vvti removal info wanted please

d8vyr · 05-04-2009, 07:36 PM

hi all, i am removing all the standard injection parts and replacing them with normal bike carbs(not t/b`s)....i plan on running a megajolt ecu but been told i might have bother because of the vvti..is there a way of dissabling or removing the vvti...thanks in advance davy

PHOENIX · 05-04-2009, 07:46 PM

Why disable the VVTI? Then it is just a basic 3sge and the engine is pointless as to it being a beams. You should look into the Link EMS since you are close to Rogue (kinda) and can be tuned and operated with the VVT-I enabled.

Edit: Why do you want to use the megajolt? Its not an ECU or EMS, its an ignition control module so you can have a distributor-less ignition which is built for carb'd fords.

jclau45 · 05-04-2009, 07:49 PM

I will recomend that you keep the oem ecu on the car to run everything except the fuel. the fuel can be run with any fuel only aftermarket ecu. and just add a another cranktrigger. you can have it custom made. dont make the same mistake I made. is important to keep the vvti working.
Right now im having a hard time looking for a oem cranktrigger pulley because i did what you are trying to do know. If you want power go turbo with stock internals but only on 8 to 10 pounds of boost. itbs will not even come close ,
I had jenveys itbs on mines before. plus motorcycle itbs are too small for this engine. Makes sweet sound but thats just about it.

Celica RA45 · 05-05-2009, 02:28 AM

why buy jenveys when i make inlets to suitthe beams and i make throttles in 48mm and 50mm as well
ps if you have filed off some of the teeth on the crank pulley you can assign some ecus to read less like say 12 teeth ,well the motec and autronic does and i would also say the link as well .might pay you to look at it this way

puretone · 05-06-2009, 01:01 PM

Some seriously weird new members on our boards guys, what the hell is going on here?

Servin · 05-06-2009, 02:20 PM

Just unpluging the VVTi solenoid would work right?

jclau45 · 05-06-2009, 03:36 PM

LIKE WHO PURETONE?

puretone · 05-07-2009, 04:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jclau45

LIKE WHO PURETONE?

folks wanting to disable the VVTi....sort of a conundrum, why have the BEAMS engine then?

d8vyr · 05-07-2009, 05:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by puretone

folks wanting to disable the VVTi....sort of a conundrum, why have the BEAMS engine then?

it takes all sorts to make a world and it doesn`t make them weird for wanting to be different....i personally wouldn`t judge anyone on something as minor...i though cars were meant to be fun and a hobby, maybe i was wrong

MANDALAY · 05-07-2009, 06:54 PM

^ interesting thought but may as well start with a 3SGE N/A .
And even " SRK " has them at one fifth of the price of a BEAMS . REALISTICALLY THEY ARE ONLY 40 Hp down . If you dissable the VVTI thats what you really have , sure the compression is 10:1 as oppossed to 11:1 but just shave the head

Roman · 05-07-2009, 08:56 PM

I disagree, beams motor is better in a lot of ways other than just VVTI.

Peak power wouldnt change much/at all ditching VVTI, you'd just lose a lot of part throttle response/power, and low/midrange power.

Definitely not something I'd reccomend for an otherwise standardish motor.

Celica RA45 · 05-08-2009, 12:43 AM

and i still use some vvti in my race motor with 13.5 to 1 comp and 13.5 mm cam lift
ps its worth 25 kws at the back wheels and helps in getting more power down low as well

