6 speed gear box for Beams ?

2old2rusty · 06-17-2008, 08:12 PM

I don't know if this has crossed anyone's mind; using the internal parts from the 4A-GE Black top's 6 speed gear box in the 3S gear box housing ? I'm talking about FF configuration here.

It's kinda wild idea but has anyone thought or tried it out ? Will it work ?

Appreciate all the feedback from the experts on this crazy idea...

Servin · 06-17-2008, 08:55 PM

No it doesnt fit in there at all its been discussed cause many people complain about the S54 gearing to be to short. You might be better off looking at this thread about swapping in a lower ratio 5th if you want lower RPMS.

http://www.mr2.com/forums/na-5s-fe-3...-gear-set.html

Edophus · 06-18-2008, 09:01 AM

found this site usefull for working out ratio's, honda site but usefull tool.

MFactory Competition Products - THE Sport Compact Gearing Authority

jakedasnake · 07-16-2008, 11:42 PM

i dont mean to sound crazy either but what about the 2zzge 6sp tranny! and if it doesnt bolt up to a 3s block couldnt a plate be fabed up? wait before i get too far ahead of my self im not even sure if the tranny sits on the same side? oh well anyone with insight please be more than welcome!

2old2rusty · 07-17-2008, 03:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jakedasnake

i dont mean to sound crazy either but what about the 2zzge 6sp tranny! and if it doesnt bolt up to a 3s block couldnt a plate be fabed up? wait before i get too far ahead of my self im not even sure if the tranny sits on the same side? oh well anyone with insight please be more than welcome!

Good idea but haven't had much thought about it because the 2ZZ-GE is rare item in my place.

puretone · 07-19-2008, 08:32 PM

hmmm i wonder about this one....

pasqual · 07-20-2008, 01:32 AM

2zzge 6sp tranny will not fit .....

2ZZ-GE have C-series gearobox:

C60 ratio 4.529 used in celica T231 and ZZE123R (Sportivo)
C64 - Lotus Elise S2 LSD was option ... standard in late models ...

simply BEAMS will not fit C-series gear-box

....

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2old2rusty

I don't know if this has crossed anyone's mind; using the internal parts from the 4A-GE Black top's 6 speed gear box in the 3S gear box housing ? I'm talking about FF configuration here.

4A-GE Black Top have 6-gear with LSD .... C160

C160 (6 speed)
1st: 3.166
2nd: 2.050
3rd: 1.481
4th: 1.166
5th: .916
6th: 0.725
final drive: 4.529

Quote:

Originally Posted by Servin

many people complain about the S54 gearing to be to short. You might be better off looking at this thread about swapping in a lower ratio 5th if you want lower RPMS.

http://www.mr2.com/forums/na-5s-fe-3...-gear-set.html

About short gearing for S54 series .... my friend just bouhgt :
Yahoo!¥ª¡¼¥¯¥·¥ç¥ó - ST202¥»¥ê¥«S/S¼ÖÍÑ4.9¥·¥ç¡¼¥È¥Õ¥¡¥¤¥Ê¥ë¥®¥ä(¥¯¥í¥¹!?)

final ratio : ４．９３３

after some little modification should be on 7000RPM (tires:18/58r15 same size as 195/50R15)

1 gear -should be 47 -is 59 km/h
2-77 -98
3-115 -146
4-149 -187,5
5-186 -235,1

Edophus · 07-20-2008, 05:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pasqual

About short gearing for S54 series .... my friend just bouhgt :
Yahoo!¥ª¡¼¥¯¥·¥ç¥ó - ST202¥»¥ê¥«S/S¼ÖÍÑ4.9¥·¥ç¡¼¥È¥Õ¥¡¥¤¥Ê¥ë¥®¥ä(¥¯¥í¥¹!?)

final ratio : ４．９３３

after some little modification should be on 7000RPM (tires:18/58r15 same size as 195/50R15)

1 gear -should be 47 -is 59 km/h
2-77 -98
3-115 -146
4-149 -187,5
5-186 -235,1

I have one of those 4.933 final drives, i hope your freind has an E56 gearbox as thats what its meant for, not sure if it will fit an s54, fortunatly i have an e56 that i've just started stripping down to fit swap the final drive over but i dont know if i'm going to use it or not.

Servin · 07-20-2008, 06:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pasqual

About short gearing for S54 series .... my friend just bouhgt :
Yahoo!¥ª¡¼¥¯¥·¥ç¥ó - ST202¥»¥ê¥«S/S¼ÖÍÑ4.9¥·¥ç¡¼¥È¥Õ¥¡¥¤¥Ê¥ë¥®¥ä(¥¯¥í¥¹!?)

final ratio : ４．９３３

after some little modification should be on 7000RPM (tires:18/58r15 same size as 195/50R15)

1 gear -should be 47 -is 59 km/h
2-77 -98
3-115 -146
4-149 -187,5
5-186 -235,1

wow that says for ST202 Celica which never had a E153 so it would have to be for a S54 but i never new of aftermarket ratios for the S54. Im sure acceleration is hard but i would hate to drive that on the Highway!

