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Old 03-23-2009, 10:12 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Question: anyone know what it would take to swap in a BEAMS gauge cluster in a '93 (electric speedo) US NA (5sfe) MR2?

Pretty sure it's not jus' plug-and-play... and I have a wiring diagram to rewire the cluster to work with a Turbo MR2... but i don't think the process is -quite- the same...

Any help'd be appreciated. Thanks!
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hi,
I just put in a 98 Uk spec cluster which is identical to Beams
just tach signal is diff and it has MPH and KPH..

93-99 all have same connectors just diff pinouts

I also took off 2 corner panels that diplay warning lights and
swap over as well..

So cluster now is in and all US spec lights work like normal..
There is no spot for 2nd Airbag Warning wire so that will be a
custom install later ..

It is a little more involved swapping warning light panels to RHD
but to me keeps it more OEM as if you sell car later some of
the warning lights are not standard US style and someone
may have no idea whats wrong ..

also you will need to swap brown brackets on side from US spec
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Question: anyone know what it would take to swap in a BEAMS gauge cluster in a '93 (electric speedo) US NA (5sfe) MR2?

Pretty sure it's not jus' plug-and-play... and I have a wiring diagram to rewire the cluster to work with a Turbo MR2... but i don't think the process is -quite- the same...

Any help'd be appreciated. Thanks!
I did ST202 BEAMS cluster into an ST184 with 5SFE (Mechanical speedo), wasn't very hard, just alot of figuring out how things are wired. Main issue I ran into was the ST202 had daytime running lights, which messed with how the cluster is illuminated. Not sure how the '93 5SFE equipped MR2's plugs are, probably somewhat similar to the ST184 with 5SFE plugs.
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Is there going to be a serious issue if the old cluster was in MPH and the new one is in KM/H? I can handle reading the KM/H, but will there be a difference in the signal to the cluster?

Also, I've got a pinout swap diagram of a 93 USDM 5sfe N/A cluster -> 93 JDM 3sgte Turbo cluster... but after looking at the gauges, it appears to be useless...

Is the process really just finding which wires go to what on both clusters, and changing the old pins on the harnass to route from the old location to the new one? If the PO installed an MSD tach adapter to have the old Tach read correctly, will I just need to remove it?
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Is there going to be a serious issue if the old cluster was in MPH and the new one is in KM/H? I can handle reading the KM/H, but will there be a difference in the signal to the cluster?

Also, I've got a pinout swap diagram of a 93 USDM 5sfe N/A cluster -> 93 JDM 3sgte Turbo cluster... but after looking at the gauges, it appears to be useless...

Is the process really just finding which wires go to what on both clusters, and changing the old pins on the harnass to route from the old location to the new one? If the PO installed an MSD tach adapter to have the old Tach read correctly, will I just need to remove it?

Not 100% if the Mp/h & Km/h speed sensors are the same.....I kinda would assume they are, less parts & numbers to keep track of, I *think* it's up to the speedo/gauge-cluster to do the gender-bending on the signal.

3SGTE wiring not totally useless, good guide, I used it to swap my gauges in
Tracing wires, yes & no, some are similar others aren't or are irrelevant to USDM gauges (so there will be no light bulb and/or pin for it). Side note, on ST202 if you remove the seatbelt warning pin/bulb, ECU does something freaky, haven't figured out why or how yet.
Speedo is a piece of piss to do, just that from the Toyota OEM wiring diagrams it seems to be that the SPD signal from the speed-sensor goes to the cluster first *BEFORE* going to the ECU.
It will take you all of 30mins to map out both gauges clusters if you have them out of the car, to mark with pin is used for what, and what/where the grounds are.....really, piece of cake.
If you are going to use the BEAMS tacho than there is no need for the MSD Tach Adapter anymore. I noticed it (the BEAMS Tacho) will will work with it (MSD adapter) connected & disconnected funny enough. Not sure why or how that works out.
You *might* have an issue with your blinker indicator on the BEAMS cluster, I assume this is because the BEAMS equipped MR2's/Celica's have daytime running lights (? check for accuracy plse) and it will illuminate both blinker lights on the cluster, simple fix, cut the cross over on the blinker on the back of the cluster. This was the case for the ST202 BEAMS cluster I have.
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ST184 to ST202 BEAMS Dash

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No... ;_;

Thanks though!! ^_^

...on review, though, none'a the plugs/plug holes on the new cluster have a 16 pin input...

