BEAMS Transmission?

[cps_goodbuy]

FYI I wasn't actually complaining lads, Just thought to make a joke with smilies

Anyhow, If I was interested I would run the convo through a translator.

But yeah, it's actually cool that lots of europeans know several languages pretty well in general... unlike the UK/Irish crowd (in gerneral mind you!)

[oldsoul45]

Originally Posted by puretone

and we are

isn't it bullocks?

no bollocks as in balls...testicles or even testikels
no wish to cause offence...but if I wanted to stare at incomprehensible posts I could head over to one of the Russian car sites
if the guy needs help just PM him or just type a quick translation so we can understand the gist of what's being said...I speak English
and a few other languages but no Dutch..I wouldn't dream of going to a Dutch speaking site and posting in English...I would be flamed right away as an ignorant English ........anyway just my two pence worth

back on topic

[cps_goodbuy]

Maybe a...

Back to Topic!

...is in order.

[puretone]

ROFL you guys take it too seriously!! hahaha!
The way these dudes translate their dutch to eng is kinda funny to me, loses alot in translation.
I grew up having to be fluent in 4 languages at least because of all the different folks coming to our shores. It's such an alien notion to me not being able to do more than one language....completely irrational I realize now of course.

[cps_goodbuy]

Originally Posted by puretone

ROFL you guys take it too seriously!! hahaha!
The way these dudes translate their dutch to eng is kinda funny to me, loses alot in translation.
I grew up having to be fluent in 4 languages at least because of all the different folks coming to our shores. It's such an alien notion to me not being able to do more than one language....completely irrational I realize now of course.

But yeah, it's actually cool that lots of europeans know several languages pretty well in general... unlike the UK/Irish crowd (in general mind you!)

[Ashmen]

Bringing this thread back from the dead since I don't wish to start a new one and this one has gone off on another tangent.

I have been thinking about how to smooth over the swap I plan on doing soon regarding the transmission. Is the LSD differential in the FWD Celica beams tranny able to be transplanted into the S54 of my 91 5SFE and can the old tranny be bolted up to the beams. Shouldn't this allow me to keep my axles and eliminate the transmission case drilling needed to be done which is an extra cost I don't need?

Seconded question. It was mentioned that the gear ratios where easily changed in the beams transmission earlier in this thread. Can the same be done to my old S54? It's not good on the engine or my MPG to be cruising 80 MPH down the freeway at 4000 rpm for an extended length of time.

[puretone]

Originally Posted by Ashmen

Bringing this thread back from the dead since I don't wish to start a new one and this one has gone off on another tangent.

I have been thinking about how to smooth over the swap I plan on doing soon regarding the transmission. Is the LSD differential in the FWD Celica beams tranny able to be transplanted into the S54 of my 91 5SFE and can the old tranny be bolted up to the beams. Shouldn't this allow me to keep my axles and eliminate the transmission case drilling needed to be done which is an extra cost I don't need?

Seconded question. It was mentioned that the gear ratios where easily changed in the beams transmission earlier in this thread. Can the same be done to my old S54? It's not good on the engine or my MPG to be cruising 80 MPH down the freeway at 4000 rpm for an extended length of time.

1st Q:
I *think* all S54's were created equal (bolt patterns & mounts, speed sensor mounting mech-or-electro, shifter linkage location...), except for maybe the gear ratios between USDM, EUDM & JDM being slightly different (reference another Toyota-geek about this one, I'm no good for this, JDM one probably has shorter gear ratios than the USDM, not sure). From the outside I the S54 on the BEAMS looks newer/upgraded/strengthened/different than the 1992 S54 that my 5SFE came with. I went from ST184 5SFE to BEAMS engine from an ST202. I am assuming your comment about keeping your *old* S54 is because it is sitting in an MR2? What screwy hell on earth is this case drilling you are talking about?? Have I been deprived of some serious fitment headache??

2nd Q:
I am pretty sure you can stuff new gear ratios into the old S54, given they come from another S54. I have read this in passing about some dudes refreshing their old S54 because of busted synchro's and/or gears, by stuffing other S54 gears in there from a junkyard....in fact I think it was some dude with a turbo-Camry putting the gears from an oldish Celica S54 in there....I even think they were different ratios, I'm trying to remember....again Toyota-tranny-geek would be good here too

[Ashmen]

Originally Posted by puretone

What screwy hell on earth is this case drilling you are talking about?? Have I been deprived of some serious fitment headache??

