mr2-digest Wednesday, July 21 1999 Volume 02 : Number 3321 Help IMOC raise money for a new MR2.com server, and pick up cool IMOC mugs, stickers, and T-shirts in the process! See http://cheetah.salsgiver.com/shirts/ for T-shirts, http://www.twosrus.com/imoc.htm for mugs, stickers, and more. --- Subjects ---- [none] ["Parsons, Leigh" ] mr2 Re: HK$ SPF [Stephen Shene ] mr2 Re: plate swapping... ["corey lawson" ] mr2 unsubscribe ["Parsons, Leigh" ] mr2 Japan------>US licence plates [MR2Turbo91@aol.com] Re: mr2 Re: plate swapping... [Jeff Bihn ] mr2 Re: Alignment on H&R lowered 91t [Jeff Bihn US licence plates [Evil Yak ] RE: mr2 Low End Torque Depletion from exhaust... ["Jupiter Kajiwara" ] Re: mr2 Japan------>US licence plates [MR2Turbo91@aol.com] mr2 unsubscribe [Chris & Dennis Otto ] RE: mr2 unsubscribe ["Parsons, Leigh" ] mr2 MKII: Exhasut: Apexi N-1 vs Greddy [Auto Quartz ] Re: mr2 Frequency of oil change w/synthetics? ["Ed Bickford" Subject: [none] unsubscribe ********************************************************************** Powercor Australia Ltd. This email and any file attachments are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please tell us immediately by return email and delete the document. ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 15:45:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Stephen Shene Subject: mr2 Re: HK$ SPF Hi all, This is directly from the HK$ web site. I guess if they get you to throw the filter away every 10k miles, they insure a steady stream of money flowing in!! HKS Super Mega Flow and Super Filters Q. When does the HKS Super Mega Flow filter need to be changed? A. After every oil change, it's a good idea to check to see how dirty the element is. If you can see dirt protruding through the backside of the element, it is time to replace it. Q. How long will the an HKS Filter last? A. Depending on the SMF's location and area you live in, the life expectancy of the filter may vary. 10,000 miles is average. Q. Can the Super Mega Flow filter element be cleaned and then reused? A. No. The SMF elements require a special oil to stop unwanted dirt particles from passing through the multi-layer polyurethane filter. Replacement filter elements are inexpensive and easy to replace. Steve S. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 15:47:02 -0700 From: "corey lawson" Subject: mr2 Re: plate swapping... Hmm... then what about personalized plates? I think you get to keep those. You might not be able to put them on the new car until you get it titled in your state, but you get to keep the plates. My MR2 had personalized plates on it in Washington when I bought it. How do I know? It had no plates on it in the lot, whereas all the other used cars had them... Worst case, you get a temp. registration in FL. It is usually not possible to get a "full" registration for a car in a state other than the one you live in, either (especially if the state you live in has high registration fees, whereas the neighboring states don't)... The fines for this are pretty prohibitive if you get found out... (it was common in WA for the revenuers in WA to go on witch hunts looking for WA residents having Oregon registrations, basically by driving around neighborhoods and asking questions when a car was parked with OR plates... Oregon was some trivial flat fee, whereas Washington uses a graduated tax based on initial value and age of the car, so an MR2 is pretty expensive to register in WA, definitely compared to OR or IL). Unless you're in or married to the military and have a different state as your "home of record" than the one you're stationed in, it's hard to get around this... Also many tales of witch hunts up in northern CA and college towns doing the same thing (pulling over OR/NV plated cards and ticketing drivers w/ CA drivers licenses) are on the Net... - -Corey Lawson clawson@home.com ================================ Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 11:31:13 -0500 From: Jeff Bihn Subject: Re: mr2 How do I get my out of state turbo home? yuend wrote: > Personally, I'd do it. As long as you don't speed too much the chances of > getting pulled over