mr2-digest Sunday, March 21 1999 Volume 02 : Number 2612 To be removed from this mail list, send the word "unsubscribe" in the body of a message to mr2-digest-request@mr2.com - For further MR2 and Toyota mail list information, see http://www.mr2.com/EMail.html --- Subjects ---- Re: mr2 Harness for a MkII MR2 [MR2914me@aol.com] Re: mr2 Harness for a MkII MR2/Insurance Co. OK [MR2914me@aol.com] Re: mr2 Harness for a MkII MR2->LEGAL!!! [MR2914me@aol.com] Re: mr2 Harness for a MkII MR2->LEGAL!!! [HandsomeasHell ] mr2 Verifying a used car [PN ] Re: mr2 Bill and the bailys irish creme [william brandt ] Re: mr2 Bill and the bailys irish creme ["Tony Wang" ] Re: mr2 Photo taken in a junction ["Tony Wang" ] Re: mr2 Verifying a used car ["David Hawkins" ] mr2 Cali harness test in da MR2 [HandsomeasHell ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 18:20:07 EST From: MR2914me@aol.com Subject: Re: mr2 Harness for a MkII MR2 In a message dated 3/21/99 7:14:17 PM, neilmck@colis.com writes: >I am in search of a 4-point harness for my '93 MR2. Does anyone info as >to where I could locate one that I can get installed. Dealers will not >be of any help to me if they need to install it themselves. > >-- >Neil E. McKenzie I don't know of any 4 point harnesses, but my 5 point bolted right in. (took 30 minutes). (Simpson $125 each) Rob '91 na w/cage (5 point harness X2) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 18:29:53 EST From: MR2914me@aol.com Subject: Re: mr2 Harness for a MkII MR2/Insurance Co. OK In a message dated 3/21/99 11:09:39 PM, neilmck@colis.com writes: > The insurance company would >probably raise an eyebrow on the need for such a harness on a "street" >car though. >bluemr2@juno.com wrote: Again, not true. My insurance company (Wawanesa) praised me for my belts. Just so ya know, belts don't make your car go faster, they are a safety device!! Stock belts are dangerous. Rob '91 na w/cage 5 point 3" Simpson harness X2 (retired pro-racer) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 18:26:10 EST From: MR2914me@aol.com Subject: Re: mr2 Harness for a MkII MR2->LEGAL!!! In a message dated 3/21/99 8:51:51 PM, bluemr2@juno.com writes: >Full out race applications require a 3" belt and normally can't be >made street legal (leave stock system in place for the street). The above is simply not true! Both the California Highway patrol and our local Police Dept have given me the thumbs up regarding my 5 point 3" Simpson harness, latch (no camlock, they jam if dirt gets in them). Actually, the cops told me that they wished everyone used 5 point harnesses. It is stock belts that are unsafe!! Rob '91 na w/cage, 5 point harness X2 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 16:14:34 -0800 (PST) From: HandsomeasHell Subject: Re: mr2 Harness for a MkII MR2->LEGAL!!! > Police Dept have given me the thumbs up regarding my >5 point 3" Simpson > harness, latch (no camlock, they jam if dirt gets in them). so the cops say its ok? is that affirmation based latch lock or cam lock?...or it doenst matter? will i hear "sorry mr handsome, we will have to write you up cuz uz' got a '$75 bitchin camlock' and not the latch type like your buddy rob, over there" anyone want to find the cali DMV text on this (not that i question your info rob...but i like paperwork...KWIM)? funny, initionally i was unsafe when i first got the device cuz every time i saw a copper i'd pop out of it! its pretty amazing how fast that thing explodes open and gets out of your way when i twist the dial. > Actually, the cops told me that they wished everyone >used 5 point harnesses. ive had cops tell me that they wish everyone was a polite and handsome as i am...;) > It is stock belts that are unsafe!! this is a fact (with respect to a harnesses) > Rob '91 na w/cage, 5 point harness X2 terry (one 5 piont cuz i dont like passengers screaming in my ear;) btw-hows the "Nerfing" biz these dayz?.....heh _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 19:12:30 -0500 From: "Roger S. Prior" Subject: Re: mr2 Bill and the bailys irish creme >DUI is serious business - aside from the dangers involved to all, some states are now takng the 'anything above .00 is a crime'. Which means a social-drink and 6 hours later, at .01, you're still breaking the law. It's almost to the point that it's like being a pilot - no drinking 24 hours before driving. Believe it or not for pilots its only 8 hours. Also the limit is .04 percent. The major airlines have their own limits but thats the general limitation. This is FAR Regulation 91.17 Of course if a pilot, if he/she has any common sense at the time, knows he/she is drunk or is showing signs of intoxication should know not to fly. There are a few cases (not trying to scare anybody) where a pilot drinks at his departure, flies the plane to its destination and gets picked up there by the FAA for drinking. Pretty stupid for waiting after the facts to get busted, but thats the government for ya. The FAA, cant live with 