20g vs. CT27

SPOOL U · 10-26-2007, 12:35 PM

All:

Later on way down the road, I plan on running one of these turbos with water/meth injection. What I want is a clean stock appearance with great power and excellent spool up characteristics. I really don't want to modify the stock fuel system but I may be forced to seeing as though running meth will be like running race gas. I also want the twin-scroll characteristics of the stock turbo (exhaust housing being divided). Which one of these turbos could get me what I want without much hassle? I'm looking for ~325wrhp on meth.

Cheers,

-M

P.S. Which one of these turbos can take a ball-bearing center cartridge?

bugalu · 10-26-2007, 01:10 PM

well power may be hard to reach but every other thing you want is the ct27, it looks 100% stock, it's twin scroll, fast spool... has no problem with the stock fuel system... though i would get a rom tune with it.

3sgtepower · 10-26-2007, 01:13 PM

I like the 20g ok. Its not nearly as heavy as the cast iron ct27/ct20b's, so you might save 20-30lbs in weight reduction by picking that over a ct27. They max out around 400whp or so, correct me if I am wrong, provide decent spool for a daily driver as compared to my lags til 5k rpms 50trim, which is plenty for someone wanting to increase there power and come close to maxxing out there stock block.

They also have external wastegated kits for these to defend against boost creep. To me thats the only way to go. IMO, this is a perfect turbo upgrade choice for someone who wants to remain on a stock block, max out there 440cc injectors and run a high 12, and still have potential to make a lot more power when they upgrade to a standalone and 800cc injectors. The ct27 is not capable of making much more than 300whp, good for someone who wants to remain on a stock 2nd gen fuel system/ecu.

kblake · 10-26-2007, 01:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SPOOL U

All:

Later on way down the road, I plan on running one of these turbos with water/meth injection. What I want is a clean stock appearance with great power and excellent spool up characteristics. I really don't want to modify the stock fuel system but I may be forced to seeing as though running meth will be like running race gas. I also want the twin-scroll characteristics of the stock turbo (exhaust housing being divided). Which one of these turbos could get me what I want without much hassle? I'm looking for ~325wrhp on meth.

Cheers,

-M

P.S. Which one of these turbos can take a ball-bearing center cartridge?

Either turbo will require an upgraded fuel system, particularly the TD06. ATS has a ROM tune for the 550CC Supra injectors that will get you to your goal.

The CT27 won't quite make your peak power goal, but has the divided housing, unlike the 20G. It also is nearly impossible to tell from stock, once installed. Neither turbo is available with a ball bearing CHRA.

Ken

butter nuts · 10-26-2007, 04:48 PM

Get the TD06 if you want that power level. The CT27 barely makes 300whp with race gas and 20+ psi.

Not knocking the CT27, I love mine

but its not a powerhouse, spool is pretty good though.

Check out the Berk GT3071 kit also, its a pretty nice kit for the price $2200-$2500 cant remember.

kblake · 10-26-2007, 05:03 PM

The standing record for the CT27 is 320RWHP@22PSI on race gas. That's through a stock long block and intercooler, with an upgraded fuel pump, ATS Rail and FPR, and stock injectors.

butter nuts · 10-26-2007, 05:21 PM

To whoever; Don't edit my posts for recommending he look at another vendor. I wasn't knocking anything, and the **** kit IS a nice kit for the price.

kblake · 10-26-2007, 05:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by butter nuts

To whoever; Don't edit my posts for recommending he look at another vendor. I wasn't knocking anything, and the **** kit IS a nice kit for the price.

ATS pays for this forum. It's disrespectful to post about another vendor's kit in here, especially when the OP didn't ask about them. If you want to post about competing vendor's kits, do it in that vendor's forum, or in the general 3SGTE forum.

Ken

ats_scott · 10-26-2007, 05:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by butter nuts

Get the TD06 if you want that power level. The CT27 barely makes 300whp with race gas and 20+ psi.

Not knocking the CT27, I love mine

but its not a powerhouse, spool is pretty good though.

