mr2-digest Thursday, June 18 1998 Volume 02 : Number 955 MR2 Chevy Nova w/ a 4a-ge? Re: MR2 Chevy Nova w/ a 4a-ge? Re: MR2 86 MKI Drive Axel Lock Nut MR2 Ordering from US... MR2 Is there an AutoX in SanDiego this weekend? Re: MR2 MKII Turbo questions Re: FW: MR2T VPC's and Wacky Idle Re: 1998 MR2 Prices RE: MR2 Font/Stickers Re: MR2 Is there an AutoX in SanDiego this weekend? re: MR2 oil leak 87 MR2 ?'s re: MR2 best mod for the money Re: MR2 Boost Guages Re: 1998 MR2 Prices re: MR2 idle speeds re: MR2 shifting @ low RPM's MR2 MK1 NA 1985 - Toyota Manuals in the UK Re: MR2 MKI and 88 FX MR2 Classified Ad - Turbo for sale Re: MR2 Chevy Nova w/ a 4a-ge? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 14:32:20 -0500 From: toyotamr2@juno.com (Guess Who) Subject: MR2 Chevy Nova w/ a 4a-ge? I was looking through my grandfathers chiltons manual this weekend for american cars only during 1982-1989, and saw the chevy nova, the engine looked like a 4a-ge, so i turned the page back to engine specs,and sure enough it said 4a-ge made by toyota, was the nova similar to the corolla in the 80's?? They also had another toyota engine in the nova before efi which was also made by toyota it was a 4a-le or something like that it was a single cam, and was also carburated, does anyone have anyother information on these engines, or cars? Thanks Joe Blue 85 Loaded _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 15:18:27 -0500 From: Mark Mandrell Subject: Re: MR2 Chevy Nova w/ a 4a-ge? >I was looking through my grandfathers chiltons manual this weekend for >american cars only during 1982-1989, and saw the chevy nova, the engine >looked like a 4a-ge, so i turned the page back to engine specs,and sure >enough it said 4a-ge made by toyota, was the nova similar to the corolla >in the 80's?? They also had another toyota engine in the nova before efi >which was also made by toyota it was a 4a-le or something like that it >was a single cam, and was also carburated, does anyone have anyother >information on these engines, or cars? Thanks Oh that is right, for a while Chevy Nova's were rebadged Corolla's. Then they were rolled into the Geo line and became Prisms. Mark Mandrell 86 MR2 87 MR2 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 16:16:39 -0400 From: Ron Paukovits Subject: Re: MR2 86 MKI Drive Axel Lock Nut Mark, I've had the trans out of my '87 more times than I care to recall, and I've never even bothered with the BAN (Big ass nut). I just unbolt the axles at the flanges and let them set to the side. Ron MKI x 3 GSX-R 1100 Mark Mandrell wrote: > Prepping to start putting the new trans in my 86 tomorrow. Does anybody > know what size the Drive axel lock nut is? It is definately larger than > anything I have, so it is a trip to buy tools! I would prefer to buy just > one socket if I can find the size. Thanks > > Mark Mandrell > 86 MR2 Red > 87 MR2 White (Parts Car) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 08:24:07 +1200 From: "Doig, Richard" Subject: MR2 Ordering from US... >I would also add I have tried to get them from the states, but Jay Marks >Toyota and Lou Fusz Toyota decline to answer my enquiries. not >everyone has it as easy as you lot in the States, y'know. There is also no >central Toyota publications in the UK. > I've had this problem too. I dealt successfully with Jay Marks two years ago (manuals) but haven't had a single reply to any fax since! I want to buy the US Alltrac bodykit (a $1500 sale) and they ignored me. Many Americans don't realise that it is _common_ for foreign enquiries to be completely ignored. I'd say about 60% go unanswered. Dealing with the US is not just a matter of picking up the phone cause we can't even ring 1800 numbers... and when things go wrong you can do squat... >So, penny-wise Pound fooolish US'ers, stop winging about the cost of high >octane fuel there (for example) and trying to work out how you can save 20 >cents by using sub-standard fuel (I'd like to see you stomach a full tank >here at 35 dollars a pop) and I'll stop complaining about manuals. Damn straight. And I'll start complaining about the unavailibility of decent synthetic gearbox oil here for less than US$15 a litre... :-P Richard ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 13:52:23 -0700 From: "McQuillin, Gordon" Subject: MR2 Is there an AutoX in SanDiego this weekend? I'm going to be out in San Diego this weekend, and was wondering is there is an AutoX out there this weekend since I'll be missing mine here in Tucson. Also who from the list will be out there this weekend? Maybe we could do dinner somewhere. Have a good one everybody. Gordon McQuillin 91'T Black ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 16:05:17 -0500 From: "Nathan Dyck" Subject: Re: MR2 MKII Turbo questions Jake McGuire wrote >Just bought a aquamarine pearl '91T hardtop about a month