Getting Prepared For BEAMS Swap

Servin · 07-09-2008, 11:12 AM

Ok so im about to pull the trigger and purchase my BEAMS!! Im getting a caldina Greytop and im think ill be the first to get a Greytop in a MR2. Im going to have a full wiring harness, ECU, AFM and airbox. So im starting this thread to go over the necessary items im going to need/request parts! Im know im going to need the water outlet housing and themrostat housing, 3S clutch & pressure plate, swap the alternator bracket, get a tach signal coverter and i think thats it. I wonder if i can use the water housing from my 5S?

So now for my parts request:

Does any one have a spare water and themro housing they would like to sell me? If not ill just order one from toyota.

Also does anyone have a spare manual BEAMS ECU? I dont mind running the Auto ECU but i do want to get the greytop to redtop specs eventually.

Any recommendations on a tach adapter? I heard MSD has a good one.

Servin · 07-09-2008, 11:39 AM

Pics:

Protok · 07-09-2008, 05:39 PM

Sorry cant help, too far across the pond.
But Do you mind telling me where you got the greytop, I have been looking for one to stick into my 2 but without much success and seeing as i already have an ECU the greytop will not make much difference power wise as soon as the headers are changed for the Pheonix Power one.

JDMsw20 · 07-09-2008, 08:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Servin

swap the alternator bracket, get a tach signal coverter and i think thats it. I wonder if i can use the water housing from my 5S?
Any recommendations on a tach adapter? I heard MSD has a good one.

First off welcome to the club.

1) You can keep the alternator where it is because it doesn't interefere with anything but the oil level dipstick.

2) The 5s main water outlet will not work. You'll need to source one from a Gen3 3sge or like me from a Gen3 3sgte

3) I got my MSD tach adaptor 8920 from ebay. I bought it now for $50 IIRC.

Servin · 07-09-2008, 09:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Protok

Sorry cant help, too far across the pond.
But Do you mind telling me where you got the greytop, I have been looking for one to stick into my 2 but without much success and seeing as i already have an ECU the greytop will not make much difference power wise as soon as the headers are changed for the Pheonix Power one.

I getting it from Chico Race Works in California. I assume when you say that you are too far across the pond you hail from Britain? Then if this correct then shipping is going to kill you. Also the Phoenix Power Header is no longer available from Taka Kaira so im not sure you will be able to track one anymore.

Also im willing to pay the postage on that ECU IF you decide to give up which you shouldnt but if you do...

Servin · 07-09-2008, 09:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JDMsw20

First off welcome to the club.

1) You can keep the alternator where it is because it doesn't interefere with anything but the oil level dipstick.

2) The 5s main water outlet will not work. You'll need to source one from a Gen3 3sge or like me from a Gen3 3sgte

3) I got my MSD tach adaptor 8920 from ebay. I bought it now for $50 IIRC.

1) Thanks im might do but first and i should asked this earlier but if i do run i can still run my A/C right? I know i know you said it doesnt interfere with anything but alot times when people do swaps they just remove the A/C. Which is NOT a option here in Texas!

2) Didnt think so ok. Ill see if i can track one down or maybe ill just order a new one.

3) Perfect thats what i thought.

puretone · 07-10-2008, 12:43 AM

From:
http://www.mr2.com/forums/beams/Toyo...ster-list.html

SW20 Specific Part Numbers

B-Pipe - 17410-7A730
Beams Emblem (red) - 11288-88570
Water Inlet - 16333-88460
Water Inlet Gasket - 90301-40005
*Water Inlet Main (where sensors go) - 16304-88561
*Water Inlet Main - 16341-88460
Wiring Harness (engine) - 82111-17195

puretone · 07-10-2008, 12:45 AM

& if you do go the route of the MSD Tach Adapter, may I suggest you place it somewhere far away from where you can hear it because it makes an aweful rattle.

This was the #1 reason I wired in the BEAMS gauges cluster....

MANDALAY · 07-10-2008, 03:21 AM

Congratulations !!

