Turning the Greytop to RedTop spec - Page 2

Servin · 07-14-2008, 09:53 AM

Now see this is what is making me hesitant about getting a Greytop. I need to find out if the Caldina's are rated at 190hp or 180hp? Because the RAV4 Greytop is rated at 180hp.

Servin · 07-14-2008, 10:25 AM

Ok i have answered my own question. I thought that the caldina were sportier than the RAV4 so i figured why would they make them slower than red-tops? Well i still dont know the answer to that but i do know that they make 190hp or 140KW at 7k instead of the Rav4 which makes 180hp at 6.6K. So i have heard that some greytops have lower compression perhaps its the RAV4 Greytops beacuse of the lower power output? Looks like i might just go back to the greytop! im starting to think that the caldina ecu is the same as a redtop and the power loss is due to the Header only.

Links to Caldina GT specs (plently of info for the site aswell wink wink phoenix):
Toyota Caldina GT specifications
2000 Toyota Caldina, GT Modification - all pics, specs, parts and prices
1998 Toyota Caldina GT

Protok · 07-14-2008, 05:14 PM

So it is as simple as changing the exhaust manifold then
Thank you for clearing that.
Another question for you glenn
Would there be any advantages sticking any of the Blacktop Parts in the Greytop/Redtop?

Servin · 07-14-2008, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Protok

So it is as simple as changing the exhaust manifold then
Thank you for clearing that.
Another question for you glenn
Would there be any advantages sticking any of the Blacktop Parts in the Greytop/Redtop?

Hey no problem this makes life for me much more simpler aswell. I can live with buying headers but if i had to trace down a ECU that was going to kill me.

I can answer that aswell. There is no advantage of sticking blacktop parts in a stock redtop. Now for some reason you need to flow more fuel than blacktop injectors drop right in and are a good upgrade. Other than that there isnt much that is interchangeable that would net you performance.

MANDALAY · 07-14-2008, 06:21 PM

^ man forget the black top. The lomg block is the same grey or red period. Auto in the grey tuned differently, exhaust different has cats in there.
Your going around in circles. Celica first as it would be cheaper than the grey to get to red top specs. Thats the first thing you need to answer and what condition it is in. Forget about extra power above 206 horses for now start with the basics first

JDMsw20 · 07-14-2008, 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by MANDALAY

^ man forget the black top. The lomg block is the same grey or red period. Auto in the grey tuned differently, exhaust different has cats in there.
Your going around in circles. Celica first as it would be cheaper than the grey to get to red top specs. Thats the first thing you need to answer and what condition it is in. Forget about extra power above 206 horses for now start with the basics first

I second Angelo's opinion. There's plenty of Celica red-tops out there for a very reasonable price!

Protok · 07-15-2008, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by JDMsw20

I second Angelo's opinion. There's plenty of Celica red-tops out there for a very reasonable price!

Please point me in the right direction cause I personally cannot find any.....

JDMsw20 · 07-15-2008, 08:10 PM

this link is an ebay sponsered link has both a red top and grey top for sale. I don't have any experience buying through them so you'll buy at your own risk. Goodluck!

- Engine Land Inc

Servin · 07-16-2008, 10:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JDMsw20

this link is an ebay sponsered link has both a red top and grey top for sale. I don't have any experience buying through them so you'll buy at your own risk. Goodluck!

- Engine Land Inc

They are currently out of stock! They were the cheapest price online for a BEAMS swap but i couldnt find any reviews. I emailed them a week ago expecting nothing but i actually got a reply the next day so they might be legit. They said they might have one in about 3 weeks i told them to notify me when it came in.

psuPbikeRider88 · 05-30-2010, 11:48 AM

yeah, aside from the bolt on components, the greytop and redtop are the same motor.

TL Randz · 06-01-2010, 11:55 AM

Take off the CATs in the headers and you'll have a long and huge collector that gives you a long range torque. Not to mention the bends and elevation of the headers pipings gives you a kick when you reach high rpm bands... personally experienced it.

