seen this before on other cars-usually just a hose clamp loose). My question is:Where do the lines from the transmission go into the radiator. It was almost dark,so I didnt get much chance to inspect,but I really couldnt find them. Thanks ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 14:17:20 -0800 (PST) From: "Perry F. Nguyen" Subject: Re: MR2 Fun in the rain and Snap Oversteer *WHOOPS* On Sun, 31 Jan 1999, Randy Chase wrote: > -snip the similar story we all have read before about someone > discovering the snap oversteer- 8) > I did lose my right rear tire (it > > blew when I hit the divider), though. While I had my wheels off to put > > on the spare (moved front wheel to the rear, and put the spare on front) > > I looked at the suspension to look for any bent "things"--nothing showed > > up in my quick inspection for bent parts or sloppy holes. > Perry, make sure you take your car to a good suspension alignment shop. > I would bet your out of alignment at the least. Oh, while you are there, > add some toe in on the rear. 8) I've been putting off doing my alignment until I got new springs and shocks (haven't done an alignment since my accident back in Sept.) +---------------------------------------------------+---------------------+ | pfnguyen@best.com - http://www.best.com/~pfnguyen | Networking, NT & | | Perry "Huy" Francis Nguyen | Unix Systems Admin, | +---------------------------------------------------+ Consulting & | | 2D 83 93 2C FF 02 A5 97 B6 30 8D 7D BA 8B 85 81 | Applications Devel. | +---------------------------------------------------+---------------------+ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 17:25:14 EST From: MADMR2@aol.com Subject: Re: MR2 20V 4A-GZE? I would like to dispel this myth that there exist a 4agze 20v. There never was a 4agze 20v. The 20v was meant to replace the 4agze. Toyota wanted a 1.6 liter engine that would reach 150 hp without using forced induction. Not gust that but to have the first 20v production 4 cylinder engine. How do I know this you ask? Well, I have a friend in Japan that I met 4 years ago at a Japanese animation convention here in Cal. Iv been corresponding with him via mail ever since and one day I asked him were he works. It turns out that he's been working for Toyota as a plant manager for the past 18 years. He gave me this info when I was looking for this engine to put in my 86 mk1. I heard about this engine on Phil Bradshaw's website at www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Garage/1043/4ageengineTABLE.htm and I desperately searched. I finally had to make one my self. I started by getting a complete 4agze and swapping the head with the 20v head. It's very difficult but possible. What you have to do is make a custom intake manifold for the 4 throttle body's to allow the air from the supercharger to get in to the manifold. I got this idea from Manuel Go's 93T Eclipse witch was featured in the October 97 issue of S. C. S. He did the same thing but with a turbo. All of the information on Phil's website is mostly accurate except for the rumor of a 20v 4agze. But now there is one, and I have it. DAVID'S MAD MR2 86 MK1 20v SC ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 17:34:44 EDT From: "Steve Bagdon" Subject: MR2 3sgte in celica AWD Tons of differences. The '88-'89 uses a differenct computer, believe the CT-26 is single-entry instead of twin-entry, the intercooler is water cooled rather then air cooled, the cylinder head has different oil returns, etc. If you have any chance at all, try to get a +90+/ Steve B. - ------------------------------------------------------------ are there any differences in the celica 32gte's from 1988-1992? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 17:52:01 EDT From: "Steve Bagdon" Subject: MR2 need a few parts for my '85... Odd as this may sound, I need a few pats for my '85: flex pipe (between header and cat). Doesn't have to be perfect, just in good condition. dead, but rebuildable, Genuine Toyota alternator. If anyone has a parts car, please let me know if you have any of these parts. BTW, spent the last 1.5 days helping a friend get an MR2 running (turned out to be *two* things wrong), and then caugt the flu, so I'm a few days behind shipping. If anyone has e-mail/snail-mail out there for me, I should catch up Mon/Tue. Thanks! Steve B. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 17:52:07 EST From: DSo5866343@aol.com Subject: Fwd: MR2 20V 4A-GZE? This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --part0_917823128_boundary Content-ID: <0_917823128@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII - --part0_917823128_boundary Content-ID: <0_917823128@inet_out.mail.aol.com.2> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: MADMR2@aol.com Return-path: To: DSo5866343@aol.com Subject: Fwd: MR2 20V 4A-GZE? Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 17:47:18 EST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part1_917823128_boundary" - --part1_917823128_boundary Content-ID: <0_917823128@inet_out.mail.aol.com.3> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII - --part1_917823128_boundary Content-ID: <0_917823128@inet_out.mail.aol.com.4> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: MADMR2@aol.com Return-path: To: mr2-interest@mr2.com Subject: Re: MR2 20V 4A-GZE? Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 17:25:14 EST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I would like to dispel this myth that there exist a 4agze 20v. There never was a 4agze 20v. The 20v was meant to replace the 4agze. Toyota wanted a 1.6 liter engine that would reach 150 hp without using forced induction. Not gust that but to have the first 20v production 4 cylinder engine. How do I know this you ask? Well, I have a friend in Japan that I met 4 years ago at a Japanese animation convention here in Cal. Iv been corresponding with him via mail ever since and one day I asked him were he works. It turns out that he's been working for Toyota as a plant manager for the past 18 years. He gave me this info when I was looking for this engine to put in my 86 mk1. I heard about this engine on Phil Bradshaw's website at www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Garage/1043/4ageengineTABLE.htm and I desperately searched. I finally had to make one my self. I started by getting a complete 4agze and swapping the head with the 20v head. It's very difficult but possible. What you have to do is make a custom intake manifold for the 4 throttle body's to allow the air from the supercharger to get in to the manifold. I got this idea from Manuel Go's 93T Eclipse witch was featured in the October 97 issue of S. C. S. He did the same thing but with a turbo. All of the information on Phil's website is mostly accurate except for the rumor of a 20v 4agze. But now there is one, and I have it. DAVID'S MAD MR2 86 MK1 20v SC - --part1_917823128_boundary-- - --part0_917823128_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 15:11:51 -0800 (PST) From: Auto Quartz Subject: Re: MR2 Fun in the rain and Snap Oversteer *WHOOPS* How do you control the throttle and the brake when counter-oversteering and straighting the car? Thanks. > First off, I'm glad that neither you nor your MR2 were hurt badly.. Just > a tire and some pride is managable. > > I think that you did the first part of reacting, namely countersteering, > just fine. What you didn't do, though, is to un-countersteer as the car > caught itself. So, first the tail starts sliding to the left and you > countersteer to the left. Then, when the car catches, there you are with > lots of left steering input, so the car reacts as if you are turning to > the left *very* hard, and the back end jumps out to the right. You have > to be thinking ahead of the car and anticipating the car hooking up and > get the wheel straight just as it starts to catch. You can't just slowly > straighten the wheel, but go from countersteering to straight in <1/4 second. > > Unfortunately, one of the easy ways to learn countersteering is to go out > to a parking lot in snow or other super slick conditions. The problem is > that you learn countersteering quite well doing this, but since the car's > energy is so low, by the time you get things straight the car's just about > stopped. It doesn't reinforce the need to remove the countersteer as > the car catches. > > marcus hall > == Chen. Arizona State University, U.S.A '91 Crimson Red MR2 TTT - Turbo, T-top, Tinted($97.33). * White Gauges Face, $155.00 * Weapon-R Perfomance Foam Intake, $88.20 * MR2 Keychain (chrome), $8.03 * Mobil 1 Synthetic Oil and Toyota Filter, ~$20.00 _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 18:11:37 -0500 From: Danial Car Subject: MR2 MK1 Oil pressure sender, dist o-ring, oil pan gasket Howdy, I have an oil leak, as I think everyone seems to get time to time. I think that it is coming from the oil pressure sender. The sender works fine so I am hoping to not replace it. If the leak is coming from the sender what is the procedure to fix it? Is is one of those take it out, wrap the threads with tape, and screw it back in again deals? The dist. o-ring has been suggested to me as the culprit. I know that just changing the cap was a bit of a pain. How much of a pain is removing the distributor? Lastly, apparantly there is no oil pan gasket for this engine, or is there? There seems to be something on the microfiche that looks like a gasket but it is called a baffle. Is there anything that I should replace since I am going to the trouble of taking off the oil pan? I am also replacing my valve cover gaskets because they are 12 years old. Lastly, If anybody has, off-hand, the vacuum hose dimensions and an idea off what kind of lengths are needed to redo the entire engine compartment, that would be helpful. thanks in advance dano ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 15:23:43 -0800 (PST) From: Auto Quartz Subject: MR2 Rear windshield got smashed!!! Piss Off! Just found out that some idiots shot sth onto my rear windshield and the whole windshield is broken into pieces. I was wondering how much is it to get a new/used rear windshield and how much is the labor (heard from Austin that that's a lot of work to replace the rear windshield). Any help will be greatly appreciated. By the way, do I need to file a report (cops)? Nope, I don't have full coverage on my 2. p/s: Anyone know of any good auto-window shop around Phoenix/Tempe/Mesa area? Thanks in ahead. == Chen. Arizona State University, U.S.A '91 Crimson Red MR2 TTT - Turbo, T-top, Tinted($97.33). * White Gauges Face, $155.00 * Weapon-R Perfomance Foam Intake, $88.20 * MR2 Keychain (chrome), $8.03 * Mobil 1 Synthetic Oil and Toyota Filter, ~$20.00 _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 15:43:36 -0008 From: TerrySaltzman@home.com Subject: MR2 Hottest New Accessory (Humor) heh....i sent this url to a fellow mr2 "buddy" some weeks ago...hehe....im glad my stuff gets around....kinda like the NA "Nudie" shots....hehe. interesting to see the circuitry of communiques. terry ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 15:56:03 -0008 From: TerrySaltzman@home.com Subject: MR2 HOW TO BEAT A TICKET video highlites! well rob i do all items you noted except the groveling bit.......i see that shiny badge and i want to whip out my can of black spray paint..heh...."paint it black" your comment about the "#4 on anti social scale"....yep you hit it right on the head with that one. i know a couple of cops and they are most definately superior beings to us all....i guess thats why they make 27K a year eh? i guess thats why they have to hide in the bushes