Oteck · 05-08-2009, 01:40 AM

thats like buying a gen3 turbo just to turn it to n/a. so backwards

d8vyr · 05-09-2009, 05:15 PM

the more information i get, the more confusing it get`s so i think i should start from the beginnig... what i have is a beams blacktop engine a six speed box and a ford anglia 105e, the car is modded to take the engine, what i don`t have is the throttle body(sold it because i wanted bike carbs) so what i need now is a way(miracle) to power and fuel it. my ideal way would be bike carbs because i can get them for a good price but i`m not sure now if this would work, as you can guess i`m a complete novice but i hope i`ve explained it clearly enough now that i`ve not got everyone as mixed up as myself...my car is a bare shell no wiring at all so i need to start from scratch(it`s been a complete nightmare of a project but i can`t give up now) so any advice would be greatly appreciated. cheers davy

jclau45 · 05-10-2009, 11:14 AM

Let me start by telling you from experience what I have encounter in my swap of this same engine. A couple of questions?
1- does the engine have the complete wiring and ecu.
2- what else you do not have.
3- What is it do you really want to run, (oem, turbo or itbs)

these are important thing that people in the forum need to know before any advice is given.
To run the itbs you can use the oem ecu but will have to make sure you can use the original tps, and also have to be able to run the maf sensor. If the power fc is compatible with a map sensor then you can run itbs because of the vvti problem with other aftermarket ecu. No matter what people say running the vvti with other ecu is a big problem, What is the use of having the beams vvti engine if you are not going to use vvti. Even though im going turbo now with this engine, If I have to start over again I will rethink my strategy and stay set to one idea.
If going turbo i will use a 3sgte engine. Beacuse by using the beams engine there is always the posibilty of breaking the engine if there is a timing misadjustment by the ecu.
My advise to you is to run the engine with the oem throttle body and ecu. Like the carina guy did. Get all the bugs out of the swap fix. make sure the vvti and the rest is working properly. And only after that think about itbs or turbo. This is only my humble opinion. I been there done that and still going at it.

d8vyr · 05-11-2009, 05:06 PM

i really appreciate your advice m8 and hind sight is a wonderful thing as i had the chance of the oem at the time and never took it and then in my wisdom i sold the throttle body as i was determined i was going the bike carb and aftermarket management route(ignorance is bliss). i spoke to a company in england today and they are telling me if i go with itb`s they can custom make me an ecu and get my engine running, vvti does not seem to phase them at all..here is the site, any chance that you could have a look and let me know what you think...Specialist Components - Welcome

Roman · 05-11-2009, 10:22 PM

There are a few options for running VVTI on aftermarket ECU now, a lot more options than a few years ago anyway.

Might be the subject of its own thread, could make for a good sticky.

Will pitch in my 2c on the subject a little later.

darcia1 · 05-11-2009, 10:37 PM

Celica Ra45 is the beams Expert here in Aus and i have had many a long conversation with him his bits that he makes are great.... Beams only way to go our conversion more complcated than most... more power more torque range

jclau45 · 05-12-2009, 04:49 PM

Lots of aftermarket companies promise many things but with the vvti many can deliver, If you are willing to get the engine tuned by them the price and features are unbeatable. Check with them before you make another mistake.

d8vyr · 05-12-2009, 05:23 PM

deffo think they are worth checking out(just found out they are ex lotus engineer`s).... i also spoke to another company that make all types of t/b`s(ATpower) who are interested in making manifolds for direct to head t/b`s(turn`s out these guys looked after a lexus that raced in the BTCC) so should know there stuff... so hopefully between these guys and RA45 it will be possible to get the beams running the way we want them to

05-04-2009, 07:36 PM	#1 (permalink)
d8vyr No Skills Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: north lanarkshire, scotland Posts: 47 Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	vvti removal info wanted please hi all, i am removing all the standard injection parts and replacing them with normal bike carbs(not t/b`s)....i plan on running a megajolt ecu but been told i might have bother because of the vvti..is there a way of dissabling or removing the vvti...thanks in advance davy

05-04-2009, 07:49 PM	#3 (permalink)
jclau45 No Skills Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: south florida Posts: 39 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	I will recomend that you keep the oem ecu on the car to run everything except the fuel. the fuel can be run with any fuel only aftermarket ecu. and just add a another cranktrigger. you can have it custom made. dont make the same mistake I made. is important to keep the vvti working. Right now im having a hard time looking for a oem cranktrigger pulley because i did what you are trying to do know. If you want power go turbo with stock internals but only on 8 to 10 pounds of boost. itbs will not even come close , I had jenveys itbs on mines before. plus motorcycle itbs are too small for this engine. Makes sweet sound but thats just about it. Last edited by jclau45; 05-04-2009 at 07:58 PM..