Check out the Berk GT3071 kit also, its a pretty nice kit for the price $2200-$2500 cant remember.

For the record ATS will build you any GT turbo kit you want. If it is not on the website feel free to call or e-mail for a quote.

SPOOL U · 10-26-2007, 07:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kblake

The standing record for the CT27 is 320RWHP@22PSI on race gas. That's through a stock long block and intercooler, with an upgraded fuel pump, ATS Rail and FPR, and stock injectors.

This sounds about where I want to be for now. I wonder how much MORE whp you can get with Meth. I got excellent results running 100% meth (on my EVO8) instead of race gas (100 octane) since it not only raises the octane level, but also cools the intake charge.

So it's looking like a CT27 max'd out on meth with a ROM tune is the path I'm going to try. I can always trade it in towards the 20g if the power isn't enough for me.

-M

SPOOL U · 10-26-2007, 08:06 PM

I still don't know... bah.. I'll wait till the time comes and see what I really want to do.

-M

Sang · 10-26-2007, 08:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SPOOL U

I still don't know... bah.. I'll wait till the time comes and see what I really want to do.

-M

Go to meets ask for ride alongs in other people's setups. See what you like. You may find that 270-280whp is plenty for you, or you may find 320-340whp is perfect for you, or maybe not

SPOOL U · 10-26-2007, 08:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sang

Go to meets ask for ride alongs in other people's setups. See what you like. You may find that 270-280whp is plenty for you, or you may find 320-340whp is perfect for you, or maybe not

+1.

First priority is to make sure the car is in tip top shape in stock form.

-M

sleepermr2 · 10-26-2007, 11:43 PM

i have a td06-20g on my mr2 right now. i really like it. its a good turbo. if you have done a plotted and compressor map or researched the turbo at all you will see its a pretty good turbo for the mr2. ive seen dyno graphs of guys hitting 200wtq at about 2500 rpms. so thats pretty good for getting around town. you should at least run 550's if you really want to use the turbo though. thats on my list of things to do down the road. and of course a fuel rail, pump, and tune.
when i save up the money to do a tranny swap or get built gears, ill probably end up running a td06 on my suby as well. its good enough for me.

ats_scott · 10-29-2007, 04:29 PM

A turbo is only as good as it's supporting mods. My car can hit 200ft/lb @ 2700 rpm, other MR2 with same turbo hit 200 ft/lb at 4300 or later depending on cams settings and VE mods.

Quote:

Originally Posted by sleepermr2

i have a td06-20g on my mr2 right now. i really like it. its a good turbo. if you have done a plotted and compressor map or researched the turbo at all you will see its a pretty good turbo for the mr2. ive seen dyno graphs of guys hitting 200wtq at about 2500 rpms. so thats pretty good for getting around town. you should at least run 550's if you really want to use the turbo though. thats on my list of things to do down the road. and of course a fuel rail, pump, and tune.
when i save up the money to do a tranny swap or get built gears, ill probably end up running a td06 on my suby as well. its good enough for me.

sleepermr2 · 10-29-2007, 06:03 PM

yes. obviously the tune and other mods are gonna affect how much or where your car makes power. i was just saying that the td06 is capable of making that tq at that rpm. as you have proven

10-26-2007, 12:35 PM	#1 (permalink)
SPOOL U Cage Fighter Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Plano, TX Posts: 356 Thanks: 3 Thanked 5 Times in 5 Posts iTrader Rating: (4/100% )	20g vs. CT27 All: Later on way down the road, I plan on running one of these turbos with water/meth injection. What I want is a clean stock appearance with great power and excellent spool up characteristics. I really don't want to modify the stock fuel system but I may be forced to seeing as though running meth will be like running race gas. I also want the twin-scroll characteristics of the stock turbo (exhaust housing being divided). Which one of these turbos could get me what I want without much hassle? I'm looking for ~325wrhp on meth. Cheers, -M P.S. Which one of these turbos can take a ball-bearing center cartridge?

