4WD conversion

AE101Jun · 10-29-2009, 01:31 PM

I would like to know, Celica GT4's or all-tracs are 4wd's right? so would a 3sgte tranny fit our BEAMS? also has anyone tried driving four-wheels with their BEAMS? I'm planning to have my corolla converted to 4wd using a celica's drivetrain, I really don't mind cutting or whatever needs to be done with the car, the reason why I wanna do this is with my future plans of boosting it, I feel FWD might not be the best setup for it specially during track days, you guys think this can be pulled off? anything I should lookout for?

Maruki-kun · 10-29-2009, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by AE101Jun

I would like to know, Celica GT4's or all-tracs are 4wd's right?

yes

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Originally Posted by AE101Jun

so would a 3sgte tranny fit our BEAMS?

yes iirc, it's just a 3SGE

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Originally Posted by AE101Jun

also has anyone tried driving four-wheels with their BEAMS?

Searched google, didn't see anything

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Originally Posted by AE101Jun

I'm planning to have my corolla converted to 4wd using a celica's drivetrain, I really don't mind cutting or whatever needs to be done with the car, the reason why I wanna do this is with my future plans of boosting it, I feel FWD might not be the best setup for it specially during track days, you guys think this can be pulled off? anything I should lookout for?

if you wanted an awd corolla, you might want to just find an alltrac corolla/camry, but beware, the awd system is VERY retarded.

AE101Jun · 10-29-2009, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Ku-sama

yes

yes iirc, it's just a 3SGE

Searched google, didn't see anything

if you wanted an awd corolla, you might want to just find an alltrac corolla/camry, but beware, the awd system is VERY retarded.

well the BEAMS is already in the rolla so might as well work with that

also what do you mean by retarded? also does the AWD system Celica's use, are they just plain and simple 4wd or can you switch it to 2wd also? does it involve any gizmo's like the EVO's complicated 4WD that has torque biasing, AYC, etc?

Maruki-kun · 10-29-2009, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by AE101Jun

well the BEAMS is already in the rolla so might as well work with that

also what do you mean by retarded? also does the AWD system Celica's use, are they just plain and simple 4wd or can you switch it to 2wd also? does it involve any gizmo's like the EVO's complicated 4WD that has torque biasing, AYC, etc?

it's unintelligent on the corollas, the Alltrac Celica's have a slightly better system in the ST185 and ST205 iirc, but your best bet is to ask these questions on Alltrac.net (sorry for the link mods, it's just that some alltrac questions are best answered by the pros)

RST · 10-29-2009, 07:12 PM

Stay RWD dude. MY MR2 with BEAMS is much more fun to drive than my ST205 with 3SGTE

BTW I did the clutch in my ST205 the other month, getting the gearbox and transfer box on/off is very very heavy and such a pain in the ass to do on the ST205.

AE101Jun · 10-29-2009, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by RST

Stay RWD dude. MY MR2 with BEAMS is much more fun to drive than my ST205 with 3SGTE

BTW I did the clutch in my ST205 the other month, getting the gearbox and transfer box on/off is very very heavy and such a pain in the ass to do on the ST205.

I wish I was RWD, sadly it's FWD

Oteck · 10-29-2009, 07:56 PM

v6 + awd is your answer

Roman · 11-01-2009, 05:22 PM

The SS2000 class corollas used for rally use a single VVTI beams motor, and the GT4 celica drivetrain.

So it's definitely doable.

There's a guy here in New Zealand whos converted a factory 4WD AE104 sprinter sedan (or something similar) to use a 3SGTE and celica 4WD system.

Hacking up a fwd to fit the rear driveshaft and diff etc probably aint gonne be pretty, most likely have to lose some of your interior to make it all fit in a new tunnel.

Also, at the last local time attack event held by one of the local car magazines, the winning car was a 7AGTE powered front wheel drive AE92... This car has also done 10 second quarter miles, and is still street legal, uses front wheel drive.

Can go fast on a track with any engine/drivetrain layout if you spend the time and $$$ refining it.

AE101Jun · 11-01-2009, 08:28 PM

Thanks Roman! that got me thinking, well I think I'll maximize first the potential of my setup then that's the time I'll reassess my plans, but for long term, what I want from this car would be like a Celica GT4 guised in a Corolla's body.

puretone · 11-03-2009, 02:40 AM

GT4 = dead give away its 4 wheel drive no? Thought you could guess that.