'em, cant fly without 'em. Roger S. Prior 89SC ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 19:22:56 -0500 From: Phil Cutajar Subject: Re: mr2 Bill and the bailys irish creme Rob Martinson wrote: > The moral? The decision to drive after drinking whether heavily or lightly > is yours. Any consequences are yours to deal. > > Will I drive home after a beer or two? Sure. After more? I hate to say it, > but probably. You're amazingly brave when you're drunk. I try to keep myself > out of that situation altogether as I know what the end-result will be no > matter how much I tell myself I won't drive. That's the problem with the system we have today. The law expects people to make sensible decisions after they are already drunk. When a person goes out to have dinner and perhaps over indulges a little, can he or she still competently decide if they should get behind the wheel of their MR2 and drive? (gotta get some mr2 content in there) Mind you, I've never had a DUI, nor do I even remember the last time I drove drunk. If I know I'm gonna drink I make alternate plans to get home in advance. If alternate plans are out, I just don't drink to get drunk, or I wait it out until I feel sober. The moral is, there's gotta be a better way... I think cars should be smart enough to prevent you from driving if you're not sober. that is until cars can find their own way home without your assistance. Gotta get me one of those autopilot features, so I can go out and drink more often. In fact, I predict that our society will become alcoholics if they ever make cars with autopilot. :-) - -- Phil Cutajar mailto:solo2_mr2@geocities.com http://www.mr2.com/OWNERS/PhilCutajar.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 19:28:12 -0500 From: Phil Cutajar Subject: Re: mr2 Photo taken in a junction MR2Turbo91@aol.com wrote: > In Arizona the current law states that the picture must be visable of you. > > if your car is caught in a red light or speeding camera, you are sent a > summons to appear in the City court. at the court you are taken to a booth > with a law officer and the two of you view the picture together. every > picture I have seen by these cameras is first rate and almost no way you can > misjudge somebody. This is a revenue generator remember... these tickets cost > over $100.. so the top quality camera and film are used as well as immagry > enhancement... Tehcnically, this is unconstitutional, unless they can clearly identify the driver. When they first introduced Photo Radar, they use to take a picture of the back of your car, then mail you a ticket. Shortly after it was introduced, it was shot down because the owner of the car is not necessarilly the driver, and there was no way to prove who was driving. - -- Phil Cutajar mailto:solo2_mr2@geocities.com http://www.mr2.com/OWNERS/PhilCutajar.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 19:31:08 -0500 From: PN Subject: mr2 Verifying a used car Can anyone tell me where the VIN number's are located on a MK1? A SC that I'm looking at has no history, and I want to confirm that the body panels are the originals. Anything else I can check to get the history of a car? Doesn't Consumer Reports run a report on a VIN? Is it worth it? Thanks, Paul 86 MR2 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 16:27:46 -0800 From: william brandt Subject: Re: mr2 Bill and the bailys irish creme Hi Rob - well my point was that I felt coherant; wasn't weaving - wasn't even drunk. I think today the CHP was just looking for drunks last night after midnight and saw me going 70 and pulled me over. And with the state DUI limits you really don't have to have much to be condsidered legally "driving under the influence" I was darned lucky - they let me go and didn't even give me a ticket for "speeding" - which legally they could have done. I am really going to limit my drinks to 1 now if I'm going to be driving within the next 4 hours. maybe that was a wake up call. probably what saved me was the fact that I stopped drinking 1.5 hours before I left the party - just had coffee. Bill Rob Martinson wrote: > > I'd have to say I agree with their decision to pull people over sooner > rather than later. > > I got a DUI when I was 17, on a motorcycle. Not only was I blasted drunk but > I had been smoking too if you know what I mean. This is not a happy mixture. > I had someone on the back and we had probably atleast a 12 pack worth of > beer stuffed in our coats, etc. The ONLY part of the night that I remember > was my mom waking me up when she came to pick me up at the police station, I > had passed out on a bench waiting. I must have been weaving crazily or > speeding right? Nope, they pulled me over for not signaling during a lane > change, pure luck. I have no doubts that the things would have ended up much > worse had they not pulled me over. > > The moral? The decision to drive after drinking whether heavily or lightly > is yours. Any consequences are yours to deal. > > Will I drive home