are pretty minimal. And if you have the bill of sale > and title etc. no worries. - - - no worries? until you get that one anal cop. you have to release that plate swapping is ILLEGAL. you can be arrested for it. if you alter the way the car is registered, plated or recognized it is a crime. even if you pull the date tag off one of your vehicles license plates and put it on another, it is a crime. hefty fines and an arrest will most likely follow. if you are a gambling man that doesnt care about that kind of thing (you know... jail and a record) then sure i guess you can do it on your own risk. - - -- Jeff Rebel Motorsports - www.rebelmotorsports.com mailto:jsbihn@rebelmotorsports.com phone: 228-875-6485 fax: 228-875-3164 icq uin#: 2954300 AIM : MR2Rebel ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 08:46:59 +1000 From: "Parsons, Leigh" Subject: mr2 unsubscribe unsubscribe ********************************************************************** Powercor Australia Ltd. This email and any file attachments are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please tell us immediately by return email and delete the document. ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 18:53:41 EDT From: MR2Turbo91@aol.com Subject: mr2 Japan------>US licence plates Hello all, Well I got a small prob with the GT2000 body kit I got... the front is designed to hold a licence plate.. To the point where the body has a cutout for the plate... so, I HAVE to use a plate.... now here is problem #2.. the plate screws are designed for a Japanese licence plate... it is too far apart for a standard US plate.. does anyone know of a place where I can get a bracket to hold the US plate to a Japan spec moutning? Thanks Austin T ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 17:58:07 -0500 From: Jeff Bihn Subject: Re: mr2 Re: plate swapping... corey lawson wrote: > Hmm... then what about personalized plates? I think you get to keep those. > You might not be able to put them on the new car until you get it titled in > your state, but you get to keep the plates. - - right. that is not plate swapping. plate swapping is you put a plate or anything in reference to registeration on a car it doesnt belong too without registering the car for that information. even still DONT DO it. it is funny how it only take a second to be smart about something and a minute to be dumb, and thats usually the thing that causes you trouble. so all these people that are in jail and such actually took their time to get into that situation. - -- Jeff Rebel Motorsports - www.rebelmotorsports.com mailto:jsbihn@rebelmotorsports.com phone: 228-875-6485 fax: 228-875-3164 icq uin#: 2954300 AIM : MR2Rebel ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 18:10:34 -0500 From: Jeff Bihn Subject: mr2 Re: Alignment on H&R lowered 91t Mark Pond wrote: > I'm looking for an answer on the settings that I have after this alignment, > if they are correct... or if I should return and get it redone with new > specs. I've also got crash bolts, FYI. - - by the looks of it, you might want to go back in my opinion. the tires you have are rocks, so any agressive setup should be fine for performance and shouldnt really kill your tires all that much since the tread life on them is kind of high. i run 0.7-1.0 degrees of negative camber on the front. 1.3-1.5 negative camber on the rear. the toe on the front is 0 and the toe on the rear is 25. as far as caster though, there is no oem adjustment for caster on these cars except the old "flip the strut top bushing" trick. > I'm looking for decent performance, and a relatively long tire life... I > have Dunlop D60's on 14" 91t alloys. - - well you cant really say both in the same sentence. sorry performance and long tire life just doesnt happen > Right now the car pulls a little bit to the right. - - most likely the alignment is setup for the road crowning > Should the settings be exactly the same right and left?! - - not necessarily. like i said, alot of places will adjust for road crowning. - -- Jeff Rebel Motorsports - www.rebelmotorsports.com mailto:jsbihn@rebelmotorsports.com phone: 228-875-6485 fax: 228-875-3164 icq uin#: 