mr2-digest Monday, March 16 1998 Volume 02 : Number 438 Re: MR2 VPC question #3 Re: MR2 Vs Type R Integra Re: MR2 Vs Type R Integra Re: MR2 MKII Turbo Manifold on 5SFE? Re: MR2 Speeding ticket/court/140MPH! MR2 GENERIC ANTENNAS MR2 heel and toe and Integra Type R Re: MR2 Silly boost gauge question MR2 Re: mr2-digest V2 #434 MR2 Mk I roll cage for sale More Integra vs MR2 MR2 Re: Compression MR2 MKI short shift kit? Re: Honda Vs MR2 MR2 FW: Compression measurements MR2 Performance Products Parts MR2 Literature for Sale ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 13:15:41 -0500 From: turbochris@ramworks.com (TurboChris) Subject: Re: MR2 VPC question #3 At 05:01 PM 3/11/98 PST, Harry C. Wang wrote: >Okay, hopefully this will be the last question: What do you do with the >electircal connector that plugged into the AFM? I thought that the VPC Put a small plastic bag over it, wrap it up tight with electrical tape, hang it somewhere it won't touch anything hot and melt, and then forget about it. >the VPC sends the signals straight to the ECU instead of going through >the old AFM harness? Correct. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 13:14:27 -0800 From: "John Peacock" Subject: Re: MR2 Vs Type R Integra t. The R brakes are phenominal but I >think my 93T with Stillen pads are right with it ] The specs Sperts and GT cars say 145 feet from 60 to 0. That sucks. My Rodeo does it better. The MR2 in the bang for the buck in 93 does it in 113 ft. There was no handling specs so I can be open minded enough to say maybe. I just find it hard to believe. John ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 10:28:30 -0800 From: Micky Thutiyakul Subject: Re: MR2 Vs Type R Integra That's interesting. I've raced quite a number of new gen Integras in my MK1 (they all have either GS-R RS+R, VTEC or Type R...sometimes all of them...on their lids, but who really knows these days?). In corners, they take it significantly slower than I do and start speeding up afterwards trying to take me on the short straights (hoping they have better acceleration than I do?). What I really hate is on a two lane road, they would use both lanes in cornering at speeds which I can take easily on the tighter inside lane. Pretty challenging to pass when they drive on the center divider line. One nearly smacked into my door once when I beat him to the apex. During cornering, even the lowered ones exhibit significant body roll and a loose tail (from what I could tell in the rear view mirror). As for top speeds, the ones I've met usually lost their nerve around 120 mph. I wouldn't mind meeting a real Type R one day though, other than that I don't think any Acura short of the NSX is much of a challenge. Micky '89 SC MR2 > Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 00:20:40 EST > From: DfGu > Subject: Re: MR2 Vs Type R Integra > > I've raced mkii's before with my integra... and on cornering.. that's where i > killed them... i'll admit, on straight roads they'll kill me... and plus... > when they corner with they're mkii... tires squeek like hell.. u don't hear > jack from my car.. > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 10:29:15 -0800 From: sirmike@ns.net Subject: Re: MR2 MKII Turbo Manifold on 5SFE? I'm thinking the water can come from the water by-pass hose that normally goes to the throttle body? Oil from the oil cooler? (The deals that screw over the oil filter mount and then you screw the oil filter onto it?) Maybe even run the water from the current oil cooler? Will this work? Anyone? Mike C ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 10:39:11 -0800 (PST) From: Joe Kowalski Subject: Re: MR2 Speeding ticket/court/140MPH! I've been reading all this stuff about tickets and speeding, crashing and racing on the street, and... Whew! I guess I don't drive fast enough, or corner hard enough, or "step out" enough. It's OK though, I also don't blow tires, hit trees, jump curbs, slid backwards at 100MPH out of control, or pay higher insurance rates, spend days in traffic school or pay speeding tickets. I guess I live a dull life . Sometimes I think some of these stories are of the "you should have seen the one that got a way" variety. But hey, I live vicariously through the digest so tell it man, tell it. == Joe Kowalski ____________________________ Orange Pearl 88 SC - SF Bay Area IMOC# 1SC000008 Comming Soon! CA License "BABY K" A tribute to my grandaughter! _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 12:41:38 -0600 From: Morrie Bowie Subject: MR2 GENERIC ANTENNAS 
Just the mast, it's about $45. As a matter of fact, if you had owned a
non-wing MR2, the mast should be the same as a Camry (usually in stock).
Wing-ed MR2s need a grommet for the wing.