after a beer or two? Sure. After more? I hate to say it, > but probably. You're amazingly brave when you're drunk. I try to keep myself > out of that situation altogether as I know what the end-result will be no > matter how much I tell myself I won't drive. > > Anyway, I'm not preaching. Everyone is their own responsibility. I'm just > saying if you DO get a DUI at some point. You deserved it, consider it a > blessing. > > Rob Martinson > '91T > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-mr2@iList.net [mailto:owner-mr2@iList.net]On Behalf Of > william brandt > Sent: Sunday, March 21, 1999 3:30 AM > To: mr2 list; Mercedes Listserv; mbca list > Subject: mr2 Bill and the bailys irish creme > > Wow - tonight I had an incident that was mildly embarrassing - > and could have been a real mess. I'll explain. I was over at an > Irish friend's house - celebrating St Paddy's day a bit late (but > hey it's sat) and start to drink the bailys. Good stuff. > > Well me being pretty conscientious about drunk driving stop and > drink coffee and for the next 90 minutes or so. > > I get on the highway and am doing my normal 70 in a 55- which > being California everyone else is doing 70 and over - when low & > behold the red lights pop on behind me. > > I pull off and 2 kindly CHP officers are asking for the usual > stuff. They then ask if I'd been drinking tonight - I say yes. I > ask "was I driving that erratic? - why did you pull me over?" - > Guy says "You were doing 70" - I start to say "everyone does that > - but then figure I'd just be getting into deeper stuff starting > that stuff so I'm all co-operation. > > Anyway I have to do all the embarrassing stuff - the stand on > your leg - look at the stars - count your fingers backwards & > forwards - recite the gettysburg address (that part just > kidding). > > I know that I am not drunk and seem to pass the tests - it's a > bit hard standing on the 1 leg trick but I did it.... They then > ask me to take a breath test - I blow into their machine. They > study the results - then talk to each other - and let me go. > > I'll tell you what - that scared the @%^ out of me - what they > saw in my driving I don't know - I certainly wasn't weaving - > driving dangerously - did they want to test everyone they thought > was "speeding" or did they see something in my driving? I don't > know. > > Anyway I thanked them and promised I'd go 55 all the way home. > Which I did with cars blowing by me. > > If you get a DUI on your record you have a mess on your > insurance. Anyway they scared the you-know-what out of me! Maybe > it was because of my co-operation or a borderline result on the > machine but they let me go...and I suppose it could have just as > easily gone the other way. With all the mess that is - > > Anyway 2 points - this can just as easily happen to you even if > you drink socially - not to get drunk - and I believe I will have > maybe 1 drink from now on - even if it is baileys ;-) > > Bill ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 19:31:27 -0500 From: "Tony Wang" Subject: Re: mr2 Bill and the bailys irish creme >I'll tell you what - that scared the @%^ out of me - what they >saw in my driving I don't know - I certainly wasn't weaving - >driving dangerously - did they want to test everyone they thought >was "speeding" or did they see something in my driving? I don't >know. Ugh, be glad you do not live in New York. The venerable Mayor Giuliani recently passed a bill which causes your car to be SEIZED if you are charged with DUI/DWI. The reasoning (excuse) is that the vehicle is a device used in a crime. So before you even see a judge, you have lost your car, and with the system here in NY, it could be months before you see it again. Quite possibly not in one piece (they can tear the car apart to sell the parts, whoops I mean search it). Tony 93T - driving slowly in the police state formally known as NYC ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 16:34:43 -0800 From: Michael Su Subject: Re: mr2 Photo taken in a junction I just went to traffic school this weekend and this topic was brought up. Photo Radar now takes 3 shots from 3 different angles, 1 from the front at the driver, 1 from the side at a distance to show the relation of the car, and 1 of the rear license plate. Then the ticket is mailed to the registered owner of the car. If the owner wasn't the person driving, then they need to contact the court/police/whoever it says on there to contact and tell them who it was driving their car. Then the ticket is re-mailed to the person driving the car at the time. However, I don't know if you can say that you loan your car out to everyone and anyone and you don't know who that was in the picture driving your car ;) Probably not and then you're held responsible. At least this is in CA anyways. - ---Mike > Tehcnically, this is unconstitutional, unless they can clearly identify the > driver. When they first introduced Photo Radar, they use to take a picture of the > back of your car, then mail you a ticket. Shortly after it was introduced, it was > shot down because the owner of the car is not necessarilly the driver, and there > was no way to prove who was driving. > > -- > Phil Cutajar > mailto:solo2_mr2@geocities.com > http://www.mr2.com/OWNERS/PhilCutajar.