If you are going AWD on the Corolla, why not just BlackTop BEAMS it with the RS200 tranny & drivetrain? Much moar +1 fun with that I think...less work too, tho both will require lots work to get running...instead of RedTop + AWD driveline from a Celica....

Roman · 11-03-2009, 03:31 AM

You've got to be a member to be able to read it, but check out this if you're serious about the 4WD:

Toyspeed.org.nz Message Board :: Log in

Would be easy as to chuck all of your beams parts and running gear into a 4WD shell.

Stados · 11-03-2009, 04:42 AM

I have seen a old Camry 4x4 (like 1990 or so!) running a Beams redtop in Quebec City. But really don't know much about this car.

Raptor13x · 11-03-2009, 07:23 AM

This question crops up about once every 3 or 4 months, and it makes me sigh every time. First of all, the alltrac trans would be backwards. Secondly, there's no good reason to make the MR2 all wheel drive.

Roman · 11-03-2009, 07:24 AM

Have you even bothered to read the thread at all?

You'd probably sigh a little less if so.

puretone · 11-04-2009, 02:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Raptor13x

This question crops up about once every 3 or 4 months, and it makes me sigh every time. First of all, the alltrac trans would be backwards. Secondly, there's no good reason to make the MR2 all wheel drive.

he's talking 4WD into a Corolla, not into an MR2

AE101Jun · 11-04-2009, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Roman

You've got to be a member to be able to read it, but check out this if you're serious about the 4WD:

Toyspeed.org.nz Message Board :: Log in

Would be easy as to chuck all of your beams parts and running gear into a 4WD shell.

I tried signing up for the site, said my email was banned, tried another email, said the same thing, anyway I came across Fensports site and saw there a couple of conversions they did with an originally FF cars to AWD when they transplanted the 3SGTE, both were Celicas so I guess that made them easier, but on of those Celi's was the latest one which had the 2ZZ engine so I wonder what mods were done. you guys think I would need to hack my floor to fit everything? would the same shock mounting on the rear be used without any mods?

Roman · 11-04-2009, 02:25 PM

Toyspeed wont let you sign up with a 'free' email address, like hotmail etc.

Basically the guy started with an AE104 sprinter sedan, which is the factory 4WD version.

Honestly, not worth the effort converting a fwd to 4wd when there's already a factory car that came out that way?

AE101Jun · 11-04-2009, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Roman

Toyspeed wont let you sign up with a 'free' email address, like hotmail etc.

Basically the guy started with an AE104 sprinter sedan, which is the factory 4WD version.

Honestly, not worth the effort converting a fwd to 4wd when there's already a factory car that came out that way?

You think the factory Helical LSD plus a set of coilovers and the usual suspension upgrades be able to control about 250 whp up front?

Thanks Roman, you're saving me alot of headaches!

RST · 11-09-2009, 04:39 PM

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I wish I was RWD, sadly it's FWD

...sorry dude -just assumed it was in an MR2 from the forum

RST · 11-09-2009, 04:45 PM

Is this anything like the crazy German guy who's committed to building a beams turbo GT4 based on an altezza black top engine -did that ever get anywhere????? -must be a page or 2 back on the forum??

.....anyhow (unrelated) 4WD is easy driving -RWD RULES END OF. Forget a 4WD conversion, if any you should be looking at RWD!!!!!!!!!!

10-29-2009, 01:31 PM	#1 (permalink)
AE101Jun Beams Owners Group Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Philippines Posts: 94 Thanks: 2 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	4WD conversion I would like to know, Celica GT4's or all-tracs are 4wd's right? so would a 3sgte tranny fit our BEAMS? also has anyone tried driving four-wheels with their BEAMS? I'm planning to have my corolla converted to 4wd using a celica's drivetrain, I really don't mind cutting or whatever needs to be done with the car, the reason why I wanna do this is with my future plans of boosting it, I feel FWD might not be the best setup for it specially during track days, you guys think this can be pulled off? anything I should lookout for?

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RST Beams Owners Group Join Date: May 2007 Location: Inverness, Scotland Posts: 479 Thanks: 8 Thanked 25 Times in 22 Posts iTrader Rating: (1/100% )	Stay RWD dude. MY MR2 with BEAMS is much more fun to drive than my ST205 with 3SGTE BTW I did the clutch in my ST205 the other month, getting the gearbox and transfer box on/off is very very heavy and such a pain in the ass to do on the ST205.

