Beams 3SGE Swap

wirecruise · 05-18-2007, 08:18 PM

I'm hoping I can get a few questions answered by the board. After some exhaustive research on this board comparing the 3stge, V6, and BEAMs swaps for my 93 NA (5sfe), I have decided that the Red Top Beams is for me.

I have found an engine and have some questions about the swap.

The Swap is out of a 97 Celica and has a 5spd transmission. They state approximately 45K miles.

Includes the ECU, Accessories (AC, ALT, PS), Uncut Engine Harness, and Body Harness (wires that go to the dash) that may or my not be cut. No dash cluster is included.

1. How much of a PITA if the ends are cut on the wires going to the dash?

2. Trans is a 5spd...should I use my current transmission which shifts great with no issues or use the Celica trans (maybe they are the same except linkage)? Gear ratios different?

3. Structural changes need... i.e engine mounts, exhaust?

4. Can I mate my factory exhaust to the 3SGE headers?

5. RPM and Speedo issues?

6. Any questions that I didn't ask but should have?

Although I have a great job and can afford this swap, I don't won't to get crazy with unforeseen issues (and costs) during the swap. This will be a big project for me, the mechanical should be no sweat, but the harness conversion worries me.

Your input and guidance would be great.

MANDALAY · 05-19-2007, 05:26 AM

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Originally Posted by wirecruise

I'm hoping I can get a few questions answered by the board. After some exhaustive research on this board comparing the 3stge, V6, and BEAMs swaps for my 93 NA (5sfe), I have decided that the Red Top Beams is for me.

I have found an engine and have some questions about the swap.

The Swap is out of a 97 Celica and has a 5spd transmission. They state approximately 45K miles.

Includes the ECU, Accessories (AC, ALT, PS), Uncut Engine Harness, and Body Harness (wires that go to the dash) that may or my not be cut. No dash cluster is included.

1. How much of a PITA if the ends are cut on the wires going to the dash?

2. Trans is a 5spd...should I use my current transmission which shifts great with no issues or use the Celica trans (maybe they are the same except linkage)? Gear ratios different?

3. Structural changes need... i.e engine mounts, exhaust?

4. Can I mate my factory exhaust to the 3SGE headers?

5. RPM and Speedo issues?

6. Any questions that I didn't ask but should have?

Although I have a great job and can afford this swap, I don't won't to get crazy with unforeseen issues (and costs) during the swap. This will be a big project for me, the mechanical should be no sweat, but the harness conversion worries me.

Your input and guidance would be great.

My input will be DO YOU BELIEVE it has 45k's.
Don't be suprised. Your call but l for one would check it out properly

Lion_HUN · 07-04-2007, 07:02 AM

Hi!
My beams came from an MR and I needed to change many things.
1. The alternator is down on the intake side in the MR, but it's top on the exhaust side in the celica.
2. You will work a lot on the wiring, because it's way different.
3. The gear-changing mechanism on the transmission points directly the opposite site on the celica and MR, you will need to rotate it 180 degrees.
4. Some other smaller problems.

It can be done, we managed it too, but it will cost you many work and time.

WFX · 07-04-2007, 09:35 AM

Yeah if you can find yourself a MR2 rear cut youd save yourself ALOT of hassles both placement and wiring mate!

But if you need anything to work out on the Celica BEAMS side Ill do my best!

Roman · 07-05-2007, 09:40 PM

I've got a thread here somewhere, outlining the differences between celica and MR2 beams engines....

Realistically there's not a lot you *need* to change. Depends on how fussy you are. The badges on the rocker cover and intake manifold are the wrong way up for example, hahah.
The celice dipstick can be awkward to get in and out, and you dont necessarily need the alternator to be on the low side. Although you could probably use your existing alternator bracket to swap it over anyway.

Lion_HUN · 07-07-2007, 03:59 AM

Okay, it's possible that you don't have to change so many things on an engine from a Celica when you are putting it into an MR2, I just wrote down what I needed to change on the MR2 engine that came to my Celica. So if there a bigger room for the engine in the MR, you don't have to change all this

05-18-2007, 08:18 PM	#1 (permalink)
wirecruise A Few Skills Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Cincinnati Posts: 14 Thanks: 8 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	Beams 3SGE Swap I'm hoping I can get a few questions answered by the board. After some exhaustive research on this board comparing the 3stge, V6, and BEAMs swaps for my 93 NA (5sfe), I have decided that the Red Top Beams is for me. I have found an engine and have some questions about the swap. The Swap is out of a 97 Celica and has a 5spd transmission. They state approximately 45K miles. Includes the ECU, Accessories (AC, ALT, PS), Uncut Engine Harness, and Body Harness (wires that go to the dash) that may or my not be cut. No dash cluster is included. 1. How much of a PITA if the ends are cut on the wires going to the dash? 2. Trans is a 5spd...should I use my current transmission which shifts great with no issues or use the Celica trans (maybe they are the same except linkage)? Gear ratios different? 3. Structural changes need... i.e engine mounts, exhaust? 4. Can I mate my factory exhaust to the 3SGE headers? 5. RPM and Speedo issues? 6. Any questions that I didn't ask but should have? Although I have a great job and can afford this swap, I don't won't to get crazy with unforeseen issues (and costs) during the swap. This will be a big project for me, the mechanical should be no sweat, but the harness conversion worries me. Your input and guidance would be great. Last edited by wirecruise; 05-18-2007 at 11:01 PM..

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07-04-2007, 07:02 AM	#3 (permalink)
Lion_HUN Beams Owners Group Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Hungary Posts: 385 Thanks: 11 Thanked 13 Times in 12 Posts My Google Map iTrader Rating: (3/100% )	Hi! My beams came from an MR and I needed to change many things. 1. The alternator is down on the intake side in the MR, but it's top on the exhaust side in the celica. 2. You will work a lot on the wiring, because it's way different. 3. The gear-changing mechanism on the transmission points directly the opposite site on the celica and MR, you will need to rotate it 180 degrees. 4. Some other smaller problems. It can be done, we managed it too, but it will cost you many work and time.

07-04-2007, 09:35 AM	#4 (permalink)
WFX Beams Owners Group Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Perth, Western Australia Posts: 352 Thanks: 9 Thanked 13 Times in 10 Posts My Google Map iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	Yeah if you can find yourself a MR2 rear cut youd save yourself ALOT of hassles both placement and wiring mate! But if you need anything to work out on the Celica BEAMS side Ill do my best!

07-05-2007, 09:40 PM	#5 (permalink)
Roman Beams OCD Support Group Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Auckland, NZ Posts: 946 Thanks: 23 Thanked 56 Times in 36 Posts My Google Map iTrader Rating: (2/100% )	I've got a thread here somewhere, outlining the differences between celica and MR2 beams engines.... Realistically there's not a lot you need to change. Depends on how fussy you are. The badges on the rocker cover and intake manifold are the wrong way up for example, hahah. The celice dipstick can be awkward to get in and out, and you dont necessarily need the alternator to be on the low side. Although you could probably use your existing alternator bracket to swap it over anyway.

07-07-2007, 03:59 AM	#6 (permalink)
Lion_HUN Beams Owners Group Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Hungary Posts: 385 Thanks: 11 Thanked 13 Times in 12 Posts My Google Map iTrader Rating: (3/100% )	Okay, it's possible that you don't have to change so many things on an engine from a Celica when you are putting it into an MR2, I just wrote down what I needed to change on the MR2 engine that came to my Celica. So if there a bigger room for the engine in the MR, you don't have to change all this