mr2-digest Wednesday, September 1 1999 Volume 02 : Number 3575 Help IMOC raise money for a new MR2.com server, and pick up cool IMOC mugs, stickers, and T-shirts in the process! See http://cheetah.salsgiver.com/shirts/ for T-shirts, http://www.twosrus.com/imoc.htm for mugs, stickers, and more. --- Subjects ---- Re: mr2 trannie HELP! ["Chris S." ] mr2 Pet Detective (was:Sudden, drastic drop in MPG) [Dmitri Pappa ] Re: mr2 MKII silver Toyota emblems [Byron Johnson ] mr2 SC Intercooler size ["joel sung" ] Re: mr2 MKII Ball Joint Headache [dkchal@datasync.com (Donald K Chalfant)] RE: mr2 MKII silver Toyota emblems ["Project Two" ] mr2 MKII Turbo: Best bang for the buck on a Stock '91 Turbo? [Jason Love] Re: mr2 MKII Turbo: Best bang for the buck on a Stock '91 Turbo? ["Jason] Re: mr2 SC Intercooler size ["Chris S." ] Re: mr2 MKII Turbo: Best bang for the buck on a Stock '91 Turbo? ["Chris] Re: mr2 MKII Turbo: Best bang for the buck on a Stock '91 Turbo? ["Chris] Re: mr2 MKII Turbo: Best bang for the buck on a Stock '91 Turbo? ["Dave C] Re: mr2 MR2 MK1 Towing [John Kestner ] Re: mr2 MKII Turbo: Best bang for the buck on a Stock '91 Turbo? [dkchal] Re: mr2 MKII Turbo: Brakes questions [Pete Pappas ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 21:05:42 -0400 (EDT) From: "Chris S." Subject: Re: mr2 trannie HELP! Mine does that, but only because of my stupidity. I can put it gingerly into fifth from third, or from second, but I have to give it time to actually sync right. I wouldnt' worry about it and follow the advice at the bottom of this message... Chris 91 Turbo On Wed, 1 Sep 1999 bobschultz@ibm.net wrote: > > > James L Wheeler wrote: > > > ok I'm driving around and every time I put it into 2nd and the rpm's are > > above 3000 it grinds a little and if I shift into 5th out of order (like > > 1st, 2nd, 3rd, then, 5th. Just skip 4th) then it grinds a little also, do > > I need a new trannie or is it the sinkromesh (sp?) > > My 86 did this when it has just a little over 7000 miles. Toyota rebuilt the > transmission under Warranty. When the transmission still did this the head tech > gave me two choices: > > Live with it and don't beat on the car or Live with it and don't beat on the car > > I took the second option. > > Bob > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 18:09:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Dmitri Pappa Subject: mr2 Pet Detective (was:Sudden, drastic drop in MPG) - --- Matt Jenkins wrote: I'll try to run a diagnosis when it gets light.. Another wierd thing I'm noticing is that I'm now getting shocked big time every time I get out of my car. I know static can build up, but every single time (as opposed to rarely ever)? I don't know what grounding has to do with it, who knows.. I still trying to figure out what that 'pressure control sensor (orange sticker) does. > I have battled this same problem for about 2 months now. Starting to think > it may be caused by the AFM. You should definitely check your ECU for error > codes. > I had 2 AFM errors, 1 intake air temp sensor errors and a Turbocharger > pressure sensor error (I believe this one to be caused by hitting fuel cut > due to overboosting). > > I would be interested to see what error codes your ECU is showing. :) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 18:21:40 PDT From: "Ali S" Subject: Re: mr2 Greddy Power Extreme Exhaust I heard this over a month ago. Greddy used to just have a form to sign saying that the car would never be driven on the streets with this exhaust. Greddy is trying to make everything they sell legal.. Now you have to prove to them with pictures and something in writting that your car is track or show only..There are ways around this and i think i could still have gotten the exhaust, but i got the HKS Hiper instead. A shop here was going to import one from japan for me straight thru Trust but the price ended up being near the garage spl unit.. Ali > >Does anyone know where you can buy this system? I tried >jjuanlu@worldnet.att.net (Jeffrey Juanlu) at SP Motorsports but he cannot >get the system anymore. Crap! He said he might be able to if I get 4 other >poeple to buy them. Greddy no longer imports them I guess. If anyone can >find >me a Power Extreme system I'd appreciate it. Thanks! > >Adam ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 18:52:03 -0700 From: Byron Johnson Subject: Re: mr2 MKII silver Toyota emblems How about the black emblems from the newer Supra (or Celica, if they're black)? I've thought about this, but haven't really checked to see if they would fit. The front will probably work, but the trunk lid has a pretty sharp curvature that doesn't exist on the