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05-04-2009, 07:46 PM	#2 (permalink)
PHOENIX Beams Owners Group Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: On Hiatus....... Posts: 9,266 Thanks: 92 Thanked 292 Times in 224 Posts Blog Entries: 1 My Google Map iTrader Rating: (49/100% )	Why disable the VVTI? Then it is just a basic 3sge and the engine is pointless as to it being a beams. You should look into the Link EMS since you are close to Rogue (kinda) and can be tuned and operated with the VVT-I enabled. Edit: Why do you want to use the megajolt? Its not an ECU or EMS, its an ignition control module so you can have a distributor-less ignition which is built for carb'd fords.

05-05-2009, 02:28 AM	#4 (permalink)
Celica RA45 Beams Owners Group Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: sunny australia Posts: 628 Thanks: 0 Thanked 44 Times in 40 Posts My Google Map iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	why buy jenveys when i make inlets to suitthe beams and i make throttles in 48mm and 50mm as well ps if you have filed off some of the teeth on the crank pulley you can assign some ecus to read less like say 12 teeth ,well the motec and autronic does and i would also say the link as well .might pay you to look at it this way

05-06-2009, 01:01 PM	#5 (permalink)
puretone Beams Owners Group Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Aruba, #1 BEAMS Engine on the Island Posts: 2,339 Thanks: 28 Thanked 57 Times in 56 Posts My Google Map iTrader Rating: (1/100% )	Some seriously weird new members on our boards guys, what the hell is going on here?

05-06-2009, 02:20 PM	#6 (permalink)
Servin Beams Owners Group Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: DFW, Texas Posts: 1,250 Thanks: 13 Thanked 54 Times in 42 Posts iTrader Rating: (2/100% )	Just unpluging the VVTi solenoid would work right?

05-06-2009, 03:36 PM	#7 (permalink)
jclau45 No Skills Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: south florida Posts: 39 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	LIKE WHO PURETONE?

05-07-2009, 06:54 PM	#10 (permalink)
MANDALAY Beams Owners Group Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: victoria AUSTRALIA Posts: 4,210 Thanks: 136 Thanked 112 Times in 107 Posts My Google Map iTrader Rating: (6/100% )	^ interesting thought but may as well start with a 3SGE N/A . And even " SRK " has them at one fifth of the price of a BEAMS . REALISTICALLY THEY ARE ONLY 40 Hp down . If you dissable the VVTI thats what you really have , sure the compression is 10:1 as oppossed to 11:1 but just shave the head

05-07-2009, 08:56 PM	#11 (permalink)
Roman Beams OCD Support Group Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Auckland, NZ Posts: 946 Thanks: 23 Thanked 56 Times in 36 Posts My Google Map iTrader Rating: (2/100% )	I disagree, beams motor is better in a lot of ways other than just VVTI. Peak power wouldnt change much/at all ditching VVTI, you'd just lose a lot of part throttle response/power, and low/midrange power. Definitely not something I'd reccomend for an otherwise standardish motor.

05-08-2009, 12:43 AM	#12 (permalink)
Celica RA45 Beams Owners Group Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: sunny australia Posts: 628 Thanks: 0 Thanked 44 Times in 40 Posts My Google Map iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	and i still use some vvti in my race motor with 13.5 to 1 comp and 13.5 mm cam lift ps its worth 25 kws at the back wheels and helps in getting more power down low as well

05-08-2009, 01:40 AM	#13 (permalink)
Oteck Eye'm the Str⑨ngest Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Burnaby B.C. Posts: 4,947 Thanks: 11 Thanked 173 Times in 157 Posts Blog Entries: 3 iTrader Rating: (5/100% )	thats like buying a gen3 turbo just to turn it to n/a. so backwards

