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Originally Posted by da_force
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Don't the TRD's give a 1.5 inch drop?
While I was browsing forum randomly and came across a topic about springs, someone stated they drop 1.5 instead of 1.0 as everbody thinks  |
Well, here is a picture of a black MR2 with 93 Spring on it, and then again after the TRD Springs were put on.
As you can see, the TRD Springs are a decent bit lower than the 93 springs, which are a good bit lower than the 91-92 springs. In the end,it doesn't matter if you have a 91-92 or 93-95 MR2. Your drop will look the same as it does in the picture on TRD springs, regardless of if you started with 91-92 or 93-95
As Aaron said, if you really want to know the actual drop, measure from the center of the wheel to the bottom of the fender on the front and rear with the OEM springs, and again with the TRD springs.
Also, just look for pictures of MR2's dropped on the springs you want and don't worry about trying to figure the math and if the calculated drop is for a 91-92 or 93-95. The end result and look after putting a set of springs on will be the same, regardless of whether you started with 91-92, 93-95 springs, or some aftermarket springs. Just look for pictures of MR2's dropped on whatever springs you want if you want to get an idea of how it will look on a certain set of springs.
Tein S-Techs
Eibach Pro-Kit
Here is a picture of my car on when Sportlines where on it (I've since bought Coilovers)
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Originally Posted by charto911
teins are super stiff one of the stiffest you can get I think mine was so stiff it caused me to break an axle however the handling and performance is amazing, if the 93 height is said to be the same as the 91-92 than its probably an error just subtract one inch from a 91-92 height and thats what you get a nice stance on the car throw some wheels on it and you look good
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Tein S-Techs are not super stiff. They have progressive rates of 154 lbs/inch front and 275 lbs/inch rear for the max stiffest progressive rate. They don't list the full progressive range, but the initial rate is rather soft. That's not too stiff for a rate or a range. TRD, The Eibach pro-kit, and the Sportlines have a stiffer range. TRD springs are progressive (thought I've never seen a range listed) with rates of 168 lbs/inch front and 308 lbs/inch rear (probably the max progressive rate). The Pro Kit has a progressive range of 100-210 lbs/inch for the front and 140-303 lbs/inch for the rear. The Sportlines are 74-189 lsb/inch for the front and 120-348 lbs/inch for the rear.
If anything, the super softer initial progressive rates of the S-Tech and Sportlines leads to a greater "shock" when you hit the stiffer progressive layer, and I'm guessing many people mistake this for stiff springs. Stiff springs and a harsh ride do not have to go together. In fact, the harsher ride some complain about with these is due to the fact the initial rates are too soft. Almost all the the "more comfortable" springs (spring/shock combos) have stiffer initial rates and stiffer upper end rates as well. My wife, for example, finds my stiff coilovers much more comfortable than Sportlines. She felt the same on the other car I have too. Coilovers are liner rate, aftermarket springs/shocks are not. Liner rate won't have that "shock" of stiffer as they compress. They are consistent throughout. First thing she said when I put my first set of coilovers on a car years ago was the car was "more comfortable." Liner rate springs (like coilovers have) are more consistent throughout, as I said. It really does provide a different feel vs progressive. I hate progressive rate springs with a passion.
On the topic of progressive, all 3 have stiffer progressive rates that the Tein springs. Tein S-Techs are not known as stiff springs, it's the soft initial rate that screws it up and makes it harsh. A lot of people consider them on the soft side, like Sportlines, and more for looks than handling. They are pretty heavily progressive, like the Sportlines, with a softer starting range than TRD or the Pro-Kit. As I said, the softer intial rate causes them to compress more, which is probably why people mistake them for being too "stiff," when it's not stiffness. It's too harsh because it's too soft with too soft and initial progressive rate.
If you broken an axle on Teins, it's not because they are "super" stiff. There was another problem or something else going on that caused it, because Teins are not stiff springs. They are considered rather soft by a lot of people, especially the autocross guys. Those guys swear by the TRD springs.
Don't get me wrong, If you are talking about a spring/shock combo, I prefer the look of Tein S-Tech, Eibach Sportlines and H & R springs over the look of TRD and Pro-Kit. They provide a more aggressive looking drop. In the end though, I'm a coilover guy through and through. That's always what I run in the end.