ago, and >have a few questions. > > 1) This thing burns oil. It passed a compression test, which >implicates the turbo. Also there's oil on some of the turbo hoses etc. >The local Toyota dealer wants >$2000 for the parts alone to replace the >turbo. Can I just keep feeding it oil until I decide that I want to >upgrade the turbo, which might be a year or more? I don't think it's the turbo. If it was the turbo you would be trailing a cloud of white smoke. Try tightening all the hose clamps from the turbo to the throttle body. Don't over tighten them or the heat expansion may cause them to break. Also check carefully for rips in the hoses. You may have to replace some of them. Everything after the turbo and before the intercooler gets very hot and eventually wears out. It's normal for turbo cars to use a little bit of oil from normal turbo blow-by. > 2) The boost has started coming on jerkily at full or almost full >throttle. What causes this, how much are the parts to fix it, and after >I buy the BGB, will I be able to do it in my apartment's parking lot? Try new plugs, rotor, dist. cap, and wires. The stock stuff from Toyota works great on the stock engine. A new air filter and fuel filter wouldn't hurt either if they haven't been changed for a while. > 3) The car has developed a shimmy at speeds greater than 60mph. >Should I just suck it up and go to an alignment shop and get them to >balance the wheels, or whatever? And any suggestions on non-factory >alignments? Make sure that the lug nuts are properly torqued to 76ft-lbs. If you have aftermarket wheels they should be hub-centric. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 16:06:28 -0500 (CDT) From: star2@ix.netcom.com Subject: Re: FW: MR2T VPC's and Wacky Idle On 06/18/98 11:56:25 you wrote: I have had my vpc for some months now and mine does the same thing, half the time it even stalls once or twice on cold start. =( Very frustrating, dont knw what it is though. Chris 91T baltimore, MD >> It will fix by itself. Very normal, the ECU is learning the idle rpms. >> I >> like it this way too. Looks like those WRC cars. >> >> >> Actually when I first installed the VPC the idle was very poor, but >> seemed to fix itself after 5 or 10 minutes. >> Things worked well for at least a month or so, then suddenly when I >> first started the car from cold it would idle at 1500rpm for about 5 >> seconds, then almost stall for a few seconds, then jump back up to >> 1500rpm, and them after 10 seconds more would drop down to 500-600rpm >> then smooth out. Lately it has been getting worse, but seems to idle >> fine after 5 minutes or so. >> >> Do you think it could be my cold start injector, or the VPC doing >> something to the fast idle circuit during the warmup process ? >> >> Geoff Seeley, any more comments ? >> >> Shane >91T SheDevil2 > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 14:11:59 PDT From: "Bryan Bennett" Subject: Re: 1998 MR2 Prices ... a V-6 Twin Turbo MR2 would eat an NSX for breakfast before it moved on to an F355 ... I belive that the F355 has already been digested by one of our very own. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 17:17:16 -0400 From: "Edward H Chan" Subject: RE: MR2 Font/Stickers Hi all: I have a vinyl cutter will cut any letter, any color (but no multi color.....can be done but lots of work). Any fonts, any size and even "Type R" or "Mugen" (if you guys dare to stick it onto the 2s)and of course TRD and Tom's............ Any one interested can email me direct. - --> -----Original Message----- - --> From: owner-mr2@slapshot.hockey.net - --> [mailto:owner-mr2@slapshot.hockey.net]On Behalf Of Eric Nghiem - --> Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 1998 7:41 AM - --> To: mr2-digest@mr2.com - --> Subject: Re:MR2 Font/Stickers - --> - --> - --> Ok, - --> - --> I got a nifty idea. If someone has or has access to a - --> decent printer with waterproof - --> ink that will work well with the HP adhesive paper, I would - --> gladly pay $5-10 for - --> someone to print me the MR2 Logo, the Toyota badge and a - --> G-Limited badge for my MR2 - --> as mine were painted over=(. I know that others would be - --> intresting in having this - --> done too. With $25 a pack of like 10/15. $5-10 each would - --> seem to be profitable, no? - --> - --> Any takers for the idea? - --> - --> Eric Nghiem - --> 1987 MR2 NA, soon to be turboed=) - --> - --> ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 14:17:46 -0700 From: Randy Chase Subject: Re: MR2 Is there an AutoX in SanDiego this weekend? McQuillin, Gordon wrote: > > I'm going to be out in San Diego this weekend, and was wondering is > there is an AutoX out there this weekend since I'll be missing mine here > in Tucson. > > Also who from the list will be out there this weekend? Maybe we could > do dinner somewhere. > Well, there was an