ATS Racing TD0 5/6 kit install tips

[deseroner]

I have the td05-20g kit with downpipe with the 02 sensor only, on my gen3
downpipe I have two wires,one o2 sensor and another one, will it matter. What is this sensor on the bottom of the gen 3 downpipe. here is a few pics of my stock gen3 downpipe and my td05-20g kit.

[ursoboostd]

Wow Ken. Great write up. -Wade-

[Sang]

Originally Posted by deseroner

I have the td05-20g kit with downpipe with the 02 sensor only, on my gen3
downpipe I have two wires,one o2 sensor and another one, will it matter. What is this sensor on the bottom of the gen 3 downpipe. here is a few pics of my stock gen3 downpipe and my td05-20g kit.

Supposedly a stock EGT sensor. Most that do a JDM turbo swap end up leaving it disconnected.

[deseroner]

thanks

[deseroner]

how much of difference in power. My stock ct20b on 91 pumpgas makes at 18psi 196rwhp on a mustang dyno, how much power can I expect from ats td05-20g.

[Sang]

Originally Posted by deseroner

how much of difference in power. My stock ct20b on 91 pumpgas makes at 18psi 196rwhp on a mustang dyno, how much power can I expect from ats td05-20g.

Typically, 300-320whp at 17-18psi of boost. 320-350whp at 19-21psi of boost. Again these are "typical" numbers and may not be indicative of your setup.

Also to note, these numbers are from a dynojet. Horsepower/torque reading from Mustang dynos (or any other dyno where certain parameters are user programmable) cannot be compared against anything. So you may get abnormally low numbers or abnormally high numbers.

My guess is the former if you go to the same dyno operator considering <200whp on a gen3 with 18psi seems awefully low compared to dynojet "norms" even if everything else was kept stock.

[deseroner]

How do I hook up my greddy profec b spec II to external wastegate with ats td05-20g. where to connect the lines to wastegate, need a writeup please.

[Sang]

The lower barb on the Tial connects to the COM side of the boost solenoid. A boost source (usually a barb on the compressor housing) connects to the NC port of the boost solenoid. Leave the top port of the Tial open to atmosphere.

[deseroner]

I hook it up with the greddy profec b spec II the way you told me com to the wastegate, and nc to the turbo, and getting a boost jumping all the way to 17 psi. here are my greddy profec b spec 2 settings
set gain 50% gain 5% set gain 100(10psi) warining at 130(13psi) level 0% this is for 13psi , but it jumps to 17psi, all my hoses are tight.

[Sang]

The warning on the profec is jacked, greddy didn't make the conversion correctly between pKa and PSI, so it starts going wild saying that you've overboosted at 10-11psi (I had mine set to 16psi and it starts to go off at 13psi unless I leave it in pKa). Have you tried lowering the Set gain to below 50%?

BTW an easy way to check to see if the EBC is hooked up right is to turn it off. Once you turn it off you'll be running off the wastegate spring which should be about 10.35psi (.7 bar). But the way I outlined how to install it is the same way it's on my car, and the same way GReddy says in their instruction manual.

[deseroner]

no, not yet. ill try it, maybe to 45%

[Sang]

I'd go even as low as 35% to make sure it has a significant effect on boost pressure. if you at 17psi at 50%, i'd imagine 35% would be around 13ish psi, but whatever it is, it should be a fair amount lower than 17psi, if it's still at 17psi, something is wrong.

[deseroner]

I got it dyno tune on a mustang dyno on saturday, my numbers I got are 219 rwhp and 215trqw at 19psi , my best I got was at 21 psi got 227rwhp, I have a gen 3 with bottom end built, emanage, I feel like these numbers are low, should I worry, or is it because its on a mustang dyno not a dynojet, car pulls nice to redline.

[kblake]

Mustang dynos are good for one thing: tuning. Those numbers are essentially meaningless. The dyno operator could easily change a couple of settings, and make them higher or lower.

If you want numbers you can compare to other people's numbers, you will have to put the car on a Dynojet.

[Ultra Optimus]

What about the Greddy version of the kit? Its somewhat different from the ATS kit right? For instance, I know that the Greddy version isn't water cooled, so the coolant lines have to be routed back into the block... How do I do that?

[Sang]

Originally Posted by Ultra Optimus

What about the Greddy version of the kit? Its somewhat different from the ATS kit right? For instance, I know that the Greddy version isn't water cooled, so the coolant lines have to be routed back into the block... How do I do that?

The only difference between the two is what you stated, the coolant lines. Go to an autoparts store, ask to see their coolant hoses and find a 90* angled (or one that has a slightly acute angle) and just loop it.

The rest of the install is identical.

[kblake]

Originally Posted by Ultra Optimus

What about the Greddy version of the kit? Its somewhat different from the ATS kit right? For instance, I know that the Greddy version isn't water cooled, so the coolant lines have to be routed back into the block... How do I do that?

Ask Greddy.

There are quite a few differences between the kits, other than the obvious one, that Greddy doesn't pay to have someone on this board, answering customer questions.

The Greddy kit has a small, internal wastegate, and suffers from boost creep. The adapter is cast, and doesn't match the shape and size of the ports on the exhaust manifold or turbo. The down pipe is MIG welded mild steel, and is very prone to cracking. The oil lines are improperly sized, which can cause the turbo to leak oil past it's seals, into the exhaust. The oil lines are made from rubber, and prone to leaking, which has caused a couple of engine bay fires over the years.

When ATS designed their TD06 kit, they took the turbo, which is excellent, and threw out the rest of the Greddy kit, then designed theirs from scratch. Considering that the ATS kit only costs about $400 more than the Greddy kit, yet suffers none of it's flaws, I'd say it's a real bang for the buck bargain.


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Ken

[Sang]

Originally Posted by kblake

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The above poster, Ultra Optimus, is using an ATS EWG kit.