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Oteck Eye'm the Str⑨ngest Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Burnaby B.C. Posts: 4,945 Thanks: 11 Thanked 172 Times in 157 Posts Blog Entries: 3 iTrader Rating: (5/100% )	v6 + awd is your answer

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Roman Beams OCD Support Group Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Auckland, NZ Posts: 946 Thanks: 23 Thanked 56 Times in 36 Posts My Google Map iTrader Rating: (2/100% )	The SS2000 class corollas used for rally use a single VVTI beams motor, and the GT4 celica drivetrain. So it's definitely doable. There's a guy here in New Zealand whos converted a factory 4WD AE104 sprinter sedan (or something similar) to use a 3SGTE and celica 4WD system. Hacking up a fwd to fit the rear driveshaft and diff etc probably aint gonne be pretty, most likely have to lose some of your interior to make it all fit in a new tunnel. Also, at the last local time attack event held by one of the local car magazines, the winning car was a 7AGTE powered front wheel drive AE92... This car has also done 10 second quarter miles, and is still street legal, uses front wheel drive. Can go fast on a track with any engine/drivetrain layout if you spend the time and $$$ refining it.

11-01-2009, 08:28 PM	#9 (permalink)
AE101Jun Beams Owners Group Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Philippines Posts: 94 Thanks: 2 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	Thanks Roman! that got me thinking, well I think I'll maximize first the potential of my setup then that's the time I'll reassess my plans, but for long term, what I want from this car would be like a Celica GT4 guised in a Corolla's body.

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puretone Beams Owners Group Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Aruba, #1 BEAMS Engine on the Island Posts: 2,338 Thanks: 28 Thanked 57 Times in 56 Posts My Google Map iTrader Rating: (1/100% )	GT4 = dead give away its 4 wheel drive no? Thought you could guess that. If you are going AWD on the Corolla, why not just BlackTop BEAMS it with the RS200 tranny & drivetrain? Much moar +1 fun with that I think...less work too, tho both will require lots work to get running...instead of RedTop + AWD driveline from a Celica....

11-03-2009, 03:31 AM	#11 (permalink)
Roman Beams OCD Support Group Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Auckland, NZ Posts: 946 Thanks: 23 Thanked 56 Times in 36 Posts My Google Map iTrader Rating: (2/100% )	You've got to be a member to be able to read it, but check out this if you're serious about the 4WD: Toyspeed.org.nz Message Board :: Log in Would be easy as to chuck all of your beams parts and running gear into a 4WD shell.

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Stados Beams Owners Group Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Quebec, Canada Posts: 68 Thanks: 8 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts iTrader Rating: (1/100% )	I have seen a old Camry 4x4 (like 1990 or so!) running a Beams redtop in Quebec City. But really don't know much about this car.

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Raptor13x Legendary Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Farmington Hills, MI Posts: 3,997 Thanks: 7 Thanked 44 Times in 37 Posts My Google Map iTrader Rating: (5/100% )	This question crops up about once every 3 or 4 months, and it makes me sigh every time. First of all, the alltrac trans would be backwards. Secondly, there's no good reason to make the MR2 all wheel drive.

11-03-2009, 07:24 AM	#14 (permalink)
Roman Beams OCD Support Group Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Auckland, NZ Posts: 946 Thanks: 23 Thanked 56 Times in 36 Posts My Google Map iTrader Rating: (2/100% )	Have you even bothered to read the thread at all? You'd probably sigh a little less if so.

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Roman Beams OCD Support Group Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Auckland, NZ Posts: 946 Thanks: 23 Thanked 56 Times in 36 Posts My Google Map iTrader Rating: (2/100% )	Toyspeed wont let you sign up with a 'free' email address, like hotmail etc. Basically the guy started with an AE104 sprinter sedan, which is the factory 4WD version. Honestly, not worth the effort converting a fwd to 4wd when there's already a factory car that came out that way?

11-09-2009, 04:45 PM	#20 (permalink)
RST Beams Owners Group Join Date: May 2007 Location: Inverness, Scotland Posts: 479 Thanks: 8 Thanked 25 Times in 22 Posts iTrader Rating: (1/100% )	Is this anything like the crazy German guy who's committed to building a beams turbo GT4 based on an altezza black top engine -did that ever get anywhere????? -must be a page or 2 back on the forum?? .....anyhow (unrelated) 4WD is easy driving -RWD RULES END OF. Forget a 4WD conversion, if any you should be looking at RWD!!!!!!!!!!