Loop Toyota here in Chicago also sells Chrysler-Dodge.  I bought a replacement mast ( in Chrysler packaging ) for $19.  OEM match.

Morrie
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  ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 13:40:16 -0500 From: "Miller, Bill [PRI]" Subject: MR2 heel and toe and Integra Type R First, the heel and toe. 'Heel and toe' is actually a misnomer. While it's true that some people (the racers mentioned as examples) do do a heel and toe (regardless of which way). The more 'conventional' method is to use the ball of your foot on the brake and the right side of your foot to blip the gas, in somewhat of a side-to-side rocking motion. This being said, the 'ideal' pedal position is where there is not too much gap between the gas and the brake and the height of the gas peddle happens to be about level with the brake pedal when the brakes are applied very hard. This is how I was taught when I learned to drive my race car and is the technique I use today. It is a much more natural position for your foot. Now, the Type R thing. First of all, thanks to Tommy G. for the reality check on how this thread started. Secondly, anecdotal information doesn't say much (as someone pointed out). The real key is the driver. You put an excellent driver in a mediocre car and he will do pretty well. Probably much better than a novice driver in a really good car. I used to think that I was a pretty good street driver... until I went to race school. Boy did I have a lot to learn. Since then, I've instructed people for time trials (like Solo I, real race tracks w/ street cars, limited passing zones, no wheel to wheel racing). I've done it (instructed, get your minds out of the gutter! :-]~~~) in a variety of cars (M3, Integra type R, Corvette, RX-7, SAAB Sonnet, etc.). For the most part, the people who thought they were 'great' street drivers had no clue about how to really get through a corner and came nowhere near using the full potential of their cars. I've seen these people trash some very nice (and supposedly well handling) cars (including, but not limited to, a ZR1 vette, 300 ZX TT, and yes, a Mk II T). I will say that when I drove the Type R (a 97), I was quite impressed. It was a nice, smooth car. It was very stable in the turns. It just did not have any low-end grunt (195hp / 130ft-lb). It seemed to be a pretty forgiving and confidence inspiring car. I don't think that it would out handle my Mk I race car, but then again, my car is set up to be just that, a race car. I wouldn't even think of driving it on the street. The thing I don't agree with from this thread, is the apparent opinion that any MR2 is vastly superior to a Type R Integra. I think that they are pretty close and as Randy Chase pointed out, you could put a good driver in one car and a fair driver in the other and the good driver would win, regardless of which car. my $0.02 Bill ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 10:25:42 -0800 From: "Sabrina and Alex Pun" Subject: Re: MR2 Silly boost gauge question >My friend has a '93 MR2 turbo and we just bought an Autometer boost >gauge (the one with the satin silver face). We also put in a restrictor >to the wastegate that we expected to give 3psi over stock. However, >after hooking up the gauge and taking it on the freeway for some >testing, I was really confused. The car would hit 12psi in 3rd and >almost 14.5psi in 4th and 15psi in 5th (and it would drop off slowly as >the revs rose). This is probably because you have a restrictor. An electronic boost controller would give you more stable boost. >Now, my friend doesn't have the FCD so I assumed fuel >cut would be at 12 or 12.5psi! We are very close to sea level if that >helps any. btw, we hit fuel cut once or twice at WOT in 5th but >otherwise no fuel cut problems. It is different on every car. Also I think it depends on temperature and humidity and also the length of time you are at high boost. >Ok, I tapped the boost gauge on that extra port coming off the intake >manifold, the one with a plug on it. The plastic tubing that came with >the Autometer wasn't long enough to reach the mounting location so I >went out and bought some 1/8in plastic tubing. However, it looks a tiny >bit larger in diameter than the Autometer-supplied tubing, but maybe >just the tubing walls are thicker. > >Is there something wrong with the tubing? Should I get the exact >diameter or does it matter? Or is there something wrong with the >gauge? I can't believe that the fuel cut would let the car build up >that much boost...and it doens't feel *that* fast :) As long as there's no vaccuum leak, it should be fine. Alex Pun Yellow 91 MR2T (Trust exhaust, K&N FIPK, GReddy PRofec, GReddy Boost Cut Controller, HKS 46mm boost gauge, Accel 300+ Ignition Amplifier and Coil, Nology Hotwires) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 14:02:27 -0800 From: Jason Kho Subject: MR2 