Just one brown 13-pin (leftmost, looking at teh back), one blue 13-pin (center), and one white 10-pin (rightmost, looking at the back)

After closer examination, I think the gauge I have (MR2 gauge) is wired differently... both the 5sfe one, and the beams one.... neither seem to match either pin diagram for your ST184 or ST202...

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No... ;_;

Thanks though!! ^_^

...on review, though, none'a the plugs/plug holes on the new cluster have a 16 pin input...

Just one brown 13-pin (leftmost, looking at teh back), one blue 13-pin (center), and one white 10-pin (rightmost, looking at the back)

After closer examination, I think the gauge I have (MR2 gauge) is wired differently... both the 5sfe one, and the beams one.... neither seem to match either pin diagram for your ST184 or ST202...

UHHHHHH Pin guide is for 1992 ST184 Convertible with 5SFE, USDM model.
The ST202 pins I have written there on my link are the _eXaCt_ pins & traces according to the JDM manual & what I physically verified each one to be.
The MR2 cluster is physically different, *probably* different plugs, but since it was to a 5SFE equipped MR2 I would surprised if they had any other gauge/plugs that are seriously different from the Celica or Camry....plug sizes & colours are different of course, but the descriptions/uses are the same.
The 16-pinner has for instance a lamp for the 4WS and another for the trunk being open. ABS one is on another plug, I forget there are some others, the 4WS is of course not on any MR2 (BEAMS or not) that I know of, so yeah yours plugs would be thinner/smaller because of lamps/features that are not used.

Don't make me look up MR2 diagrams and figure it out for you!
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Kk, basically traced each line on the BEAMS cluster, and found the corresponding line on the USDM 5sfe cluster.... mapped them all out, and called it good. Couple confusing parts (5sfe cluster had an extra box that several lines ran to... I'm guessing it's some form of auto-off on the lights when the ebrake is engaged, but could be mistaken)... not to mention there were some features (cruise control light, for instance) that wasn't represented on the BEAMS cluster, and some on the beams cluster (weird engine symbol, with three '~' marks stacked and an '8'.... and one that looked like a chevy symbol with steam rising off it... guessing it's a transmission temp sensor or an emissions sensor or something) that don't seem to be on the 5sfe cluster... Not worried 'bout those too much, though.

However, there are some pins on both, that don't seem to run to anything, really...

For instance, both clusters seem to have four empty holes on both the left side and the bottom side of the tachometer... some of these holes have pins that're wired to connectors that surround them, but there seems to be nothing -there-. Example: Pin B3 on the 5sfe cluster runs to the second-rightmost hole under the tach...

Pins unused from the 5sfe cluster:
BROWN PLUG:
A1 --MANUAL SHOWS THIS PIN AS "X"
A10 --COOLING FAN ECU (3SGTE)
A11 --MAIN O/D SWITCH (A/T)
A12 --CRUISE CONTROL ECU

BLUE PLUG:
B3 --TURBO PRESSURE SENSOR (3SGTE)
B5 --THEFT DETERANT ECU
B7 --ENGINE OIL LEVEL SENSOR (3SGTE)
B11 --- (From Ignition Sw "ST2")

Pins unused from the BEAMS cluster:
BROWN (leftmost) PLUG:
A1
A2
A3
A4
A8

BLUE (center) PLUG:
B2
B5

WHITE (rightmost) PLUG:
C8

After that, I'm not too worried about the extra stuff from the 5sfe cluster that's unmatched on the BEAMS cluster... other than pin B11 (from Ign. switch).

