water pump and cambelt

oldsoul45 · 03-12-2009, 05:40 PM

Hi need to replace my water pump on a celica redtop...take it is the same as the 3sge rev 3...is there a how to anywere...understand about locking the engine and cams to fit a new belt but what else do i need to know...did take it in to a garage to do but because they didn't know the engine they won't touch it so as the pump is leaking i need to sort it so any advice would be good

puretone · 03-12-2009, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by oldsoul45

Hi need to replace my water pump on a celica redtop...take it is the same as the 3sge rev 3...is there a how to anywere...understand about locking the engine and cams to fit a new belt but what else do i need to know...did take it in to a garage to do but because they didn't know the engine they won't touch it so as the pump is leaking i need to sort it so any advice would be good

I think the belt indeed is the same as the Rev3 3SGE, have one at home that I ordered by selecting the European MR2 with 3SGE (non-BEAMS) and it turned out to be the same number.......don't quote me on that right now, I don't have the belt in front of me to tell you 100%

Pump # coming up....

MANDALAY · 03-12-2009, 05:54 PM

Tensioner will have to be recliped with grenade clip.
If your engine is in a MR2 good luck

Your going to have to have a couple of jacks, undo engine mounts and wiggle the body and engine to the riight angle just to take the cover off !
If you never replaced any of those items before you installed the clip be prepared for maybe a few wont let go bolts.
TAKE TO A TOYOTA DEALER give them the **** load of money they want at least you will be confident all the timing is still correct.
As far as the WP the same not sure until i checkmy EPC but the correct number is in the Sticky RED TOP PARTS. Do the cam belt

oldsoul45 · 03-12-2009, 06:37 PM

99.9 sure it's the same pump

MANDALAY · 03-13-2009, 11:11 AM

Yes after 1993/11 the pumps are the same
16100-79225

Servin · 03-13-2009, 11:37 AM

Water Pump is the same for gen3 3SGE. But timing belt is not! Only VVTi BEAMS belt work for BEAMS. That includes Blacktop Altezza RS200 belt.

puretone · 03-13-2009, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Servin

Water Pump is the same for gen3 3SGE. But timing belt is not! Only VVTi BEAMS belt work for BEAMS. That includes Blacktop Altezza RS200 belt.

Really? I'll check on sunday/monday what part number mine is. I managed to order mine by selecting a 3SGE non-BEAMS at the Toyota dealer and the proper belt came. It was a Euro 3SGE if I remember correctly....

Servin · 03-13-2009, 03:42 PM

Remember they sold the RS200 in Europe so that may have been the Euro 3SGE.

puretone · 03-13-2009, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Servin

Remember they sold the RS200 in Europe so that may have been the Euro 3SGE.

They did? Or just in the UK?

I remember tricking the system by going 1990's MR2 with 3SGE or Celica with 3SGE....neither of which I am aware of were the BEAMS edition(s), when the cam-belt arrived I looked it up, compared it with the OEM piece I already had and proved to be same with, teeth & pitch though my original piece was slightly stretched from wear, they were similar is length.

I will have a close look at it in a couple days when I fly back home and spend some time with my RedTop, yeay!

MANDALAY · 03-13-2009, 06:08 PM

NO BELTS ARE DIFFERENT PART NUMBER TO Euro/ 3SGE n/a OR AUSSIE.
Are they the same ? dont fancy buying one to find out.

Celica RA45 · 03-13-2009, 07:10 PM

belts will only fit beams and the rs200 was only availible in japan ,most of the uk 1s were private imports same as nz 1`s
part no is 13568-80015

Servin · 03-13-2009, 07:16 PM

Yes! And if you are using a gen3 belt, previous generation belts are off by 1 tooth which means the fit but do not work 100% properly.

puretone · 03-14-2009, 02:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Servin

Yes! And if you are using a gen3 belt, previous generation belts are off by 1 tooth which means the fit but do not work 100% properly.