2954300 AIM : MR2Rebel ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 16:15:36 -0700 From: Evil Yak Subject: Re: mr2 Japan------>US licence plates Now I don't know if this is legal but I've seen some people just place the front license plate on the dash of the car because their body kits won't allow the plate to be placed in their normal location. - -The Yak MR2Turbo91@aol.com wrote: > Hello all, > > Well I got a small prob with the GT2000 body kit I got... the front is > designed to hold a licence plate.. To the point where the body has a cutout > for the plate... so, I HAVE to use a plate.... now here is problem #2.. the > plate screws are designed for a Japanese licence plate... it is too far apart > for a standard US plate.. does anyone know of a place where I can get a > bracket to hold the US plate to a Japan spec moutning? > > Thanks > > Austin T ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 13:20:49 -1000 From: "Jupiter Kajiwara" Subject: RE: mr2 Low End Torque Depletion from exhaust... Since the car is NA I can't compare my experience with it. Like Harry said, though, our similar exhausts are great. His is 85mm and the PE is 70mm, though. As for weight, I don't know? Never felt or had a stock one. Also when I put mines on, I put on a whole slew of perf. parts so I can't accurately say which did what. Jupiter Kajiwara ---- Mid Night ---- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ | http://home.hawaii.rr.com/jupiter/ | | http://www2.hawaii.edu/~jupiter | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ '93 MR2 T67 '94 NSR 250 SE '94 Elite 50 '94 Cannondale M500 - -----Original Message----- From: owner-mr2@iList.net [mailto:owner-mr2@iList.net]On Behalf Of Harry C. Wang Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 1999 8:55 AM To: mr2-interest@mr2.com Subject: Re: mr2 Low End Torque Depletion from exhaust... There’s a couple people with the PE exhaust so I’m sure they’ll be able to give some good impressions (Jupiter?). but I know that when I put mine on I lost just a little low end but everything is great. The turbo spools up like crazy. and my exhaust is 85mm, which is pretty damn big for a 4 cylinder. I think the PE is 75mm? Harry SF Bay Area, CA (San Jose) 92 MR2 Turbo (TOMS/Bomex body kit, Garage SPL exhaust, HKS SPF, Apex AVC-R, misc.) http://move.to/turbotwo >From: "Chris King" >To: "Steven Hausherr" , >CC: >Subject: Re: mr2 Low End Torque Depletion from exhaust... >Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 11:03:05 -0500 > > > I ordered the Greddy exhaust last friday(still waiting) and from what i >hear > > you will not really see much of a gain... But it looks damn nice ;) if >you > > > plan on doing anything else, performance wise, to your car... Oh BTW i >have > > a '91NA.. > >This isn't completely correct. By all accounts, you will lose some low end >but should also gain some high end. The biggest downside, IMHO, to the >Greddy unit is the weight which is very close to the bulky stock unit's >weight. > >Chris K. >Yellow 93 Turbo >Silver 87 NA > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 18:08:40 -0400 From: ADKINS DALE Subject: mr2 Hoy-Fox Toyota..great prices! I just had to let everyone know about my experince so far. I'm sure everyone has read about the great prices they offer us. I decided to see if they were what everyone kept saying. I needed a new ashtray for my 91 (who dosen't). I've put it off because all the local dealers have been 50+ for the stupid thing. I called Hoy Fox and they sell it to us for 28.97. I ordered one! They were VERY nice! At this point I would recommend them to anyone wanting OEM parts! Dale ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 19:19:27 EDT From: MR2Turbo91@aol.com Subject: Re: mr2 Japan------>US licence plates In a message dated 7/21/99 4:14:32 PM US Mountain Standard Time, yak@exo.net writes: > Now I don't know if this is legal but I've seen some people just place the > front > license plate on the dash of the car because their body kits won't allow the > plate to be placed in their normal location. > > -The Yak the problem isn't that there is no place to mount it.. the problem is: a: don't need a front plate in AZ b: there is a cutout in the kit for a japanese plate c: to put in a US plate there, I need a bracket ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 18:17:02 -0500 From: Chris & Dennis Otto Subject: mr2 unsubscribe Please unsubscribe me. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 09:27:26 +1000 From: "Parsons, Leigh" Subject: RE: mr2 unsubscribe Please unsubscribe me. ********************************************************************** Powercor Australia Ltd. This email and any file attachments are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please tell us immediately by return email and delete the document. ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 19:36:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Auto Quartz Subject: mr2 MKII: Exhasut: Apexi N-1 vs Greddy Apexi N-1 = $500 Greddy = $580 Any opinion? p/s: I have a Weapon-R foam intake. === CHEN. Arizona State University, U.S.A '91 Crimson Red MR2 TT, 102k miles. Owner since Aug 1998. * White Gauges Face (Thanx Austin T) * Cup Holder (Thanx Tony W) * Weapon-R Perfomance Intake * MR2 Keychain * Mobil 1 Synthetic Oil and Toyota Filter ** Still a Student _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 18:42:43 -0500 From: "Chris King" Subject: Re: mr2 MKII: Exhasut: Apexi N-1 vs Greddy > Apexi N-1 = $500 > Greddy = $580 I have the Apex-i GT so this might be biased but: Apex-i N1: Pros: - Very light compared to stock - Good gain in power with just a little loss in low end - Plug-in tip to keep the unit quiter Cons: - Single tip - 5" tip might be to "Ricey" for some - not completely stainless (i believe) Greddy: Pros: - Sounds better than stock - Might appeal cosmetically Cons: - Heavy heavy heavy!!! - Power gain doesn't appear to be as good as the Apex-i unit (no dyno to prove however) - Greddy units have somewhat of a bad rep for rusting (not as bad as HKS however) If it were me, I would go for the N1. Actually, I would spend a little more and go for the Apex-I GT. Actually, that is in fact, what I did. Chris K. Yellow 93 Turbo Silver 87 NA ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 16:48:39 PDT From: "Ed Bickford" Subject: Re: mr2 Frequency of oil change w/synthetics? >they'll tell you it is good for 7000miles, that is with a normal car so I >would say 5000miles in a turbo. That is me saying not Mobil so >ask them. >Now, I change my oil usually the first easy opportunity I have after 3000 >but never after 4000 b/c my mileage is 73k. Why not wait the full 5,000 miles then? >But please, don't become obsessed with changing it every 2500 >miles. Lets see.. if I change it after 2,500 miles thats 40 oil changes per 100,000 miles @ $20 per = $800. If you change it after 3,000 thats about 33 times @$20 each = $660. That means every 100,000 miles I am wasting $140 by changing it every 2500 miles. I think for that amount of money I will err on the side of changing it too often. Ed 91T 126,000 miles , burning no oil and reaching max boost on original turbo _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 19:49:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Auto Quartz Subject: Re: mr2 MKII: Exhasut: Apexi N-1 vs Greddy How much did you pay for your Apex-I GT? I live in AZ (USA), so I don't really have to worry about the rust part. What the difference between the APex-I GT and N1? Thanks. - --- Chris King wrote: > > Apexi N-1 = $500 > > Greddy = $580 > > I have the Apex-i GT so this might be biased but: > > Apex-i N1: > Pros: > - Very light compared to stock > - Good gain in power with just a little loss in low end > - Plug-in tip to keep the unit quiter > Cons: > - Single tip > - 5" tip might be to "Ricey" for some > - not completely stainless (i believe) > > Greddy: > Pros: > - Sounds better than stock > - Might appeal cosmetically > Cons: > - Heavy heavy heavy!!! > - Power gain doesn't appear to be as good as the Apex-i unit (no > dyno to > prove however) > - Greddy units have somewhat of a bad rep for rusting (not as bad as > HKS > however) > > If it were me, I would go for the N1. Actually, I would spend a > little more > and go for the Apex-I GT. Actually, that