I have a few water outlets but would believe postage to be more than the part itself.
The other obvious differences are air box,exhaust manifold ,b-pipe and all brackets ,heat shields, most of the hoses and pipes for the fuel tank breathers.
U CAN STILL BUY THE beams TACHO APPROX $250 up to you.
I also have many other new parts like hose, water bypass pipes , engine mounts and some brackets.
Piping to charcoal canister and canister itsself is different also on the grey. ( dont know if that affects anything )
Also there are many people on here to help with wiring as the Beams engine harness and body harness is slightly different. Affects fuel pump, air conditioner, speedo and remember thethere might not be any oil float.
The long block is the same as the RED TOP But as you can see there are still quite a lot of other differences. If you cant purchase them second hand leave it as it is as transforming it to a regular RED TOP can cost you a couple thousand dollars.
Thats not including if you wish to change the flywheel,belts,water , oil pumps etc.

Servin · 07-10-2008, 03:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by puretone

& if you do go the route of the MSD Tach Adapter, may I suggest you place it somewhere far away from where you can hear it because it makes an aweful rattle.

This was the #1 reason I wired in the BEAMS gauges cluster....

Really? Ill be sure to do that. I wonder can i use a gen3 3SGE gauge cluster from the UK. i think ive seen a couple that were in MPH instead of the regular KPH.

Yeah mandalay shipping is expensive from your location. I looked just for fun cheapest i saw was 130 for shipping. Not cool, wish shipping was cheaper or else i would have Roman old motor from NZ. Ill pass on a $250 tach. Yea im seeing its going to take a lil bit of $ to get up to redtop specs. I can get a redtop from celics complete with tranny for not much more but ill have to wait 3 weeks. Hmm now im not sure if i should wait or not. I really want this running before school starts so i can enjoy the last bit of summer in my 2.

Falco · 07-10-2008, 03:37 PM

Yea im seeing its going to take a lil bit of $ to get up to redtop specs. I can get a redtop from celics complete with tranny for not much more but ill have to wait 3 weeks. Hmm now im not sure if i should wait or not. I really want this running before school starts so i can enjoy the last bit of summer in my 2.[/QUOTE]
AS a redtop owner i would say go the redtop!!
Why if it is very similar in cost not go for the most power?!
Time at the end is forgoten!!!!!!!!!!!!1

mr220v · 07-10-2008, 04:13 PM

If you want a beams cluster, then I found the deal of the century:

eBay Motors: JDM SW20 98 Spec MR2 Beams Red 260km Gauges Cluster (item 280240158915 end time Jul-25-08 22:11:50 PDT)

He's only asking $1400. It's an obo auction, so you should offer $5.

Servin · 07-10-2008, 06:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mr220v

If you want a beams cluster, then I found the deal of the century:

eBay Motors: JDM SW20 98 Spec MR2 Beams Red 260km Gauges Cluster (item 280240158915 end time Jul-25-08 22:11:50 PDT)

He's only asking $1400. It's an obo auction, so you should offer $5.

Damn! Thats almost as much as that Greytop! I should just to see what he'll say lol. I like how he says its brand new but then goes to say its used but that the speedometer is brand new. mandalay just stated i can still get the tach brand new for 250 so add another 200 for the rest of the cluster thats 450 so he is probably making a 1k profit on this item.

MANDALAY · 07-10-2008, 07:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mr220v

If you want a beams cluster, then I found the deal of the century:

eBay Motors: JDM SW20 98 Spec MR2 Beams Red 260km Gauges Cluster (item 280240158915 end time Jul-25-08 22:11:50 PDT)

He's only asking $1400. It's an obo auction, so you should offer $5.

That is a real joke. What he has done is buy a new speedo gauge for $200 and put it in the cluster and then put the removed gauge for sale at $200.
And the usual crap CANT FIND, RARE etc. Well hello just ring Toyota at those prices and buy a new one.
He is just an Opportunistic seller

MANDALAY · 07-10-2008, 08:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Servin

Really? Ill be sure to do that. I wonder can i use a gen3 3SGE gauge cluster from the UK. i think ive seen a couple that were in MPH instead of the regular KPH.

Yeah mandalay shipping is expensive from your location. I looked just for fun cheapest i saw was 130 for shipping. Not cool, wish shipping was cheaper or else i would have Roman old motor from NZ. Ill pass on a $250 tach. Yea im seeing its going to take a lil bit of $ to get up to redtop specs. I can get a redtop from celics complete with tranny for not much more but ill have to wait 3 weeks. Hmm now im not sure if i should wait or not. I really want this running before school starts so i can enjoy the last bit of summer in my 2.

Man another summer will come along. Go with the celica one, less headaches .But it should be pointed out that the Grey Top is auto so provided the engine was maintained properly it would have seen less of the Red Line.You need to keep all costs down or else it could end up costing you a preety dollar.