Re: mr2-digest V2 #434 Michael, I have an 89 white SC with red interior that doesn't have very many power accessories: - - no power door locks - - no power windors - - no ac - - no leather It does have: - - cruise - - power mirrors - - power antennae I agree with you that most of the SCs that I have seen are fully loaded. Jason >Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 18:36:37 -0800 >From: Michael Newell >Subject: MR2 Supercharged Question > >To all the supercharged gurus out there, I have a question. How common >or rare is it to see a SC MR2 without power accesories. You know, stuff >like power windows, door locks, mirrors, etc. I thought that most of >the SCs that were out there were pretty much totally loaded. The reason >I'm asking this is because my SC doesn't have any of these power >features, and I was talking to Todd Clark who also has an 88 SC, but his >along with just about everyone elses that I've seen are loaded. > >So, What's the deal? Is it actually pretty rare to find a SC without >power accesories? Thanks in advance.... > Jason Jason Kho Field Producer ========================================================== Webworks Worldwide Inc. Phone: (416) 504-2424 ext. 231 www.webworks.ca Fax: (416) 504-7987 "Providing Web-based Business Solutions" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 14:02:22 -0500 From: "Miller, Bill [PRI]" Subject: MR2 Mk I roll cage for sale My prep guy has a 6-point roll cage for a Mk I for sale. Contact Charlie Greehaus Entropy Racing (609)758-3130 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 11:19:59 -0800 From: "T. Guy" Subject: More Integra vs MR2 DfGu wrote: I've raced mkii's before with my integra... and on cornering.. that's where i killed them... i'll admit, on straight roads they'll kill me... and plus... when they corner with they're mkii... tires squeek like hell.. u don't hear jack from my car.. Great anecdote! What I deduct from this convoluted reasoning is that you are a better DRIVER than the drivers of the MR2s you raced. Next time you make such a ludicrous jump in logic make sure it is off a short pier c y a ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 14:32:08 EST From: Road Noise Subject: MR2 Re: Compression I'm in the process of replacing my stock head gasket with an HKS metal one. 85K on car and the stock one was just begining to leak...didn't want it to get any further. Anyway, before pulling the head I did a compressing test...All four cylinders hit and held 150psi on the gauge, actually as the engine was cranked they all hit 160 for a split second but the gauge never held there. I was gald to se the linear relationship of all 4 cylinders. As I'm sure you know the book specifies a min of 128 psi and a max of 164 or above. Although all your cylinders are within tolerance something funy is going on with #4...did you try pouring oilinto the cylinder and taking another reading on that cylinder...it could be as simple as a sticking valve. On the other hand if the compression improves it may be the rings. The leak down you mentioned will do the trick too, just figured I'd post the options for others with similar concerns that may not have leak down test kit. Ron...MA too ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 11:31:31 -0800 From: sirmike@ns.net Subject: MR2 MKI short shift kit? Mr Oellrich (sp?) Are you still making short shift kits? I met a guy on the IRC channel and he wants one.. Here's his address if you could please send him the info. Keep in mind I don't know who he is, so I'd make sure to get the check before sending it out or send it COD of course.. ryansaari@hotmail.com And he is |tobal| on #mr2.. Mike C ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 11:42:56 -0800 From: Randy Chase Subject: Re: Honda Vs MR2 Mike Dwyer wrote: > > HUH????????????? Huh what? Oh, did I post this too the MR2 list and not the Honda list? Oops... I was lying here is the first story, this is what really happened! I was driving up 395 with just my wife, on our way to a nice weekend. I saw an Acura NSX up ahead. (Joe K, this is a true story!). The NSX was giving it all he had, but my superior NA MKII kept gaining on him, sure he did okay in the twisties, but I had so much more pull and top end than he had. At speeds approaching 230mph, I overtook him, with still power to spare. I saw him glance over and as his eyes spied my IMOC stickers, you could see the defeat written on his face. P.S. I am not serious. Randy Chase "The Storytelling Kid -May the Deeds be with you" '91 MR2 AKA "NSX killer" '96 Honda Oddysey AKA "MR2 eater" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 14:49:30 -0500 From: "Brennan, John" Subject: MR2 FW: Compression measurements Sorry list - I forgot to mention that the car is a Turbo. > -----Original Message----- > From: Brennan, John > Sent: Monday, March 16, 1998 10:32 AM > To: 'Mr2 - Post' > Subject: > > Has anyone taken