Supra. Another thought is to have them plated a dark color. They do some sort of black chrome plating that may work. Mr2tnut@aol.com wrote: > I removed front and rear toyota emblems from my 93, and am looking for ideas > on what to do with the holes that the emblems stuck in. A local bodyshop > wants $200-350 to fill and paint, *ouch*. If no ideas come up, and I end up > returning the emblems to the car, at least I was able to clean up the > accumulated wax from the areas. - -- Byron Johnson 93 Turbo SF Bay Area ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 21:55:23 EDT From: "joel sung" Subject: mr2 SC Intercooler size Hey group, At one point in my life, I heard that going too large on the IC will put lag on the SC thus defeating the purpose of the supercharger. The reason I ask is this: I want to run a larger intercooler, maybe TT Supra or MR2. I figure that a little bigger is better and if it doesn't fit, move it to the trunk. A foot or two of pvc pipe should do that and then cut air slits in the trunk. Is it too much work for not enough output? Thanks, Joel ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 20:58:11 -0500 From: dkchal@datasync.com (Donald K Chalfant) Subject: Re: mr2 MKII Ball Joint Headache Either get a ball joint puller, or take off the lower control arm to use a vise or anvil to beat on the old joint. The puller works for me. $5-6 at auto parts stores. >Greetings: > >I have spent the last 2 hours "beating" on the front ball joints of my '91T >trying to get them loose. Will someone with knowledge of the removal >process please tell me the secret for getting them off? The 2 bolts on top >are off as well as the nut on the bottom. > >The BGB was no help. > >Thanks very much, >David "hoping to get an alignment and race next weekend" Caraker The Strawberry Kid [86na/89SC/93T-Twossys Galore].. May the Seeds Be With You ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 19:08:56 -0700 From: "Project Two" Subject: RE: mr2 MKII silver Toyota emblems You can just put LED lights there and hook them up to a switch ~ kinda booty if you ask me. You can put a sticker there (not one of calvin pissing on Hondas, please! - get a //TRD Sticker or something, maybe toyota in japanese or i don't know..) Or you can fill and paint. I would rather redo the car and repaint the whole thing but then again I'd rather have a TRD wide body and..... - -PJ2 91 NA > I removed front and rear toyota emblems from my 93, and am > looking for ideas > on what to do with the holes that the emblems stuck in. A local bodyshop > wants $200-350 to fill and paint, *ouch*. If no ideas come up, > and I end up > returning the emblems to the car, at least I was able to clean up the > accumulated wax from the areas. > > Thanks In Advance > Brad McCoy > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Sep 99 22:09:04 -0500 (EDT) From: amicon@amicon.net Subject: RE: mr2 Truck Mounted I/C On Wed 1-Sep-1999 8:15p, MR2Turbo91@aol.com wrote: M> > For those of you interested in the truck mounted i/c, John B. at MR2PP M> What's the point of a TRUCK mounted intercooler? even if the car was M> REALLY fast, it could only go as fast as the TRUCK hauling the M> intercooler along side.... Hhahahaah I was going to reply with a witty response, but saw yours and decided I would let it go at that. How many people are actually using a trunk mounted I/C? John DR. John M. Hoyt / AKA Warren Peace - amicon.net SysAdmin WarNPeace - C-Link! International Coordinator - ZenMetal/CNet Alpha Team Find me on irc.reefer.org - ExodusIRC.Net Admin ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Sep 99 22:15:29 -0500 (EDT) From: amicon@amicon.net Subject: RE: mr2 MKII silver Toyota emblems On Wed 1-Sep-1999 10:08p, bpj@cwix.com wrote: b> Another thought is to have them plated a dark color. They do some sort of b> black chrome plating that may work. Anodizing. It comes in many flavors. John DR. John M. Hoyt / AKA Warren Peace - amicon.net SysAdmin WarNPeace - C-Link! International Coordinator - ZenMetal/CNet Alpha Team Find me on irc.reefer.org - ExodusIRC.Net Admin ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 22:15:50 EDT From: ASinger911@aol.com Subject: mr2 Greddy Power Extreme Exhaust GP Here is the email I got from Jeff Juanlu at SP Engineering concerning getting the Greddy Power Extreme Exhaust System: The PE exhaust is no longer available for $680 and GReddy USA is not supplying it anymore due to it's an off road exhaust and I sold 10 of them and they figure people are using it on the street so GReddy imported the last 2 for me (which are sold) and that was it. Hopefully if you can get 5 of more people to order it at once then GReddy will get it