Servin · 07-11-2008, 10:12 AM

Oh my god. This is really killing me! I think i am going to wait because im going to spend more money to get it to spec. Meanwhile i wait im going to start getting the little tidbits needed for the swap so the second i get it i can just pop it in.

MANDALAY · 07-12-2008, 01:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mr220v

If you want a beams cluster, then I found the deal of the century:

eBay Motors: JDM SW20 98 Spec MR2 Beams Red 260km Gauges Cluster (item 280240158915 end time Jul-25-08 22:11:50 PDT)

He's only asking $1400. It's an obo auction, so you should offer $5.

BTW i have a beams cluster red letter BUT minus the beams tacho. In its place l have the on from my car 3SGE N/A 1999 and is also red lettering selling close to $250. So it bets RPM Garage by $1150.
BTW he has another one at $1680 USD mind you and why dearer b/c the glass is new . Hey NOT bad for the $280 EXTRA GIVEN THEY ARE NEW FROM TOYOTA at $13

mr2mkii · 07-21-2008, 07:31 PM

I have a redtop exhaust manifold for sale let me know if you need it (this is one of the part that makes the greytop lower in HP compare to the redtop

let me know how much you'd like to spend for it and I'll tell you if it's good for me

vvt162 · 07-22-2008, 08:51 PM

If you want a cheap tach adaptor w/o the rattle, you can build your own out of a 12V relay.

How to build your own tacho adaptor - Toymods Car Club

Lion_HUN · 07-23-2008, 12:33 PM

Yeah, tach "adaptor" issue was easily solved for me as well. A friend of mine (btw he is the president of the Toyota Sports Club in our country

) soldered (I hope this is the correct word) a simple LED (!!) into my stock tacho's electrics. That's all

It's working perfectly in my case, but I don't know how different the other toyota's stock tachos are.

07-09-2008, 11:12 AM	#1 (permalink)
Servin Beams Owners Group Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: DFW, Texas Posts: 1,250 Thanks: 13 Thanked 54 Times in 42 Posts iTrader Rating: (2/100% )	Getting Prepared For BEAMS Swap Ok so im about to pull the trigger and purchase my BEAMS!! Im getting a caldina Greytop and im think ill be the first to get a Greytop in a MR2. Im going to have a full wiring harness, ECU, AFM and airbox. So im starting this thread to go over the necessary items im going to need/request parts! Im know im going to need the water outlet housing and themrostat housing, 3S clutch & pressure plate, swap the alternator bracket, get a tach signal coverter and i think thats it. I wonder if i can use the water housing from my 5S? So now for my parts request: Does any one have a spare water and themro housing they would like to sell me? If not ill just order one from toyota. Also does anyone have a spare manual BEAMS ECU? I dont mind running the Auto ECU but i do want to get the greytop to redtop specs eventually. Any recommendations on a tach adapter? I heard MSD has a good one.

07-10-2008, 03:21 AM	#9 (permalink)
MANDALAY Beams Owners Group Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: victoria AUSTRALIA Posts: 4,210 Thanks: 136 Thanked 112 Times in 107 Posts My Google Map iTrader Rating: (6/100% )	Congratulations !! I have a few water outlets but would believe postage to be more than the part itself. The other obvious differences are air box,exhaust manifold ,b-pipe and all brackets ,heat shields, most of the hoses and pipes for the fuel tank breathers. U CAN STILL BUY THE beams TACHO APPROX $250 up to you. I also have many other new parts like hose, water bypass pipes , engine mounts and some brackets. Piping to charcoal canister and canister itsself is different also on the grey. ( dont know if that affects anything ) Also there are many people on here to help with wiring as the Beams engine harness and body harness is slightly different. Affects fuel pump, air conditioner, speedo and remember thethere might not be any oil float. The long block is the same as the RED TOP But as you can see there are still quite a lot of other differences. If you cant purchase them second hand leave it as it is as transforming it to a regular RED TOP can cost you a couple thousand dollars. Thats not including if you wish to change the flywheel,belts,water , oil pumps etc. Last edited by MANDALAY; 07-10-2008 at 03:31 AM..

07-22-2008, 08:51 PM	#19 (permalink)
vvt162 Beams Owners Group Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 43 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	If you want a cheap tach adaptor w/o the rattle, you can build your own out of a 12V relay. How to build your own tacho adaptor - Toymods Car Club Last edited by vvt162; 07-22-2008 at 09:14 PM..