05-09-2009, 05:15 PM	#14 (permalink)
d8vyr No Skills Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: north lanarkshire, scotland Posts: 47 Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	the more information i get, the more confusing it get`s so i think i should start from the beginnig... what i have is a beams blacktop engine a six speed box and a ford anglia 105e, the car is modded to take the engine, what i don`t have is the throttle body(sold it because i wanted bike carbs) so what i need now is a way(miracle) to power and fuel it. my ideal way would be bike carbs because i can get them for a good price but i`m not sure now if this would work, as you can guess i`m a complete novice but i hope i`ve explained it clearly enough now that i`ve not got everyone as mixed up as myself...my car is a bare shell no wiring at all so i need to start from scratch(it`s been a complete nightmare of a project but i can`t give up now) so any advice would be greatly appreciated. cheers davy

05-10-2009, 11:14 AM	#15 (permalink)
jclau45 No Skills Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: south florida Posts: 39 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	Let me start by telling you from experience what I have encounter in my swap of this same engine. A couple of questions? 1- does the engine have the complete wiring and ecu. 2- what else you do not have. 3- What is it do you really want to run, (oem, turbo or itbs) these are important thing that people in the forum need to know before any advice is given. To run the itbs you can use the oem ecu but will have to make sure you can use the original tps, and also have to be able to run the maf sensor. If the power fc is compatible with a map sensor then you can run itbs because of the vvti problem with other aftermarket ecu. No matter what people say running the vvti with other ecu is a big problem, What is the use of having the beams vvti engine if you are not going to use vvti. Even though im going turbo now with this engine, If I have to start over again I will rethink my strategy and stay set to one idea. If going turbo i will use a 3sgte engine. Beacuse by using the beams engine there is always the posibilty of breaking the engine if there is a timing misadjustment by the ecu. My advise to you is to run the engine with the oem throttle body and ecu. Like the carina guy did. Get all the bugs out of the swap fix. make sure the vvti and the rest is working properly. And only after that think about itbs or turbo. This is only my humble opinion. I been there done that and still going at it.

05-11-2009, 05:06 PM	#16 (permalink)
d8vyr No Skills Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: north lanarkshire, scotland Posts: 47 Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	i really appreciate your advice m8 and hind sight is a wonderful thing as i had the chance of the oem at the time and never took it and then in my wisdom i sold the throttle body as i was determined i was going the bike carb and aftermarket management route(ignorance is bliss). i spoke to a company in england today and they are telling me if i go with itb`s they can custom make me an ecu and get my engine running, vvti does not seem to phase them at all..here is the site, any chance that you could have a look and let me know what you think...Specialist Components - Welcome

05-11-2009, 10:22 PM	#17 (permalink)
Roman Beams OCD Support Group Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Auckland, NZ Posts: 946 Thanks: 23 Thanked 56 Times in 36 Posts My Google Map iTrader Rating: (2/100% )	There are a few options for running VVTI on aftermarket ECU now, a lot more options than a few years ago anyway. Might be the subject of its own thread, could make for a good sticky. Will pitch in my 2c on the subject a little later.

05-11-2009, 10:37 PM	#18 (permalink)
darcia1 Beams Owners Group Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: melbourne Australia Posts: 46 Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	Celica Ra45 is the beams Expert here in Aus and i have had many a long conversation with him his bits that he makes are great.... Beams only way to go our conversion more complcated than most... more power more torque range

05-12-2009, 04:49 PM	#19 (permalink)
jclau45 No Skills Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: south florida Posts: 39 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	Lots of aftermarket companies promise many things but with the vvti many can deliver, If you are willing to get the engine tuned by them the price and features are unbeatable. Check with them before you make another mistake.

05-12-2009, 05:23 PM	#20 (permalink)
d8vyr No Skills Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: north lanarkshire, scotland Posts: 47 Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	deffo think they are worth checking out(just found out they are ex lotus engineer`s).... i also spoke to another company that make all types of t/b`s(ATpower) who are interested in making manifolds for direct to head t/b`s(turn`s out these guys looked after a lexus that raced in the BTCC) so should know there stuff... so hopefully between these guys and RA45 it will be possible to get the beams running the way we want them to