autocross here in San Diego, but some little sports network called ESPN took over the Stadium lot for the Street Luge X Games. They luge right into the road leading into the stadium lot. So we were kicked out, and we are working hard to get another lot, and that looks good. It would be at the old Naval Training Center (NTC) on the bay, which is smaller, but at least we will not compete with the Padres, Aztecs, Chargers, PCA, Auto swapmeets, RV shows, lowrider car shows, 3 on 3 basketball, alarge music events, and a bunch of other people that use the stadium. There is a rumor that we might get the other lot in early July, just to do a trial run on, but we have no event for June. However, we are free to do a lunch/dinner anyway. I know a great Mexican food place in Old Town. 8) Give me a good excuse to wash my car. Randy Chase '91 MR2 NA ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 17:40:54 -0400 From: nu3y@CritPath.Org Subject: re: MR2 oil leak Mike Tomasello posts: >Got home today to see oil running from under the car. NOT from the oil pan >pug. Im guessing its from the oil filter but I cant seem to move that. What >else could it be? Mike, there is a good possibility that you have an oil pan gasket leak (fairly common), or a distributor O-ring leak (also fairly common). I've had to replace both in my '91 NA at about 96,000mi., and have heard many others having the same problem. Mine didn't show any oil on the garage floor yet, but it was only a matter of time. - ----- Joe Pearlstein '91 Crimson Red MKII, Past owner of '86 Super Red MKI IMOC # 2NA000004 Philadelphia, PA mailto:nu3y@critpath.org ICQ# 3480202 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 14:50:35 PDT From: "Todd klosnick" Subject: 87 MR2 ?'s Hello, What octane rating should I put into my 87 NA? I've been putting in 93 for quite a while now. Also, I will try this again. Why is it that most MK1 87 MR2s that the mudflap on the drivers side shrivels up after awhile? Maybe this goes for 86's, 88, 89's too! I've seen 5 87's that this has happened to w/ no explaination!! Thanks, TK ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 17:47:54 -0400 From: nu3y@CritPath.Org Subject: re: MR2 best mod for the money >All said tongue in cheel, so please don't take offense, but as someone >who owns an NA car, I think your money is better spent away from the >engine. Just my opinion! Right on again, Randy! - ----- Joe Pearlstein '91 Crimson Red MKII, Past owner of '86 Super Red MKI IMOC # 2NA000004 Philadelphia, PA mailto:nu3y@critpath.org ICQ# 3480202 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 18:01:35 EDT From: will.777@juno.com (William K. Chan) Subject: Re: MR2 Boost Guages I'm running with an Autometer right now. It has a silver face and is backlit. Also, it works in psi, which is what I want. Basically, it's cool with me. :[) 92 MISTERTWOTURBO On Wed, 17 Jun 1998 15:34:03 EDT Mr2toy726@aol.com writes: >I need an aftermarket boost guage for my 91 MR2 Turbo. The HK$ and >GReddy >guages are pretty $$$ so I'm leaning towards VDO or Autometer. Anyone >use >either of these? Autometer has a 2 1/16 boost guage that goes from 30 >inches >of vacuum to 30lbs of boost (more than enough range). It come in >black with >either a white or black face. VDO has a black on black 2" or 2 1/16" >guage >that goes from 30inches to 25lbs of boost. Anyone use either of >these? Any >comments? > >I plan to mount it on the steering column in a cup from Racer >Wholesale. I >like the idea of A-pillar pods, but when I drove a MR2 with the A >pillar pod I >found the boost guage a little out of my usual line of sight. >"Officer I >didn't know I was speeding...I was watching my boost guage" (Austin, >Gordon - >do you think that would have worked?) > >Austin T., what cup are you using? > >Thanks, > >Aaron >91 T >91 NA > _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 18:01:34 EDT From: will.777@juno.com (William K. Chan) Subject: Re: 1998 MR2 Prices But with such a layout, wouldn't the weight ratio and the balance be compromised? They'd probably have to go with aluminum block and heads. When the 2 was transformed from the MKI to the MKII, lots of magazines bagged on the heavy weight as well as the numbed out feel of the car. Lots of power in a twin-turbo six, though. 