Again guys, I will double check this as soon as I get there. It would seem as a HUGE coincidence that they gave me a BEAMS belt instead of Gen3 belt, especially when I come up with a BEAMS engine they never knew existed LOL.
I'll try and count teeth hahahaha

MANDALAY · 03-14-2009, 06:05 AM

Non left in Australia bought the last one for Servin

4-5 weeks for me to get then add 2 weeks to get to USA.
They are different compared it to my Gen 3 today

puretone · 03-17-2009, 01:58 AM

The belt I ordered using the non-BEAMS 3SGE engine they use in Europe/Holland is part number:
13568-79105

And that's the BEAMS number, what the heck is going on here??? Did they just replace all the numbers with one universal/common one?

MANDALAY · 03-17-2009, 08:18 AM

The Beams number is 13568-80015.
Thats the number i have always ordered with .
Last one for Servin several weeks ago. He took the last one in Australia. When i ordered mine i got my mate to bring a few in. No its Japan only, 5 week wait

Servin · 03-17-2009, 08:38 PM

Oh wow I didnt know I got the last BEAMS belt in Aussie!

puretone · 03-17-2009, 11:58 PM

HA! When I look in the EPC & on toyodiy it comes up with this number for the SS3 Celica, is there a difference with the MR2 one?

MANDALAY · 03-18-2009, 12:07 AM

MANDALAY · 03-18-2009, 12:12 AM

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Originally Posted by puretone

HA! When I look in the EPC & on toyodiy it comes up with this number for the SS3 Celica, is there a difference with the MR2 one?

I think the only prob with toyoDIY is that is quotes all the versions of a part.
Have a better look and you will see 13568-80015

I think people still have to ask for the right number that is a beams from ones that have an EPC or the correct number

03-12-2009, 05:40 PM	#1 (permalink)
oldsoul45 Beams Owners Group Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Preston,Lancashire,UK Posts: 221 Thanks: 21 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	water pump and cambelt Hi need to replace my water pump on a celica redtop...take it is the same as the 3sge rev 3...is there a how to anywere...understand about locking the engine and cams to fit a new belt but what else do i need to know...did take it in to a garage to do but because they didn't know the engine they won't touch it so as the pump is leaking i need to sort it so any advice would be good

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03-12-2009, 05:54 PM	#3 (permalink)
MANDALAY Beams Owners Group Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: victoria AUSTRALIA Posts: 4,210 Thanks: 136 Thanked 112 Times in 107 Posts My Google Map iTrader Rating: (6/100% )	Tensioner will have to be recliped with grenade clip. If your engine is in a MR2 good luck Your going to have to have a couple of jacks, undo engine mounts and wiggle the body and engine to the riight angle just to take the cover off ! If you never replaced any of those items before you installed the clip be prepared for maybe a few wont let go bolts. TAKE TO A TOYOTA DEALER give them the **** load of money they want at least you will be confident all the timing is still correct. As far as the WP the same not sure until i checkmy EPC but the correct number is in the Sticky RED TOP PARTS. Do the cam belt

03-12-2009, 06:37 PM	#4 (permalink)
oldsoul45 Beams Owners Group Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Preston,Lancashire,UK Posts: 221 Thanks: 21 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	99.9 sure it's the same pump

03-13-2009, 11:11 AM	#5 (permalink)
MANDALAY Beams Owners Group Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: victoria AUSTRALIA Posts: 4,210 Thanks: 136 Thanked 112 Times in 107 Posts My Google Map iTrader Rating: (6/100% )	Yes after 1993/11 the pumps are the same 16100-79225

03-13-2009, 11:37 AM	#6 (permalink)
Servin Beams Owners Group Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: DFW, Texas Posts: 1,250 Thanks: 13 Thanked 54 Times in 42 Posts iTrader Rating: (2/100% )	Water Pump is the same for gen3 3SGE. But timing belt is not! Only VVTi BEAMS belt work for BEAMS. That includes Blacktop Altezza RS200 belt.

