board ate my post last night. :\ sigh lol
neways. McE ran his turbo over a year before parking it at well over 400bhp no ems (i put him around 475 personally based on that turbo & what he was pushing) before that over 400bhp worth of the juice for two years, no ems.
there's a half dozen 3vz camry's on toyotanation that run the bottle no ems (anywhere between 75 and a 200 wet shots, one 125 dry shot no ems) three on there in the last year running 125 - ya about 350 at the end of the day, but close enough...
the obd-I of teh 3vz-fe would easily let someone get away with sub $300 worth of fuel mods to make 450bhp'ish. no aftermarket management required. it wouldn't run as well a car with another grand dropped into EMS solutions. the point is that it could be made to run perfectly acceptably & safely until around there.
HP fuel pump $100
12:1 fmu $100
fuel filter $15
new plugs $12
the differance is that the obd-II cars will run rich enough to foul the plugs & go lean under boost over time, where the older engine will simply run rich under boost until your fuel pump chokes. on a 12:1 FMU you won't see a wideband gauge do anything but bottom out at a 10:1 A/F ratio until around 350bhp even in the high par tof the middle rpm ranges.
we have yet to discuss starting off with a mild injector swap that the ECU will tune itself out during closed loop once warm yet!
tehehehehehe nor have we said you *probably* wouldn't need to touch the distributor for a measily old 350bhp since they're so retarded from the factory. we all just do it for peace of mind really...
or water/alcohol injection lol
nor have we discussed replacing the stock fpr completely with a $200 fmu that has adjustable base pressure, and adjustable rise VS manifold pressure. now you're opening the door to running relatively large injectors acceptably in closed loop without EMS.
<- still not discussed mild afm tuning to help those injectors life on the street either.
3vz-fe motto = get there cheaper, with more faster; if you're not opposed to applying FI.
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Originally Posted by Dance_Business
Who has 400 hp and no EMS?
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