to me again, but the price will be $750 now, sorry about this, and I am positive that if I can't get this exhaust, no one in the US will get it due to my special relation with GReddy USA president, so, let me know. Thanks! Anyway I want a system and I have already got an email from Derek (flynace@pacbell.net) who also wants the system. To take a look at this unbelievable system, Click here: SW20 T67 - Trust BL Power Extreme Exhaust. I need at least 3 more people who are willing to pay $750 to email me asap! This system is far superior to the APEXi deal which looks like it's falling through anyway. If you have any questions, email me and I'll answer them to the best of my abilities. Thanks! Adam Singer ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 22:14:54 -0400 From: "Roger S. Prior" Subject: Re: mr2 Truck Mounted I/C Hehe.. I was going to be a smart ass too and ask where the website is at.. nice to mention it but do we suppose to search for it? :) > > Hi All, > > For those of you interested in the truck mounted i/c, John B. at MR2PP > has 4 pictures at his web site of his '93T project car that also has what looks > to be a stainless steel, custom header. > > > > Steve S. > > What's the point of a TRUCK mounted intercooler? even if the car was REALLY > fast, it could only go as fast as the TRUCK hauling the intercooler along > side.... > > > (spelling checker gone wrong huh?) > > Austin T > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 19:28:31 -0700 From: Jason Love Subject: mr2 MKII Turbo: Best bang for the buck on a Stock '91 Turbo? Hey guys, I was kind of curious, since I'm COMEPLETELY new to the concept of a turbo (and actually caring and improving on your car...), I just wanted to know what's a good starting point for upgrading a Stock MR2 Turbo, while leaving it completely street legal. I was kind of thinking the best place to start would be the intake stuff, like replacing the air filter with a higher flow one, preferably cleanable too. So what intake systems do people like? Thanks, Jason ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 21:26:14 -0500 From: "Jason Dinkins" Subject: Re: mr2 MKII Turbo: Best bang for the buck on a Stock '91 Turbo? Manual Boost Controller. Takes an hour, costs 10 bucks, and can add 30 horsepower(?) or so. I'd recommend staying at 12psi or under. Take care, Jason 91T - ---------- > From: Jason Love > To: mr2-interest@mr2.com > Subject: mr2 MKII Turbo: Best bang for the buck on a Stock '91 Turbo? > Date: Wednesday, September 01, 1999 9:28 PM > > Hey guys, > > I was kind of curious, since I'm COMEPLETELY new to the concept of a turbo > (and actually caring and improving on your car...), I just wanted to know > what's a good starting point for upgrading a Stock MR2 Turbo, while leaving > it completely street legal. I was kind of thinking the best place to start > would be the intake stuff, like replacing the air filter with a higher flow > one, preferably cleanable too. > > So what intake systems do people like? > > Thanks, > Jason ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 22:32:21 -0400 (EDT) From: "Chris S." Subject: Re: mr2 SC Intercooler size I think this one depends on how much boost and what the car will be used for. If you are running higher boost applications, the lag won't be as noticeable, but with a few feet of pvc pipe, you will definitely notice lag. But, if you are running higher boost, the lag would be worth it for the amount of power you would want. Chris 91 Turbo On Wed, 1 Sep 1999, joel sung wrote: > Hey group, > > At one point in my life, I heard that going too large on the IC will put lag > on the SC thus defeating the purpose of the supercharger. The reason I ask > is this: I want to run a larger intercooler, maybe TT Supra or MR2. > > I figure that a little bigger is better and if it doesn't fit, move it to > the trunk. A foot or two of pvc pipe should do that and then cut air slits > in the trunk. > > Is it too much work for not enough output? > > Thanks, > > Joel > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 21:30:59 -0500 From: "Chris King" Subject: Re: mr2 MKII Turbo: Best bang for the buck on a Stock '91 Turbo? > (and actually caring and improving on your car...), I just wanted to know > what's a good starting point for upgrading a Stock MR2 Turbo, while leaving > it completely street legal. 