03-13-2009, 03:42 PM	#8 (permalink)
Servin Beams Owners Group Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: DFW, Texas Posts: 1,250 Thanks: 13 Thanked 54 Times in 42 Posts iTrader Rating: (2/100% )	Remember they sold the RS200 in Europe so that may have been the Euro 3SGE.

03-13-2009, 06:08 PM	#10 (permalink)
MANDALAY Beams Owners Group Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: victoria AUSTRALIA Posts: 4,210 Thanks: 136 Thanked 112 Times in 107 Posts My Google Map iTrader Rating: (6/100% )	NO BELTS ARE DIFFERENT PART NUMBER TO Euro/ 3SGE n/a OR AUSSIE. Are they the same ? dont fancy buying one to find out.

03-13-2009, 07:10 PM	#11 (permalink)
Celica RA45 Beams Owners Group Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: sunny australia Posts: 628 Thanks: 0 Thanked 44 Times in 40 Posts My Google Map iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	belts will only fit beams and the rs200 was only availible in japan ,most of the uk 1s were private imports same as nz 1`s part no is 13568-80015

03-13-2009, 07:16 PM	#12 (permalink)
Servin Beams Owners Group Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: DFW, Texas Posts: 1,250 Thanks: 13 Thanked 54 Times in 42 Posts iTrader Rating: (2/100% )	Yes! And if you are using a gen3 belt, previous generation belts are off by 1 tooth which means the fit but do not work 100% properly.

03-14-2009, 06:05 AM	#14 (permalink)
MANDALAY Beams Owners Group Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: victoria AUSTRALIA Posts: 4,210 Thanks: 136 Thanked 112 Times in 107 Posts My Google Map iTrader Rating: (6/100% )	Non left in Australia bought the last one for Servin 4-5 weeks for me to get then add 2 weeks to get to USA. They are different compared it to my Gen 3 today

03-17-2009, 01:58 AM	#15 (permalink)
puretone Beams Owners Group Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Aruba, #1 BEAMS Engine on the Island Posts: 2,339 Thanks: 28 Thanked 57 Times in 56 Posts My Google Map iTrader Rating: (1/100% )	The belt I ordered using the non-BEAMS 3SGE engine they use in Europe/Holland is part number: 13568-79105 And that's the BEAMS number, what the heck is going on here??? Did they just replace all the numbers with one universal/common one?

03-17-2009, 08:18 AM	#16 (permalink)
MANDALAY Beams Owners Group Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: victoria AUSTRALIA Posts: 4,210 Thanks: 136 Thanked 112 Times in 107 Posts My Google Map iTrader Rating: (6/100% )	The Beams number is 13568-80015. Thats the number i have always ordered with . Last one for Servin several weeks ago. He took the last one in Australia. When i ordered mine i got my mate to bring a few in. No its Japan only, 5 week wait

03-17-2009, 08:38 PM	#17 (permalink)
Servin Beams Owners Group Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: DFW, Texas Posts: 1,250 Thanks: 13 Thanked 54 Times in 42 Posts iTrader Rating: (2/100% )	Oh wow I didnt know I got the last BEAMS belt in Aussie!

03-17-2009, 11:58 PM	#18 (permalink)
puretone Beams Owners Group Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Aruba, #1 BEAMS Engine on the Island Posts: 2,339 Thanks: 28 Thanked 57 Times in 56 Posts My Google Map iTrader Rating: (1/100% )	HA! When I look in the EPC & on toyodiy it comes up with this number for the SS3 Celica, is there a difference with the MR2 one?

03-18-2009, 12:07 AM	#19 (permalink)
MANDALAY Beams Owners Group Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: victoria AUSTRALIA Posts: 4,210 Thanks: 136 Thanked 112 Times in 107 Posts My Google Map iTrader Rating: (6/100% )	No