compression readings on their MKII. I just took some > measurements this weekend and found: > 155,155,155 and cylinder #1 - 135 (not good!). > > Since the head was overhauled last summer, my guess is it may be > rings. I plan to do a leak- down test this week. > > I would be curious with some of your observations. Thanks. > > John Brennan > john.brennan@fmr.com > (617) 563-1110 > Boston, MA 02109 > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 15:11:11 -0500 From: "Brad Franklin" Subject: MR2 Performance Products Parts Hi all, Haven't been on here in quite a while. I have some credit with MR2 Performance Products that is up for "sale". A while back I returned a full set of MR2 Performance Products Carbon-Metallic brake pads because they were on mega backorder and they agreed to refund. Well months went by and no refund, so I called, and to make it short, they'll give me credit towards a purchase of their products, but won't give me cash back. Problem is, I needed a back seat, so I traded my '91 MR2 Turbo for a '97 M3 (sorry guys..). Anyway I'm stuck with credit (a tad under $200) that I can't really do much with, so my proposal is to anyone who needs some parts/upgrades from MR2 PP and wants to try this, give me a call/email and we can work out a deal where I get to use up my credit with MR2 PP. I'll even throw in a perfectly good Nology Powercore (I took it off my car before I sold it, but it still had the Hotwires though). I guess MR2 PP would go along with this, I don't see why not, but if anyone! is interested in helping me out, you can contact me at: bbb@mindspring.com or 770-926-8457 and we'll go from there. Sorry to eat up digest space ya'll. Later, Brad Franklin ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 12:17:48 -0800 From: Michael Newell Subject: MR2 Literature for Sale Okay... About a week or so ago, I was perusing alt.autos.toyota, and I ran across this guy who had an ad for literature of all types. I wrote him back asking about MR2 stuff, and also some T-bird stuff for my dad, but anyways he wrote back and this is what he had.... Hi Michael, The 63 Thunderbird catalog is very difficult to find and expensive when you do. At this time I can't loccate one. I do have the following items that include the Toyota MR2: 1985 full line 16p. catalog, 8-84..........$2.00 1985 full line 16p. catalog,12-84..........$2.00 1985 MR2 24p. (plus foldout) catalog,12-84................$6.00 1985 full line car & truck accessories 12p. catalog......$3.00 1985 "road & Track" Guide to MR2, 100p. part color catalog........$5.00 1986 full line 20p. catalog, 8-85...........$2.00 1986 full line 20p. catalog, 2-86............$2.00 1986 MR2 catalog.....out of stock 1986 MR2 / Celica accessories folder......$2.00 1987 full line 24p. catalog, 8-86..........$2.00 1987 full line 24p. catalog, 1-87..........$2.00 1987 MR2 12p. catalog, 8-86..............$6.00 1988 full line 24p. catalog, 8-87............$2.00 1988 full line 24p. catalog, 12-87..........$2.00 1988 MR2 12p. catalog, 8-87...............$5.00 1988 full line audio accessories folder....$2.00 1988 full line car accessories 8p. catalog.....$3.00 1988 full line warranty sheet, 1-88......$1.00 1989 full line 24p. catalog, 9-88........$2.00 1989 full line 24p. catalog, 12-88.......$2.00 1989 MR2 12p. catalog, 9-88...........$6.00 1989 full line 16p. accessories catalog.....$4.00 1990 No MR2 this model year 1991 full line 28p. catalog, 9-90.......$2.00 1991 full line 28p. catalog, 12-90......$2.00 1991 MR2 16p. (plus foldout) catalog, 2-90........$5.00 1991 MR2 16p. (plus foldout) catalog, 9-90........$5.00 1992 full line 32p. catalog, 9-91.........$2.00 1992 full line 32p. catalog, 12-91.......$2.00 1992 full line 32p. catalog, 1-92.........$2.00 1992 MR2 16p. catalog, 8-91.............$5.00 1993 full line 28p. catalog, 8-92.........$2.00 1993 full line 32p. catalog, 10-92........$2.00 1993 MR2 16p. (plus foldout) catalog, 1-92.......$5.00 1993 full line accessories folder..........$3.00 1994 full line 32p. catalog, 9-93........$2.00 1994 full line 32p. catalog, 1-94........$2.00 1994 MR2 12p. (plus foldout) catalog, 12-93.......$4.00 1994 full line 12p. accessories catalog.......$3.00 1994 MR2 accessories folder.......$2.00 1995 full line 32p. catalog, 12-94.......$2.00 1995 full line 32p. catalog, 2-95.........$2.00 1995 MR2 ( don't think there was a separate MR2 catalog printed for 95) 1995 full line salesman's accessories 20p. catalog.......$5.00 All of these items are in color unless noted and in very good to excellent condition. Well, it looks like he has that coveted Road and Track guide to the MR2. Wasn't that what everyone was looking for a few months back? I'm going to E-mail him and ask him how many he's got of those, but, I definitely want one!! Is anyone else interested in any of this stuff? Let me know and I'll talk to him some more.... ------------------------------ End of mr2-digest V2 #438