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Originally Posted by kblake

I wouldn't be using what Toyota has done as an example. If you do that, we'll all be driving front wheel drive sedans and econoboxes. The cars you are referring to had to be based on a factory powerplant. They weren't doing the same kinds of mods that people are doing to the engines. If they were after the kind of power some people are looking for these days, they simply broke out the 503e.

You honestly think that the racing division had no say in the revisions of the engine? By making the production engines better, they're only saving themselves work in changing it to a race engine.

I'm aware of that. Velocity is important as well, and is one of the things Chris designs for when porting. You ARE aware that he builds race motors for a team down in Australia/NZ?

Nope, wasn't aware.

You're right, unless you want to have a competition for who can transport the most groceries, honDUHS DON'T matter, for the purpose of this discussion.

Yes, Honda as a whole is totally unsuccessful at racing, as well as engine designing. How'd Toyota fare in F1 last year again?

I'm well aware of that. Shim under bucket was what people USED to do to their gen 2 heads, before the shimless bucket conversion was available. You would know this, but you either didn't have your driver's license yet back then, or you were still playing around with honDUHS. Do you have an MR2 YET , or are you still posting based on other people's cars?

I've had an MR2 for over 2 years now, been racing Toyotas for 2 as well. I've been modding and racing Hondas for the 3 years previous to that. Does my broader knowledge base regarding cars than yours somehow detract from my credibility?

And may I ask, how much time have you spent at actual race tracks? You know, ones that don't go straight. Since you seem to have this massive bias against Hondas and feel they're inferior, I wonder if you know about the wealth of real-world, race tested knoweldge their community has aquired over the years. I welcome you to check out the road race/autoX section of Honda Tech some time.

Anybody can make big power once or twice. It doesn't prove a thing. Making it reliably, day in and day out is another thing entirely. One advantage of the AFM is that it adjusts automatically for changes in Ve, as long as you stay within it's range of measurement. Speed/Density is much more sensitive to changes in Ve, and should be retuned with any major changes. Oh wait, there's no way to retune the stock Gen 3 ecu... never mind.

The problem with AFMs is that with big power, they tend to max out early in the game. And once they hit 100% deflection, they're useless. MAPs are a much more versatile system, as well as being less restrictive.

And my point about the stock gen 3 ECU making 312 vs the Blitz tuned ECU making 316 is that the stock gen 3 ECU is quite capable in it's own right.

As for ECU reflash's, off the shelf reflashes I'm not a fan of because they're not configured for a specific set of car/mods/elevaiton/etc. and custom reflashes are getting to the point where a programmable ECU is becoming a more and more attractive option.

The gen 3 tranny is no different than a 93+ gen 2 transmission with LSD. The tranny my car CAME with.

My RPMs are awful high on the highway at normal crusing speed. Higher than my co-driver remembers them being when he had the car (it was originally a 93T w/ the LSD transmission). I know they're higher than my 91 was.