1. Boost Controller 2. Open element intake 3. Exhaust 4. G-Force ECU Chris K. Yellow 93 Turbo Silver 87 NA ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 21:38:58 -0500 From: "Chris King" Subject: Re: mr2 MKII Turbo: Best bang for the buck on a Stock '91 Turbo? > So what intake systems do people like? Many people on the list have gone with the K&N FIPK or the HKS Super Mega Flow. There was a URL someone posted not too long ago that had clips from a japaneese magazine that rated the different intakes. >From memory, the results were as follows: Filtering ability: 1) Apex-i 2) K&N 3) Blitz 4) HKS Power Gain: 1) Apex-i 2) Blitz 3) K&N 4) HKS This may not be completely correct but the Apex-i unit did rate as the best filtering and the most power gain. After seeing the article, i ordered the Apex-i unit although I have not yet received it. It was also pricey at $180 where the others will run you $150. Once I get it and install it, i will give a writeup... Chris K Yellow 93 Turbo Silver 87 NA ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 19:54:19 PDT From: "Dave Chang" Subject: Re: mr2 MKII Turbo: Best bang for the buck on a Stock '91 Turbo? Hello, I've got the RMS ram air intake and I love it. It points directly at the side vent for a ram air effect. You may have to purchase one rubber tube to make it point in the right direction but I haven't done that yet and I works perfectly. I really helped with turbo spool up. If you want one you can get in touch with Jeff Bihn at rebelmotorsports. Later. Dave C. mysticninja@hotmail.com 92T PS. For the most noticable increase in performance you should get an after market exhaust. I have the Greddy PE which apparently is not being sold here anymore. You can, however, get on the last group purchase with Adam ( ASinger911@aol.com ) >Hey guys, > >I was kind of curious, since I'm COMEPLETELY new to the concept of a turbo >(and actually caring and improving on your car...), I just wanted to know >what's a good starting point for upgrading a Stock MR2 Turbo, while leaving >it completely street legal. I was kind of thinking the best place to start >would be the intake stuff, like replacing the air filter with a higher flow >one, preferably cleanable too. > >So what intake systems do people like? > >Thanks, >Jason ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 19:55:38 -0700 From: John Kestner Subject: Re: mr2 MR2 MK1 Towing Just a little plug... if you're going to be towing one way (say, after buying the 2 in another state), try out U-Haul's new online rates/reservations system at . You can't yet finalize a reservation online, but you can at least get a rate quote for now. I also have access to pretty much all of our towing and hitch info, so ask if you got a question. And give me feedback on the website if you try it - . John (aka U-Haul webmaster) yeller 91T - ---- The real in us is silent; the acquired is talkative. - Kahlil Gibran john@coloured.net - http://coloured.net Coloured - graphic/interactive/product ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 21:58:57 -0500 From: dkchal@datasync.com (Donald K Chalfant) Subject: Re: mr2 MKII Turbo: Best bang for the buck on a Stock '91 Turbo? K & N > >I was kind of curious, since I'm COMEPLETELY new to the concept of a turbo >(and actually caring and improving on your car...), I just wanted to know >what's a good starting point for upgrading a Stock MR2 Turbo, while leaving >it completely street legal. I was kind of thinking the best place to start >would be the intake stuff, like replacing the air filter with a higher flow >one, preferably cleanable too. > >So what intake systems do people like? > >Thanks, >Jason The Strawberry Kid [86na/89SC/93T-Twossys Galore].. May the Seeds Be With You ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 22:46:46 -0400 From: Pete Pappas Subject: Re: mr2 MKII Turbo: Brakes questions You could just look at the steering wheel....it says "ABS" on it....and yes, the light does come on when you turn on the ignition. On Sun, 29 Aug 1999 17:46:05 -0500 "David Hawkins" writes: >>Was ABS just an option or was it standard on the Turbo cars? If it >was an >>option, how could I figure out if it's got ABS without slamming on >the >>brakes on some flat, straight road? ie, is there some little black >box >>that's there if it's ABS, or not there if it ain't? > >It was optional on all MKII cars, and you can tell it has ABS by >looking >behind the black plastic cover in the trunk. In front of the left >front >wheel, there will be a very large gizmo with brake lines going into >it >as well as some electrical connectors. This is the ABS >controller...and >if the car doesn't have ABS, there will just be a very small metal >junction. > >I also don't think the ABS light will come on when you start the car >(when >all of the idiot lights come on and cycle out). > >David Hawkins >93T X 2 >85NA > > Pete '91T (2#7) ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! 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