Protok · 06-01-2010, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by TL Randz

Take off the CATs in the headers and you'll have a long and huge collector that gives you a long range torque. Not to mention the bends and elevation of the headers pipings gives you a kick when you reach high rpm bands... personally experienced it.

Dyno'd it yet??

The size difference between the Tom's manifold and the stock greytop manifold is shocking, a good 30mm difference.

TL Randz · 06-01-2010, 12:59 PM

Not yet... don't have plenty of shops here to do that. Not even in my area. But I really wanted to see the results..

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07-14-2008, 09:53 AM	#21 (permalink)
Servin Beams Owners Group Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: DFW, Texas Posts: 1,250 Thanks: 13 Thanked 54 Times in 42 Posts iTrader Rating: (2/100% )	Now see this is what is making me hesitant about getting a Greytop. I need to find out if the Caldina's are rated at 190hp or 180hp? Because the RAV4 Greytop is rated at 180hp.

07-14-2008, 10:25 AM	#22 (permalink)
Servin Beams Owners Group Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: DFW, Texas Posts: 1,250 Thanks: 13 Thanked 54 Times in 42 Posts iTrader Rating: (2/100% )	Ok i have answered my own question. I thought that the caldina were sportier than the RAV4 so i figured why would they make them slower than red-tops? Well i still dont know the answer to that but i do know that they make 190hp or 140KW at 7k instead of the Rav4 which makes 180hp at 6.6K. So i have heard that some greytops have lower compression perhaps its the RAV4 Greytops beacuse of the lower power output? Looks like i might just go back to the greytop! im starting to think that the caldina ecu is the same as a redtop and the power loss is due to the Header only. Links to Caldina GT specs (plently of info for the site aswell wink wink phoenix): Toyota Caldina GT specifications 2000 Toyota Caldina, GT Modification - all pics, specs, parts and prices 1998 Toyota Caldina GT

07-14-2008, 05:14 PM	#23 (permalink)
Protok Beams Owners Group Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: England, UK Posts: 455 Thanks: 15 Thanked 11 Times in 11 Posts My Google Map iTrader Rating: (1/100% )	So it is as simple as changing the exhaust manifold then Thank you for clearing that. Another question for you glenn Would there be any advantages sticking any of the Blacktop Parts in the Greytop/Redtop?

07-14-2008, 06:21 PM	#25 (permalink)
MANDALAY Beams Owners Group Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: victoria AUSTRALIA Posts: 4,201 Thanks: 136 Thanked 112 Times in 107 Posts My Google Map iTrader Rating: (6/100% )	^ man forget the black top. The lomg block is the same grey or red period. Auto in the grey tuned differently, exhaust different has cats in there. Your going around in circles. Celica first as it would be cheaper than the grey to get to red top specs. Thats the first thing you need to answer and what condition it is in. Forget about extra power above 206 horses for now start with the basics first

07-15-2008, 08:10 PM	#28 (permalink)
JDMsw20 Beams Owners Group Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: G-LTDMR2, NY Posts: 151 Thanks: 8 Thanked 10 Times in 7 Posts iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	this link is an ebay sponsered link has both a red top and grey top for sale. I don't have any experience buying through them so you'll buy at your own risk. Goodluck! - Engine Land Inc

05-30-2010, 11:48 AM	#30 (permalink)
psuPbikeRider88 Beams Owners Group Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Northeast PA Posts: 172 Thanks: 3 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post iTrader Rating: (2/100% )	yeah, aside from the bolt on components, the greytop and redtop are the same motor.

06-01-2010, 11:55 AM	#31 (permalink)
TL Randz Beams Owners Group Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Manila, Philippines Posts: 79 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	Take off the CATs in the headers and you'll have a long and huge collector that gives you a long range torque. Not to mention the bends and elevation of the headers pipings gives you a kick when you reach high rpm bands... personally experienced it.

06-01-2010, 12:59 PM	#33 (permalink)
TL Randz Beams Owners Group Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Manila, Philippines Posts: 79 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	Not yet... don't have plenty of shops here to do that. Not even in my area. But I really wanted to see the results..