SHORT BLOCK

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Originally Posted by oldsoul45

Knifing makes no sense at all...waste of time and effort unless you have done every single upgrade possible and are stuck for something to do...just engine dressing..even then going on a diet would produce more gains

YEAH YEAH YEAH LOL LOLLLLLL

MANDALAY GO ON A DIET YOU FAT BASTARD!!11!

[MANDALAY]

Before i contact ARP direct with bolt , stud , nut dimensions ( which i have to buy one off from Toyota , as i have no spares ) does anyone have their catalogue numbers for all of them for the Beams ?

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Originally Posted by MANDALAY

Before i contact ARP direct with bolt , stud , nut dimensions ( which i have to buy one off from Toyota , as i have no spares ) does anyone have their catalogue numbers for all of them for the Beams ?

Old paper catalogue here, no BEAMS specific anything, it's the American engines one. Pretty sure we would be safe with the 3SGTE ones no? Celica RA45 should weigh in on this, if anyone knows it would be him. Check to see if they are the same, then you have the numbers, actually they have them online too no?

[MANDALAY]

I dont know the stock bolts mearurements. So if noone has bought them ARP will have to buy a sinle one of each and measure them up

[MANDALAY]

according to the EPC the turbos crankshaft bearing bolt,flywheel bolt and the cylinder head bolt + washer are the same numbers to the beams

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Originally Posted by MANDALAY

according to the EPC the crankshaft bearing bolt,flywheel bolt and thecylinder head bolt + washer are the same numbers to the beams

Yeah, I'd hit up Celica RA45 on that, for reassurance and all.

[MANDALAY]

Just rang ARP they have the full set for the turbo = beams but the head studs are 10mm so they have a 12 mm nut. Whats the go about them not fitting ?
They dont have 11 mm socket or ever haave, So if there is a number for the arp it would be greatly appreciated

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Originally Posted by MANDALAY

Just rang ARP they have the full set for the turbo = beams but the head studs are 10mm so they have a 12 mm nut. Whats the go about them not fitting ?
They dont have 11 mm socket or ever haave, So if there is a number for the arp it would be greatly appreciated

Generally go/no-go is that they could be too long/short. Not sure if our head is taller than the turbo head. It is a pretty different head after all.
What do you mean by the 12mm nut? I am not sure what you are referring to.
We have 11mm socket on our engine? Toyota uses 11mm on anything??

[MANDALAY]

EPC SAYS SAME BOLT. ARP Doesnt have a bolt they use stud and nut thus the 12 mm socket ?
If i remember correctly dont our heat bolts use an allen key ?

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Originally Posted by MANDALAY

EPC SAYS SAME BOLT. ARP Doesnt have a bolt they use stud and nut thus the 12 mm socket ?
If i remember correctly dont our heat bolts use an allen key ?

Same bolt it is then EPC SAYS IS IT DONE YET?!

I get it now, totally forgot about that, yes they use stud & nut. Make sure you can fit the 12mm nut down in there, sometimes clearance issue because of the casting/machining.
You know, I don't wanna confuse things here, you might be right about the HEAD (not heat) being allen-keyed....I know for a fact Honda's are, keep taking one apart, I should know by now. The APR ones we use now are also allen-keyed.
CHECK THE LENGTHS!!1!

edit: why do I stress the length? The studs are not threaded all along the length

[MANDALAY]

Might be easier just to buy a single of each abd give them to ARP to match

[MANDALAY]

Crank is in looks like there was 3 in Australia.
Block is being made with an estimated time for japan to recieve approx 21/4 so it looks like it wont be here until end of May.
Should get my bolts here by Monday . Will measure them up and get the measurements off to ARP.

[Celica RA45]

i thought you said short block with crank ,rods and pistons plus block all ready assembled as you cant just buy a bare block
also ARP changed there nuts from 11 to 12 on the turbo 3sgte so wont fit the beams on the head but the mains will fit but you will have to machine alloy sump .well i had to to get my sump .machined to bolt up

[MANDALAY]

the bare block is block,pistons and bearings only.
machine the sump ?
yes im enquiring about the 11 mill bolts

[MANDALAY]

Rang ARP and they said there has never been any 11 bolts with those studs. Given the stud is 10mm a 11 mm nut is not feasible. So i have no idea what your talking about , am confused ?

[Celica RA45]

well i bought a long neck 11mm socket so i could tighten the nuts up this was for a 3sgte head and were 11mm nuts the new sets has 12mm nuts and wont fit into the gap that you need to tighten

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Originally Posted by Celica RA45

well i bought a long neck 11mm socket so i could tighten the nuts up this was for a 3sgte head and were 11mm nuts the new sets has 12mm nuts and wont fit into the gap that you need to tighten

exactly that MANDALAY, now is it possible to machine some material away over there so the tool fits?

[MANDALAY]

So THE nut does clear its only the socket wrench that doesnt ?
If that be the case i know that the very good socket sets have versions with thinner walls

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Originally Posted by MANDALAY

So THE nut does clear its only the socket wrench that doesnt ?
If that be the case i know that the very good socket sets have versions with thinner walls

Pretty sure it is a matter of creating clearance for the tool. I do not think there is enough even for those SnapOn thin wall sockets....I would stick with trying to machine a tiny little bit....

[MANDALAY]

Should have a look at the spare engine while i have it , but whats to machine / clear as Glenn mentioned sump ? Is the head or the bolts that hold the crankshaft ? im confused.
Picturs are welcome