10-26-2007, 01:13 PM	#3 (permalink)
3sgtepower Banned Seller Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 1,574 Thanks: 6 Thanked 38 Times in 34 Posts iTrader Rating: (2/75% )	I like the 20g ok. Its not nearly as heavy as the cast iron ct27/ct20b's, so you might save 20-30lbs in weight reduction by picking that over a ct27. They max out around 400whp or so, correct me if I am wrong, provide decent spool for a daily driver as compared to my lags til 5k rpms 50trim, which is plenty for someone wanting to increase there power and come close to maxxing out there stock block. They also have external wastegated kits for these to defend against boost creep. To me thats the only way to go. IMO, this is a perfect turbo upgrade choice for someone who wants to remain on a stock block, max out there 440cc injectors and run a high 12, and still have potential to make a lot more power when they upgrade to a standalone and 800cc injectors. The ct27 is not capable of making much more than 300whp, good for someone who wants to remain on a stock 2nd gen fuel system/ecu. Last edited by 3sgtepower; 10-26-2007 at 01:20 PM..

10-26-2007, 04:48 PM	#5 (permalink)
butter nuts The Dissident Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 460 Thanks: 10 Thanked 18 Times in 14 Posts iTrader Rating: (2/100% )	Get the TD06 if you want that power level. The CT27 barely makes 300whp with race gas and 20+ psi. Not knocking the CT27, I love mine but its not a powerhouse, spool is pretty good though. Check out the Berk GT3071 kit also, its a pretty nice kit for the price $2200-$2500 cant remember. Last edited by butter nuts; 10-26-2007 at 05:22 PM.. Reason: Plug for competing vendor

10-26-2007, 05:21 PM	#7 (permalink)
butter nuts The Dissident Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 460 Thanks: 10 Thanked 18 Times in 14 Posts iTrader Rating: (2/100% )	To whoever; Don't edit my posts for recommending he look at another vendor. I wasn't knocking anything, and the **** kit IS a nice kit for the price. Last edited by kblake; 10-26-2007 at 05:31 PM..

10-26-2007, 08:06 PM	#11 (permalink)
SPOOL U Cage Fighter Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Plano, TX Posts: 356 Thanks: 3 Thanked 5 Times in 5 Posts iTrader Rating: (4/100% )	Update. I still don't know... bah.. I'll wait till the time comes and see what I really want to do. -M

10-26-2007, 01:10 PM	#2 (permalink)
bugalu i gots great moobs! Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: SL, UT Posts: 132 Thanks: 2 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts My Google Map iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	well power may be hard to reach but every other thing you want is the ct27, it looks 100% stock, it's twin scroll, fast spool... has no problem with the stock fuel system... though i would get a rom tune with it.

10-26-2007, 05:03 PM	#6 (permalink)
kblake MR2 Parts Expert Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 812 Thanks: 14 Thanked 48 Times in 37 Posts iTrader Rating: (1/100% )	The standing record for the CT27 is 320RWHP@22PSI on race gas. That's through a stock long block and intercooler, with an upgraded fuel pump, ATS Rail and FPR, and stock injectors.

10-26-2007, 11:43 PM	#14 (permalink)
sleepermr2 Cage Fighter Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 468 Thanks: 6 Thanked 17 Times in 17 Posts iTrader Rating: (2/100% )	i have a td06-20g on my mr2 right now. i really like it. its a good turbo. if you have done a plotted and compressor map or researched the turbo at all you will see its a pretty good turbo for the mr2. ive seen dyno graphs of guys hitting 200wtq at about 2500 rpms. so thats pretty good for getting around town. you should at least run 550's if you really want to use the turbo though. thats on my list of things to do down the road. and of course a fuel rail, pump, and tune. when i save up the money to do a tranny swap or get built gears, ill probably end up running a td06 on my suby as well. its good enough for me.

10-29-2007, 06:03 PM	#16 (permalink)
sleepermr2 Cage Fighter Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 468 Thanks: 6 Thanked 17 Times in 17 Posts iTrader Rating: (2/100% )	yes. obviously the tune and other mods are gonna affect how much or where your car makes power. i was just saying that the td06 is capable of making that tq at that rpm. as you have proven

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