is in fact, what I did. > > Chris K. > Yellow 93 Turbo > Silver 87 NA > > === CHEN. Arizona State University, U.S.A '91 Crimson Red MR2 TT, 102k miles. Owner since Aug 1998. * White Gauges Face (Thanx Austin T) * Cup Holder (Thanx Tony W) * Weapon-R Perfomance Intake * MR2 Keychain * Mobil 1 Synthetic Oil and Toyota Filter ** Still a Student _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 00:53:12 +0100 From: Dino Micouris Subject: Re: mr2 THE FINAL WORD on oil change with Mobil 1 !!! Chris, is that some reference to ME ('dino juice'). Anyway, guys, we seem to be going round in circles. I thought I'd give my feedback as Webmaster of the European Mobil 1 Motorsport Site. Firstly, let me say that Mobil 1 is the world's first truly synthetic oil, and is "the World's most advanced engine oil". "Mobil synthetics are chemically built from the purest elements of the refinery process - gases. This not only removes more of the impurities from the crude oil, it actually enables the individual molecules making up the oil to be tailored to the demands of modern engines." This is what Tony Harlow, Mobil 1 engineer for the McLaren F1 Team, advises in our FAQ: "If your car is under a manufacturer's warranty then the oil should be changed as often as stated under the car warranty. However, if your car is no longer under a manufacturer's warranty then the frequency of an oil change depends entirely on the confidence you have in the oil that your are using. For example, if you are using a relatively cheap mineral oil then an oil change should be carried out approximately every 3000 miles. Mobil has the confidence in Mobil 1 to suggest that an oil change need only be carried out approximately every 25000 miles (as proven in tests)." Right, with regards to the question of the oil getting dirty, first I would carry out a full engine flush with something like Wynn's. Then, I would ensure that the air filter (and oil breather, if applicable) are always kept in good condition (Where do you think the dirt comes from?), as well as a good oil filter (preferably a Toyota filter!). Then, decide on a safe interval for your change. I haven't got an MR2 turbo yet, but I would imagine between 8-10k would be a good idea. If you have modified your car, then you may consider the Motorsport version of Mobil 1. I'm not sure if this is available outside of Europe, but the viscocity is 15W-50 (note that regular Mobil 1 is 0W-40 in the UK, and various from continent to continent according to the temperatures of the region). If you are STILL concerned about your oil changes, then read through the Mobil 1 FAQ at: http://www.mobil1-motorsport.com/products/mobil1/mobil1faq.htm While your there, read this too: http://www.mobil1-motorsport.com/products/mobil1/million.htm If you have further questions, then mail them to: webmaster@mobil1-motorsport.com This will get forwarded to Tony Harlow or Kevin Chinn who will give you the best possible answers. Hope this helps!!!!! > >I get a case of 12 of Mobil one for $24. it is, however, about 3 times >more expensive than havoline, or other dino juice. Well worth it, though. > > >Chris >91 Turbo > >On Wed, 21 Jul 1999, Ari Rosen wrote: > >> I have seen it for around $3.25 at stores here in MD >> >> >>> 07/21 10:44 AM >>> >> In a message dated 7/21/99 12:33:31 AM Central Daylight Time, >> msquare@bway.net writes: >> >> << Brings up another question: Is the price gap between synthetic and >>natural >> oil the same elsewhere as it is in the States? Here, the difference can be >> as much as threefold. >> >> >> Here in Houston I get Mobile 1 Syth 15w50 for $4.40 at Walmart...Even if >>you >> get the 6 pack they come out the same price...Even though I faithfully use >> it...it's kinda hard considering that right next to the Mobile 1 are other >> brands for almost half the cost...or Syth-Blends for less. Ohh for the >> record I think you can get Havoline organic (black bottle) for less than a >> buck. >> Tre' Ridings ('91 Turbo~Spending more $$$ to maintain car than wife) >> > Dino Micouris Webmaster, Mobil 1 Motorsport http://www.mobil1-motorsport.com ------------------------------ End of mr2-digest V2 #3321