However, I don't know what the extra pins from the BEAMS cluster are for... does anyone have a wiring diagram for BEAMS cluster that could tell me what those pins are for?

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Well... I'm gonna start the pin swapping tonight... hopin' that the unaccounted-for/unused pins aren't to anything important... I suppose I'll see.

After the pin swap, all I should need to do is remove the MSD tach adapter, correct (since I'll be using the new tach, which's designed for the signal from the BEAMS ecu, right?)?
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^ do you have a Beams Tach ?
Has it Red Numbering ?
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Red numbers? No... just red dials... numbers are still white.

I'm guessing it might be a '98 non-beams N/A cluster, as I re-pinned things, and plugged everything in (without removing the MSD tach adapter), and all the gauges seem to be working perfectly. (rev limiter is at the correct redline markings, temp sits at same spot once car is warm, volt meter sits at normal, gas gauge seemed to adjust itself to where the tank should be... etc etc.

Only thing that seemed off was that the door ajar light didn't seem to work... and potentially the airbag light. Might have pinned those incorrectly, or they might be swapped around (pos/neg)... though I wouldn't think that would have an effect...

Anywho, past that everythin' seems to be workin' ^_^
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Kk, basically traced each line on the BEAMS cluster, and found the corresponding line on the USDM 5sfe cluster.... mapped them all out, and called it good. Couple confusing parts (5sfe cluster had an extra box that several lines ran to... I'm guessing it's some form of auto-off on the lights when the ebrake is engaged, but could be mistaken)... not to mention there were some features (cruise control light, for instance) that wasn't represented on the BEAMS cluster, and some on the beams cluster (weird engine symbol, with three '~' marks stacked and an '8'.... and one that looked like a chevy symbol with steam rising off it... guessing it's a transmission temp sensor or an emissions sensor or something) that don't seem to be on the 5sfe cluster... Not worried 'bout those too much, though.

However, there are some pins on both, that don't seem to run to anything, really...

For instance, both clusters seem to have four empty holes on both the left side and the bottom side of the tachometer... some of these holes have pins that're wired to connectors that surround them, but there seems to be nothing -there-. Example: Pin B3 on the 5sfe cluster runs to the second-rightmost hole under the tach...

Pins unused from the 5sfe cluster:
BROWN PLUG:
A1 --MANUAL SHOWS THIS PIN AS "X"
A10 --COOLING FAN ECU (3SGTE)
A11 --MAIN O/D SWITCH (A/T)
A12 --CRUISE CONTROL ECU

BLUE PLUG:
B3 --TURBO PRESSURE SENSOR (3SGTE)
B5 --THEFT DETERANT ECU
B7 --ENGINE OIL LEVEL SENSOR (3SGTE)
B11 --- (From Ignition Sw "ST2")

Pins unused from the BEAMS cluster:
BROWN (leftmost) PLUG:
A1
A2
A3
A4
A8

BLUE (center) PLUG:
B2
B5

WHITE (rightmost) PLUG:
C8

After that, I'm not too worried about the extra stuff from the 5sfe cluster that's unmatched on the BEAMS cluster... other than pin B11 (from Ign. switch).

However, I don't know what the extra pins from the BEAMS cluster are for... does anyone have a wiring diagram for BEAMS cluster that could tell me what those pins are for?
I know the symbol you are talking about, I was thinking it to be the heater to O2 sensor, perhaps a 2nd O2 sensor / 2nd catalyst temp? Eventhough we do not use one on the BEAMS, perhaps its there for the other versions of Celica/MR2/Etc.....not sure, perhaps it is tranny temp. No pin on the BEAMS gauges wiring & plugs.
I ran into 5SFE pins that did nothing as well, no not grounds either.
MSD tach adapter, well curiously enough on the BEAMS cluster, having the MSD in place connected OR disconnected provided the same reading. No clue why.
Your cluster is slightly different from mine, mine's ST202....not sure if your plugs are all the same......pictures perhaps?
I suspect you are running into the same thing I was suspecting half those mystery wires are for, namely the daytime running lights....which is the #1 reason for the blinker lamps both lighting up.
There are black-faced BEAMS clusters, super-rare Keith had some, verified BEAMS.
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Here's a pic of the exact cluster:

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She looks Beams to me
Hey remember the Beams doesnt have an oil float level in the sump . So it the light ever comes on ingnore it. Take the globe out, but regularly check your level with dipstick
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help!!

hi, i'm installing a beams 3sge into my celica AT180 (4afe engine and c52 gearbox) the beams is already in the car now but I need to know wich axel i have to buy. I have my original spindle with 255mm rotor and the turbo ones with 277mm rotor.
it's ok if I buy the 3sge st202 axel? or the st182 axel?
another issue is the cluster because is mechanical(with that cable). so I was planing to buy the gt4 cluster or the ST182 cluster (2 gen 3sge).
some photos of my car. i hope you like

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hi, i'm installing a beams 3sge into my celica AT180 (4afe engine and c52 gearbox) the beams is already in the car now but I need to know wHich axel i have to buy. I have my original spindle with 255mm rotor and the turbo ones with 277mm rotor.
it's ok if I buy the 3sge st202 axel? or the st182 axel?
another issue is the cluster because is mechanical(with that cable). so I was planing to buy the gt4 cluster or the ST182 cluster (2 gen 3sge).
some photos of my car. i hope you like

sorry about my english,it's so rusty . i'm from lima-peru
buena cosa q tienes alli!

I have ST184 Celica with BEAMS. I used the ST184 driveshafts into the S54 transmission that came with my BEAMS engine. The ST202 driveshafts are a little too short apparently. I think you will need the ST184/ST185 spindles to use those rotors. Check if you can when you buy the axle (no se escribe 'axel' pero 'axle') to see if they are the same.

I had mechanical speedo in my original cluster. This will not work properly. I know from my experience when I had mechanical speedo that the ECU does not work correctly. It needs the SPD signal from the electronic speed-sensor on the transmission, then from there the SPD signal goes to the speedo....from the speedo it goes to ECU. If the GT4 or ST182 cluster uses electronic speedometer, then it will probably work correctly.
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I have ST184 Celica with BEAMS. I used the ST184 driveshafts into the S54 transmission that came with my BEAMS engine. The ST202 driveshafts are a little too short apparently. I think you will need the ST184/ST185 spindles to use those rotors. Check if you can when you buy the axle (no se escribe 'axel' pero 'axle') to see if they are the same.

I had mechanical speedo in my original cluster. This will not work properly. I know from my experience when I had mechanical speedo that the ECU does not work correctly. It needs the SPD signal from the electronic speed-sensor on the transmission, then from there the SPD signal goes to the speedo....from the speedo it goes to ECU. If the GT4 or ST182 cluster uses electronic speedometer, then it will probably work correctly.
st185 and st182 cluster uses electronic speedometer so I hope that works fine. i'll try to take some photos of my car tomorrow, thanks for your help
by the way, there are only 6 celicas SSIII in the hole contry, I was so lucky beacuse one of them swap his beams to 3sgte and sold me his engine.
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st185 and st182 cluster uses electronic speedometer so I hope that works fine. i'll try to take some photos of my car tomorrow, thanks for your help
by the way, there are only 6 celicas SSIII in the hole contry, I was so lucky beacuse one of them swap his beams to 3sgte and sold me his engine.

I am the *only* one in my country with BEAMS.....LOL but I am also in a very small island in the Caribbean.


BTW: MANDALAY (or anyone else who had 3SGTE), how it the boost/vac gauge handled in the SW20/GT4/Alltrac handled? Does it use a signal from the MAP sensor or from the ECU?
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hey,
If you want exact wiring i will email you my notes as i have a 95na so will
be same for 93..

I did swap corner warning light cover though so notes will be for using US warning
lights but everthing else same..

everthing but airbag light works correctly. Even have security light on tach
like US spec..
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