to bust us...eh? i guess thats why one of my cop aquaintences was retired from the force at the tender age of 25 for killing to many citizens while on duty? now he combines his chemicals, (prozak and THC)........yep superior beings id say. terry - (not to fond of cops. i dont see much of them BTW, since my MR2 is grey/silver.... blast right by them and they dont even see me. aint got no "see me color" cuz i dont want to be seen...;) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 16:04:07 -0800 (PST) From: Dane M Subject: Re: MR2 AT fluid question/help!!! Since I have posted that,I have discovered that it was red Toyota antifreeze.The leak seams to be occuring near the upper right drain cock. I really dont know what I will do about it though. I just originally assumed that it was AT fluid because Ive seen other cars leak ATF at the radiator because most cars use the radiator to cool the ATF by passing it through. I had forgotten about that red antifreeze that comes from the factory.I guess that it is time to change it anyway since my car is a 93. Unfortunately I cannot find the exact source of the leak,I just know that its near the top where the upper drain is,DANE - ---Steve Bagdon wrote: > > If you're finding AT fluid by your radiator, the only way it could get there is if you were carrying a case of AT fluid in your front trunk. At least on the Mk Is (and have to presume on the Mk IIs), the AT cooler is on the left side of the engine bay, looking just like the engine oil cooler on the right side (pass-through pipe). > > Now, if you are referring to power-steering fluid, that would make me sense... > > Steve B. > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > > I have discovered auto trans fluid leaking around the radiator area of > my car. > It is a relatively slow leak and the transmission is fine,also the > radiator. > My guess is that it is the connection where the AT fluid runs through > the radiator(Ive seen this before on other cars-usually just a hose > clamp loose). > My question is:Where do the lines from the transmission go into the > radiator. > It was almost dark,so I didnt get much chance to inspect,but I really > couldnt find them. Thanks > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 16:04:11 -0800 (PST) From: Dane M Subject: Re: MR2 AT fluid question/help!!! Since I have posted that,I have discovered that it was red Toyota antifreeze.The leak seams to be occuring near the upper right drain cock. I really dont know what I will do about it though. I just originally assumed that it was AT fluid because Ive seen other cars leak ATF at the radiator because most cars use the radiator to cool the ATF by passing it through. I had forgotten about that red antifreeze that comes from the factory.I guess that it is time to change it anyway since my car is a 93. Unfortunately I cannot find the exact source of the leak,I just know that its near the top where the upper drain is,DANE - ---Steve Bagdon wrote: > > If you're finding AT fluid by your radiator, the only way it could get there is if you were carrying a case of AT fluid in your front trunk. At least on the Mk Is (and have to presume on the Mk IIs), the AT cooler is on the left side of the engine bay, looking just like the engine oil cooler on the right side (pass-through pipe). > > Now, if you are referring to power-steering fluid, that would make me sense... > > Steve B. > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > > I have discovered auto trans fluid leaking around the radiator area of > my car. > It is a relatively slow leak and the transmission is fine,also the > radiator. > My guess is that it is the connection where the AT fluid runs through > the radiator(Ive seen this before on other cars-usually just a hose > clamp loose). > My question is:Where do the lines from the transmission go into the > radiator. > It was almost dark,so I didnt get much chance to inspect,but I really > couldnt find them. Thanks > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 16:04:02 -0800 (PST) From: Dane M Subject: Re: MR2 AT fluid question/help!!! Since I have posted that,I have discovered that it was red Toyota antifreeze.The leak seams to be occuring near the upper right drain cock. I really dont know what I will do about it though. I just originally assumed that it was AT fluid because Ive seen other cars leak ATF at the radiator because most cars use the radiator to cool the ATF by passing it through. I had forgotten about that red antifreeze that comes from the factory.I guess that it is time to change it anyway since my car is a 93. Unfortunately I cannot find the exact source of the leak,I just know that its near the top where the upper drain is,DANE - ---Steve Bagdon wrote: > > If you're finding AT fluid by your radiator, the only way it could get there is if you were carrying a case of AT fluid in your front trunk. At least on the Mk Is (and have to presume on the Mk IIs), the AT cooler is on the left side of the engine bay, looking just like the engine oil cooler on the right side (pass-through pipe). > > Now, if you are referring to power-steering fluid, that would make me sense... > > Steve B. > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > > I have discovered auto trans fluid leaking around the radiator area of > my car. > It is a relatively slow leak and the transmission is fine,also the > radiator. > My guess is that it is the connection where the AT fluid runs through > the radiator(Ive seen this before on other cars-usually just a hose > clamp loose). > My question is:Where do the lines from the transmission go into the > radiator. > It was almost dark,so I didnt get much chance to inspect,but I really > couldnt find them. Thanks > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? 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