Edophus · 07-20-2008, 06:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Servin

wow that says for ST202 Celica which never had a E153 so it would have to be for a S54 but i never new of aftermarket ratios for the S54. Im sure acceleration is hard but i would hate to drive that on the Highway!

no its not for an s54, note it says for the st202/st206 carina and note the "4.235" mentioned which is the stock E56 final drive not the "4.176" of an s54.

The E56 came in pre beams superstrut celica's, many st202 carinas etc between 95 and 97. The e56 also came with the 4a-gze in the ae101/aw11 but with a different bell housing to match the a series block.

Servin · 07-20-2008, 06:52 PM

Ah i didnt see the ST206 but then again i cant read kanji! I forgot all about the GT4/All trac Celicas those did come with e153's and i have seen plently of revised gear ratios for the gearbox. I was thinking only about NA's for some reason completely went blank on the turbos.

pasqual · 07-21-2008, 02:09 AM

those 4.933 final drives will be implemented in S54 .... in corolla

engine+s54 already swaped from celica st202 ....

Edophus · 07-21-2008, 04:24 AM

well if it works pasqual then please let me know, there are some differences between the output shafts, not to say it wont fit but they are different between E56 and S54.

06-17-2008, 08:12 PM	#1 (permalink)
2old2rusty Beams Owners Group Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 39 Thanks: 3 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	6 speed gear box for Beams ? I don't know if this has crossed anyone's mind; using the internal parts from the 4A-GE Black top's 6 speed gear box in the 3S gear box housing ? I'm talking about FF configuration here. It's kinda wild idea but has anyone thought or tried it out ? Will it work ? Appreciate all the feedback from the experts on this crazy idea...

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06-17-2008, 08:55 PM	#2 (permalink)
Servin Beams Owners Group Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: DFW, Texas Posts: 1,250 Thanks: 13 Thanked 54 Times in 42 Posts iTrader Rating: (2/100% )	No it doesnt fit in there at all its been discussed cause many people complain about the S54 gearing to be to short. You might be better off looking at this thread about swapping in a lower ratio 5th if you want lower RPMS. http://www.mr2.com/forums/na-5s-fe-3...-gear-set.html

06-18-2008, 09:01 AM	#3 (permalink)
Edophus Beams Owners Group Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 370 Thanks: 8 Thanked 17 Times in 15 Posts iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	found this site usefull for working out ratio's, honda site but usefull tool. MFactory Competition Products - THE Sport Compact Gearing Authority

07-16-2008, 11:42 PM	#4 (permalink)
jakedasnake Beams Owners Group Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Tampa Florida Posts: 78 Thanks: 0 Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts My Google Map iTrader Rating: (2/100% )	i dont mean to sound crazy either but what about the 2zzge 6sp tranny! and if it doesnt bolt up to a 3s block couldnt a plate be fabed up? wait before i get too far ahead of my self im not even sure if the tranny sits on the same side? oh well anyone with insight please be more than welcome!

07-19-2008, 08:32 PM	#6 (permalink)
puretone Beams Owners Group Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Aruba, #1 BEAMS Engine on the Island Posts: 2,339 Thanks: 28 Thanked 57 Times in 56 Posts My Google Map iTrader Rating: (1/100% )	hmmm i wonder about this one....

07-20-2008, 06:52 PM	#11 (permalink)
Servin Beams Owners Group Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: DFW, Texas Posts: 1,250 Thanks: 13 Thanked 54 Times in 42 Posts iTrader Rating: (2/100% )	Ah i didnt see the ST206 but then again i cant read kanji! I forgot all about the GT4/All trac Celicas those did come with e153's and i have seen plently of revised gear ratios for the gearbox. I was thinking only about NA's for some reason completely went blank on the turbos.

07-21-2008, 02:09 AM	#12 (permalink)
pasqual Beams Owners Group Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: BRNO/CZ Posts: 152 Thanks: 5 Thanked 10 Times in 9 Posts iTrader Rating: (2/100% )	those 4.933 final drives will be implemented in S54 .... in corolla engine+s54 already swaped from celica st202 ....

07-21-2008, 04:24 AM	#13 (permalink)
Edophus Beams Owners Group Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 370 Thanks: 8 Thanked 17 Times in 15 Posts iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	well if it works pasqual then please let me know, there are some differences between the output shafts, not to say it wont fit but they are different between E56 and S54.