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07-09-2008, 11:39 AM	#2 (permalink)
Servin Beams Owners Group Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: DFW, Texas Posts: 1,250 Thanks: 13 Thanked 54 Times in 42 Posts iTrader Rating: (2/100% )	Pics:

07-09-2008, 05:39 PM	#3 (permalink)
Protok Beams Owners Group Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: England, UK Posts: 457 Thanks: 15 Thanked 11 Times in 11 Posts My Google Map iTrader Rating: (1/100% )	Sorry cant help, too far across the pond. But Do you mind telling me where you got the greytop, I have been looking for one to stick into my 2 but without much success and seeing as i already have an ECU the greytop will not make much difference power wise as soon as the headers are changed for the Pheonix Power one.

07-10-2008, 12:43 AM	#7 (permalink)
puretone Beams Owners Group Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Aruba, #1 BEAMS Engine on the Island Posts: 2,339 Thanks: 28 Thanked 57 Times in 56 Posts My Google Map iTrader Rating: (1/100% )	From: http://www.mr2.com/forums/beams/Toyo...ster-list.html SW20 Specific Part Numbers B-Pipe - 17410-7A730 Beams Emblem (red) - 11288-88570 Water Inlet - 16333-88460 Water Inlet Gasket - 90301-40005 Water Inlet Main (where sensors go) - 16304-88561 Water Inlet Main - 16341-88460 Wiring Harness (engine) - 82111-17195

07-10-2008, 12:45 AM	#8 (permalink)
puretone Beams Owners Group Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Aruba, #1 BEAMS Engine on the Island Posts: 2,339 Thanks: 28 Thanked 57 Times in 56 Posts My Google Map iTrader Rating: (1/100% )	& if you do go the route of the MSD Tach Adapter, may I suggest you place it somewhere far away from where you can hear it because it makes an aweful rattle. This was the #1 reason I wired in the BEAMS gauges cluster....

07-10-2008, 03:37 PM	#11 (permalink)
Falco Beams Owners Group Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Perth, WA Posts: 73 Thanks: 5 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts iTrader Rating: (2/100% )	Yea im seeing its going to take a lil bit of $ to get up to redtop specs. I can get a redtop from celics complete with tranny for not much more but ill have to wait 3 weeks. Hmm now im not sure if i should wait or not. I really want this running before school starts so i can enjoy the last bit of summer in my 2.[/QUOTE] AS a redtop owner i would say go the redtop!! Why if it is very similar in cost not go for the most power?! Time at the end is forgoten!!!!!!!!!!!!1

07-10-2008, 04:13 PM	#12 (permalink)
mr220v Beams Owners Group Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 2,529 Thanks: 13 Thanked 176 Times in 147 Posts iTrader Rating: (11/100% )	If you want a beams cluster, then I found the deal of the century: eBay Motors: JDM SW20 98 Spec MR2 Beams Red 260km Gauges Cluster (item 280240158915 end time Jul-25-08 22:11:50 PDT) He's only asking $1400. It's an obo auction, so you should offer $5.

07-11-2008, 10:12 AM	#16 (permalink)
Servin Beams Owners Group Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: DFW, Texas Posts: 1,250 Thanks: 13 Thanked 54 Times in 42 Posts iTrader Rating: (2/100% )	Oh my god. This is really killing me! I think i am going to wait because im going to spend more money to get it to spec. Meanwhile i wait im going to start getting the little tidbits needed for the swap so the second i get it i can just pop it in.

07-21-2008, 07:31 PM	#18 (permalink)
mr2mkii Beams Owners Group Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Laval, Qc, Canada Posts: 516 Thanks: 9 Thanked 5 Times in 5 Posts My Google Map iTrader Rating: (3/100% )	I have a redtop exhaust manifold for sale let me know if you need it (this is one of the part that makes the greytop lower in HP compare to the redtop let me know how much you'd like to spend for it and I'll tell you if it's good for me

07-23-2008, 12:33 PM	#20 (permalink)
Lion_HUN Beams Owners Group Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Hungary Posts: 385 Thanks: 11 Thanked 13 Times in 12 Posts My Google Map iTrader Rating: (3/100% )	Yeah, tach "adaptor" issue was easily solved for me as well. A friend of mine (btw he is the president of the Toyota Sports Club in our country ) soldered (I hope this is the correct word) a simple LED (!!) into my stock tacho's electrics. That's all It's working perfectly in my case, but I don't know how different the other toyota's stock tachos are.