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Making more power isn't for racing?
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Not always. Some people want more power for bragging rights, some for spirited driving on a windy canyon road, some for the occasional stoplight drag...there are a myriad of reasons people want more power. My friend chipped his Powerstroke Diesel to get more power. Think he did it for racing?
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Originally Posted by Nacho
All the DOHC VTEC motors come with girdles stock. No need to add one.
And there's a difference between the structural rigidity of one engine and what you can do to make that specific engine stronger and the way air moves in and out of a head. Again, pystics are physics. Air doesn't care who manufactures the engine.
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That's nice. Heads from different manufacturers behave different, as do the rest of the engine. Why do 4G63's make more power on pump gas on the same turbos as us, when they are also DOHC, 16V 2.0L inline 4 cylinders? Why don't MR2's have problems with crankwalk. I've been around this community for 7 years now, and I've seen Honda and DSM guys come and go. They always think they're going to come in here, apply all of the same tricks that got them power on their previous car, and rewrite the power primer. Sometimes we manage to make them see reason, sometimes they have to blow up an engine or two before they see reason.
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Originally Posted by Nacho
If the gains of the stock ECU vs a tuned ECU are 4 HP at the 300 WHP level, what makes you think they'll just significantly at higher levels? No one's really tested the limits of the stock gen 3 ecu that i know of.
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The 316RWHP power level you are quoting is beyond the safe limits of the stock fuel pump, and close to the safe limits of the 540cc/min injectors. That means you won't be making any more power on that ECU, since there is no way to make it run larger injectors. For all intents and purposes, that IS the limits of the stock Gen 3 ECU, and that's only with an upgraded fuel pump.
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Originally Posted by Nacho
And you can swap out fuel pumps for alot less than you can swap ecus. I don't see what the fuel pump limitations have to do with the ECU's allegeded inferiority.
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I never said the Gen 3 ecu is inferior to the Gen 2. I was simply pointing out some facts that you are apparently not aware of, since your area of expertise lies with Hondas and not MR2's.
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IIRC, RiddleMR2 ran on his for over a year. But I'm sure it was JUST about to blow up.
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That's not antedocal evidence, that's facts. gen 3. Stock ECU. 8+ months.
It made over 300 WHP. It made it for quite a while. At least 8 months. I don't feel like calling him solely to ask exactly how long his stock ECU was on the car before he got the Blitz. If i call him or talk to him online soon, i'll try to remember to ask if he remembers exactly how long.
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"If you recall correctly"??? First off, that's hearsay, not anecdotal evidence.
Anecdotal evidence is where a trend is demonstrated, say, that 275RWHP is the safe limit of the stock fuel system and ONE GUY says: "Well I've made 320RWHP on the stock fuel system without blowing up" He is a statistical anomaly, trying to deny the statistic's validity by offering his one example that defies the statistic. Just because there is an exception to a rule, doesn't invalidate the rule.
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You're using the products that you sell as a reason that the gen II ECU is better (even claiming that the AFM is better, which is a joke), just like you used to claim that a 2.5" DP was better than a 3' DP when you sold them for KO. Your 'tech' seems to mirror whoever you work for at the time's products.
I'll take a stock gen 3 ECU and it's MAP over a reflashed gen 2 ECU w/ AFM any day.
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No. I NEVER said the Gen 2 ECU is better, you're putting words in my mouth. I pointed out that it could be modified, which is a service that is not availalable for the Gen 3. ATS Racing is not the only company selling Techtom ROM tunes, there are several companies out there that offer this service. ATS is the only one doing individual dyno tuning on cars using the ROM that I'm aware of, other than Yoshio, up in Canada. I'm also more familiar with ATS's products and services, so naturally I'd use them as an example.
I also never said that a 2.5" down pipe was better than a 3". Again, you are putting words in my mouth. What I said, was that the 2.5" is easier to install, fits better, and that 3 inches is not necessary until somewhere around the 300RWHP mark. News flash: The difference isn't all that great on a stock turbo, and KO still can't keep the 2.5" down pipes in stock.
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Originally Posted by Nacho
In that case, i can find any gen II owner and compare them. I'll make sure to use the 15" rears and 225/50/15 tires as well so as to eliminate the gearing differences from different sized wheels.
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Or you could do a little research, learn a little bit more about the car you own, and find out what the gear ratios are. I think you'll be surprised.
Let's have some Gen 2 vs. Gen 3 drags at NA2005 and see which is better.
Ken