92 MISTERTWOTURBO On Wed, 17 Jun 1998 10:38:03 -0400 Steve Bagdon writes: >With twin-turbos, it would defintely have the potential to compete >head-to-head with the NSX. > >Steve B. > >Tre Ridings wrote: >> >> Geeez...imagine the smooth rumble of a V-6 with Borla exhaust >sitting >> behind your head....nice. >> But I *would* miss the turbocharger...the sound of the >> turbo...especially with the K&N FIPK and Blitz BOV sounds >great...like a >> jet.....and as fast too!....well...was that is... >> Tre' Ridings ('91 Turbo~Yearning to be faster than before) >> P.S. This rumor sounds like it has real potential...with the >increasing >> price of the MKII, it would be an ideal Lexus model... > _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 17:58:50 -0400 From: nu3y@CritPath.Org Subject: re: MR2 idle speeds >Mine is set at about 1000 or 950 rpms with the brake engaged... it drops to >about 800 when I let off the brake, but when idling I usually have my foot on >the brake anyway... .speaking of idle points... > Hey, are we talking about an AUTOMATIC tranny here? - ----- Joe Pearlstein '91 Crimson Red MKII, Past owner of '86 Super Red MKI IMOC # 2NA000004 Philadelphia, PA mailto:nu3y@critpath.org ICQ# 3480202 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 18:11:48 -0400 From: nu3y@CritPath.Org Subject: re: MR2 shifting @ low RPM's George asks: >i was wondering if i shift at a low rpm, does it damage the engine or >other components? because i was talking to a friend of my and he said >that shifting to low might cost some damage. Shifting at a low RPM alone doesn't damage anything, but lugging the engine at too low an RPM can do some damage, I guess. I typically shift my 91 NA on sparsely populated city streets between 2200 and 2600, but accelerate VERY slowly. If I plan on any more than say, an 1/8" in throttle movement, I will shift at a higher rev point. I would imagine the Turbo would be more prone to lugging at low RPM's (say 1500 - 2000) than the NA would. - ----- Joe Pearlstein '91 Crimson Red MKII, Past owner of '86 Super Red MKI IMOC # 2NA000004 Philadelphia, PA mailto:nu3y@critpath.org ICQ# 3480202 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 17:31:23 -0500 From: dkchal@datasync.com (Donald K. Chalfant) Subject: MR2 MK1 NA 1985 - Toyota Manuals in the UK >Does anyone in the UK have a Toyota Manual for a MK1 NA 1985 ? If so where >did you get it and how much was it ? > >>From various e-mails would I be right in assuming > >Is BGB short for Big Green Book and that this is the manual for the MK11 > >and BOB short for Big O Book and is manual for >the MK1 Big 'Ol Book is what I call my 89 Manual (na and SC in one 5 pound 5 ounce manual with mostly grey cover, a horizontal strip of green highlighting the "MR2" and a white strip across the top to make the Toyota Red look snazzier). The Strawberry Kid 8-} May the Seeds be with you. 6na9sc ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 19:05:45 EDT From: FZZR@aol.com Subject: Re: MR2 MKI and 88 FX In a message dated 6/18/98 1:34:13 PM Central Daylight Time, bagdon@rust.net writes: > No. The FX-16 is the 4A-GE. There's a definte difference, valuable to > know when surfing traderonline.com. What are you smoking. that is what he asked. > Steve B. > > Donald K. Chalfant wrote: > > > > Isn't the FX engine the 4A-GE? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 23:07:15 From: Alice Kim Subject: MR2 Classified Ad - Turbo for sale Hi all - Saw this in the local paper here... '93 MR2 Turbo - -Red - -Tan leather seats - -T-tops - -5 speed manual - -loaded Asking $12,500/bo Phone (219) 295-0048 Doesn't mention mileage Location is South Bend, Indiana. Alice '93 Super Red NA ____________________________________________________________________ Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 19:22:31 -0400 From: Ron Paukovits Subject: Re: MR2 Chevy Nova w/ a 4a-ge? Mark Mandrell wrote: > >I was looking through my grandfathers chiltons manual this weekend for > >american cars only during 1982-1989, and saw the chevy nova, the engine > >looked like a 4a-ge, so i turned the page back to engine specs,and sure > >enough it said 4a-ge made by toyota, was the nova similar to the corolla > >in the 80's?? They also had another toyota engine in the nova before efi > >which was also made by toyota it was a 4a-le or something like that it > >was a single cam, and was also carburated, does anyone have anyother > >information on these engines, or cars? Thanks > > Oh that is right, for a while Chevy Nova's were rebadged Corolla's. Then > they were rolled into the Geo line and became Prisms. Which, for most intents and purposes, are still Corollas. GM has had a stake in Toyota (as well as Izusu, Suzuki, Lotus, and others) for quite a while, which led to joint ventures like this. Makes me think of something I saw in a copy of (I think) Consumers Digest about 7 years ago. It showed a chart with the major auto makers as hubs, and lines going to all the other makes they were connected with. If you analyzed it long enough, you'd see that all (exept BMW at the time) the world's automakers were in one way or another connected...proof of a "world industry". However, I don't think it classified the original relationships as being actual working agreements or merely financial interest. Ron MKI x 3 GSX-R 1100 > > > Mark Mandrell > 86 MR2 > 87 MR2 ------------------------------ End of mr2-digest V2 #955