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Originally Posted by kblake

Not always. Some people want more power for bragging rights, some for spirited driving on a windy canyon road, some for the occasional stoplight drag...there are a myriad of reasons people want more power. My friend chipped his Powerstroke Diesel to get more power. Think he did it for racing?

Given that you tout these as the pinnicle of sports cars all day, i thought you'd actually be racing them. Sorry.

BTW, stoplight drags are a form of racing. "Spirited driving' is still similar, but most people who do that don't want raw power numbers, and an overpowered car.

That's nice. Heads from different manufacturers behave different, as do the rest of the engine. Why do 4G63's make more power on pump gas on the same turbos as us, when they are also DOHC, 16V 2.0L inline 4 cylinders? Why don't MR2's have problems with crankwalk. I've been around this community for 7 years now, and I've seen Honda and DSM guys come and go. They always think they're going to come in here, apply all of the same tricks that got them power on their previous car, and rewrite the power primer. Sometimes we manage to make them see reason, sometimes they have to blow up an engine or two before they see reason.

Yes heads behave differently. But it's due to which has better head designed for airflow.

Oh, and MR2s and Supras have experienced crankwalk before. Not enough to get the reputation for it, but it's happened

The 316RWHP power level you are quoting is beyond the safe limits of the stock fuel pump, and close to the safe limits of the 540cc/min injectors. That means you won't be making any more power on that ECU, since there is no way to make it run larger injectors. For all intents and purposes, that IS the limits of the stock Gen 3 ECU, and that's only with an upgraded fuel pump.

What's his stock ECU have to do with a stock fuel system again?

I never said the Gen 3 ecu is inferior to the Gen 2. I was simply pointing out some facts that you are apparently not aware of, since your area of expertise lies with Hondas and not MR2's.

I still love that you think that having more experience than JUST MR2s is a bad thing. I really find it humerous.

"If you recall correctly"??? First off, that's hearsay, not anecdotal evidence.

The IIRC was directed at the exact length of time which he made the power, not the fact it happened.

Anecdotal evidence is where a trend is demonstrated, say, that 275RWHP is the safe limit of the stock fuel system and ONE GUY says: "Well I've made 320RWHP on the stock fuel system without blowing up" He is a statistical anomaly, trying to deny the statistic's validity by offering his one example that defies the statistic. Just because there is an exception to a rule, doesn't invalidate the rule.

Lots of things are where something is stated as the limits, but then 'one guy' lies outside that rule. Then another one does. And another. And another. And finally, you're forced to reevaluate the old 'rule'

No. I NEVER said the Gen 2 ECU is better, you're putting words in my mouth. I pointed out that it could be modified, which is a service that is not availalable for the Gen 3. ATS Racing is not the only company selling Techtom ROM tunes, there are several companies out there that offer this service. ATS is the only one doing individual dyno tuning on cars using the ROM that I'm aware of, other than Yoshio, up in Canada. I'm also more familiar with ATS's products and services, so naturally I'd use them as an example.

Other companies offer the service, but you failed to mention them. You sure did make it sound like the gen II was superior simply because you can reflash it.

Sounds like a salesman to me.

I also never said that a 2.5" down pipe was better than a 3". Again, you are putting words in my mouth. What I said, was that the 2.5" is easier to install, fits better, and that 3 inches is not necessary until somewhere around the 300RWHP mark. News flash: The difference isn't all that great on a stock turbo, and KO still can't keep the 2.5" down pipes in stock.

Great. 3" is still better, even if 'not necessary'

Or you could do a little research, learn a little bit more about the car you own, and find out what the gear ratios are. I think you'll be surprised.

I'll get right on that. As soon as the community isn't filled with disinformation from salesmen pushing their products.

Let's have some Gen 2 vs. Gen 3 drags at NA2005 and see which is better.

Ken

If i attend. It all hinges on my friend with his Lotus showing up to the track day.

I assume you'll bring out all your built gen 2s (2.0-2.3L) to compete against the unopened gen 3s.