Just what I have read in this forum about modifying the FWD tranny for the mid-engine placement if you plan on swapping a Celica Beams into an MR2. Was really the only post that actually went into detail about the modification. Everything else is kinda vague on what has to be done, ie. "the tranny will have to be modified for mid-engine placement...", and that's it.

[puretone]

Originally Posted by Ashmen

Just what I have read in this forum about modifying the FWD tranny for the mid-engine placement if you plan on swapping a Celica Beams into an MR2. Was really the only post that actually went into detail about the modification. Everything else is kinda vague on what has to be done, ie. "the tranny will have to be modified for mid-engine placement...", and that's it.

Doesn't the MR2 with the 5SFE engine come with the S54 transmission as well? I think the mod is for the linkage no?

In fact I just checked it and it does indeed come with the 5SFE/S54 engine/tranny.....I would assume it's not that complex....I am pretty sure it's just the linkage....


COME ON MR2 GUYS CHIME IN ALREADY!!

[puretone]

fine!


mr220v
Beams Owners Group



The celica (or Caldina) beams motor can most certainly be swapped into a mk2. How do I know? My Beams motor and transmission came from a Celica. I've put about 12k on it so far.

The thermostat housing for the celica is different, but useable in the mr2. The pipe is a few inches longer. The water outlet housing is about the only thing that needs to be special ordered. You could even find ways around this.


FROM:

http://www.mr2.com/forums/beams/Toyo...oable-yep.html

[puretone]

mr2mkii

Originally Posted by Lion_HUN View Post
You will have some problems but nothing serious.
- alternator need to be replaced
- A/C compressor also need to be replaced
- you couldn't use the celicas water outlet, but you can use the gen3 3SGE from an MR
- tranny mechanics need to be rotated 180 degrees
- plus wiring hell

(I have a Celica and my BEAMS came from an MR)

you don't need to change the ALT.... I'd do the opposite, I would change the Mr2 original mounting position to move it on the top... easier to work on

A/C compressor don't need to be replaced... they need to be removed.... get those crappy things out of the car... they have no use lol

you can use the celica water outlet, you will only need to modify your normal water lines and add a filler neck in the engine lid (that's what I did, works perfectly for the last 2 years)

tranny really need to be changed but you can use the normal s54 (5sfe tranny) and the normal e153 or e153 lsd both from the 3sgte engines and they work perfectly (I tried both ones)

[kermitpower]

Hello Everybody. The races have begon and the technical guys need more proof about the beams. We need to get a official paper that says the Beams engine is build in a sw 20.No copy's It may be a salesbrochure enything on a official paper. Mandalay jou said jou can get a sales brochure Please can jou look at it. Thanks for all

grt kermitpower

[MANDALAY]

No sales brochures around. I GAVE YOU THE PRINT OUT OF TOYOTA'S epc , WHICH clearly shows SW20 .
IF THEY WONT TAKE THAT TELL THEM to suck eggs. Are they a bunch of morons ?

[kermitpower]

Mandalay Tell me about it Its not funny anymore to race but the car is ready and i can't let it stand in the garage only to look at it. They wont take a copy from anything it has to be a official document

[Protok]

A quick question while the thread is still around.
Is it possible to take the LSD from the auto gearbox and stick it into the Manual Gearbox?

Kermitpower; can you not go to Toyota dealer and ask them to give you a quote for the LSD?
They can only give you a price for it on an invoice with its part number in an MR2. Surely that would shut them up especially with the Toyota letter head?

[MANDALAY]

Kermitpower; WELL Idont know buddy.
There was a brochure for sale about a year ago on MR2 TRADER. Was around $60 . You may want to post there and see if you can bribe the guy who bought it off him.
Get in touch with Japan. But you need some one who speaks fluent.
Have a hard copy of the manual, which so far im the only one that has it, but sorry not for sale at any price. Went through so much shiiit to get it. Anyway its an archieve so l doubt there are any other copies.
Lastely unfortunately dont race and enjoy her.

[kermitpower]

Hello a question does anybody know the parts numer of a speedsensor for the beams (the one in the transmission) and the parts number of a oxigensensor (the one in the exaust) ???

[MANDALAY]

Oxygen sensor 89465-19705
Speed sensor 83181-12030

[kermitpower]

Mandalay Thanks !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Roman]

I've got an electric speedo drive here for sale from a beams gbox if you want/need one.