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 19:33:54 -0500 From: "Tony Wang" Subject: Re: mr2 Photo taken in a junction > Tehcnically, this is unconstitutional, unless they can clearly identify the >driver. When they first introduced Photo Radar, they use to take a picture of the >back of your car, then mail you a ticket. Shortly after it was introduced, it was >shot down because the owner of the car is not necessarilly the driver, and there >was no way to prove who was driving. They had this problem in NY. The owner of the car has to pay the ticket, but no points are given. Tony 93T ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 18:39:07 -0600 From: "David Hawkins" Subject: Re: mr2 Verifying a used car >Can anyone tell me where the VIN number's are located on a MK1? A SC that >I'm looking at has no history, and I want to confirm that the body panels >are the originals. Anything else I can check to get the history of a car? >Doesn't Consumer Reports run a report on a VIN? Is it worth it? The primary chassis number is stamped in the front trunk on the wall against the passenger compartment. It will start with AW11 and have the sequential number after it. The actual VIN will be on a plate visible through the lower left corner of the windshield. It will start with JT2AW16 for an SC. To confirm the body panels, look for the VIN decal that should be visible on each of them. They may get painted over, but they shouldn't ever come off unless someone forcibly removes them. The front fenders are in the top drip rail that the hood covers, the doors are on the rear inside panel (that you see when you open the door), the quarter panels are in the door opening, and the hood and trunk lid are on the bottom of the panels. These labels are VERY valuable when you look at a car, as they will show evidence of overspray if it's been repainted, and they'll be missing if it's ever been repaired. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 17:29:50 -0800 From: robrande Subject: mr2 US vs JP turbo engines Hello everyone, I was wondering what the difference is between the US turbo which puts out 200hp and the newer Japan turbos that have something like 235. Just wondering Thanks ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 17:55:09 -0800 (PST) From: HandsomeasHell Subject: mr2 Cali harness test in da MR2 so i decide to take a break from current eyeglazing session of study to run a few errands.....while im about, i think "ok lets test the cali harness law while im out".....so i strap on my "big handsome black harness with cam lock" and hit da streets..... i spy a copper at an intersection.....i late brake upto the white line to get his attention.....our eyes meet....i become ridiculously animated whilst pointing to my big black harness which is covering my manly chest like a Widows web, i belch out: "hey o-facer are these things cool to wear on da street?!?!!?".... he begins to speak to me through his passengers window in a slow inbred southern drawl.... "har-ness?...yep, its ok-key-doe-key".... "right on" i reply..... he asks me "is that Kruder & Dofmeister on your bitchin star-e-o?".... "surething" i fire back with glazed eyes..... "love it"....he squawks .... "right on with your right on" i slur lazyily.... as the other light begins to turn yellow the o-facer speaks: "u shure r a and-some and poll-lite.... r u goin too da Os-car A-wards r sum-thun?".... "why thank you o tender civil servant....but i already have a date for the policemans ball...thanx anyway!"..... im sure he sed "darn" but by that time my bitchin stereo was so increadibly F**king loud that no one could hear themselves think let alone hear anything that was spoken....but its the thought that counts right? other minor things that happened while out: drove with parking lights on stuck my fat tongue inbetween my index and middle finger to send an offensive message to some honeys standing on a corner tailgated late apex'd over three lanes of traffic...you know the exit rob...balboa off 163 north..great rigth hander! drove without shoes took the inside line on a sedan with 6 people in it no shower in three dayz drove 110mph in moderate traffic, with weaving drove without underwear on played stereo so you could hear it over 500ft away locked/unlocked doors three times at an intersection for no reason used horn continuously took both hands off the wheel while in motion and barked "look no hands" parked in a cripples spot spit on sidewalk terry (civil disobedient ane lovin it) note: you may find humor in post, then again you may not. _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? 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