GUIDE: Cost effective beams swap! - Page 2

mr220v · 05-04-2007, 11:38 AM

The gearing isn't very good for the beams. The e153 is really for a motor with a bit more torque. Also, the e153 is a good bit heavier, and then you have the hub compatibility problem.

The stock s54 works well with the beams.

BTW, where did you find your motor, and where are you located?

MANDALAY · 05-07-2007, 07:08 AM

Is the b exhaust the same ? Toyota quotes different part numbers

bouncintiga · 05-07-2007, 09:49 AM

Well there's a shop about an hour north of me in Jersey that's selling one, but it's a little bit high for me right now (2200 for motor, ecu wiring harness and auto trans) There's a couple shops I contacted in the philly area that say they'll have some in the summer say june/julyish

kind of a noob question but anyone know the durability of the s54? in terms of how much power/torque it's good for. And just as a thought would cryotreating the gears help or is the metal not a good candidate for it? I'm sure nitriding would be possible.

mr220v · 05-07-2007, 10:50 AM

The s54 is used with turbos and v6's pretty commonly. The gearing the 91 s54 comes with is not very good for the V6 or turbo, but the transmission will hold up just fine.

200hp and 155lb/ft or torque is well within the s54's capabilities.

Besides, the s54 is much cheaper.

puretone · 05-07-2007, 03:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mr220v

The s54 is used with turbos and v6's pretty commonly. The gearing the 91 s54 comes with is not very good for the V6 or turbo, but the transmission will hold up just fine.

200hp and 155lb/ft or torque is well within the s54's capabilities.

Besides, the s54 is much cheaper.

true that, i had my boosted '92 5SFE running about 265HP and about 235ft/lbs for about 2.5 years with no hassle from the trans EVER! I dismantled the trans after swapping my RedTop and noticed it was in near new condition @ 48.000 miles

mr220v · 05-07-2007, 04:04 PM

The s54 is not a weak transmission. The c52 on the other hand will barely survive to 200hp.

bouncintiga · 05-08-2007, 11:01 AM

well that's good to know. As far as getting the tach to work anyone have the part number needed for the "rev counter mechanism"? I've got a usdm 91 NA mr2 if that helps.

out of curiosity, i saw the previous posts talking about itb's on the beams. anyone know how to get the adapter/how much it costs?

mr220v · 05-08-2007, 11:13 AM

msd 8920

Roman · 05-09-2007, 02:10 AM

I gave my old man a buzz regarding the tacho problem, and he got it working with an oscilliscope, and all of $2 worth of parts.

I'll have to get him to draw me a circuit diagram or something of how he did it!

da_horse · 05-09-2007, 07:38 AM

have a read of this thread, make it yourself, why pay MSD for something so basic.

http://toymods.net/forums/showthread.php?t=14404

mr220v · 05-09-2007, 11:51 AM

Very handy

rgraciano · 02-29-2008, 05:00 PM

can you not run a red top with a black top ecu?

puretone · 03-02-2008, 12:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rgraciano

can you not run a red top with a black top ecu?

dont think so...

phzoinkMKII · 03-02-2008, 12:57 PM

Would the grey top ECU work then?

da_horse · 03-02-2008, 08:31 PM

Servin · 03-03-2008, 08:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mr220v

Its been said that 2ndgen 3sge/5sfe headers will work on the 3rdgen 3sge and beams motors. So, you could potentially use that $100 ebay ssautochrome header. They also have a 4-2-1 header that is a little more expensive.

Now, all we need is a good place to get ecu's.

Really? I thought that 5S headers fit GenII 3S motors but didnt fit GenIII and Beams motor as the ports are much bigger. Also i would never put a chinese built SSACrap on my Beams there are much better headers out there like the ever impossible to find Hotshots those would be great for the beams 4-1 design with some long runners oh i agonize that i cant find a pair

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VeilsideMR2 · 03-03-2008, 08:59 PM

nice write up!

mr220v · 03-04-2008, 10:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Servin

Really? I thought that 5S headers fit GenII 3S motors but didnt fit GenIII and Beams motor as the ports are much bigger. Also i would never put a chinese built SSACrap on my Beams there are much better headers out there like the ever impossible to find Hotshots those would be great for the beams 4-1 design with some long runners oh i agonize that i cant find a pair

...

The 5s headers do not fit. I looked at substituting a 5s header early on as a cheap way to fix the exhaust fab problems, and as a substitute for the Caldina cat in header unit.

The ports don't line up, and the bolt holes are all different. Read a few posts down, you'll see where we figured this out.

Servin · 03-04-2008, 01:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mr220v

The 5s headers do not fit. I looked at substituting a 5s header early on as a cheap way to fix the exhaust fab problems, and as a substitute for the Caldina cat in header unit.

The ports don't line up, and the bolt holes are all different. Read a few posts down, you'll see where we figured this out.

Ah i see sorry i dont how i missed that.

steady · 04-09-2008, 11:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roman

You can use a 3SGTE clutch cover plate and flywheel, but you need the clutch disk from a certain type of Hilux to make it work. As the input shaft spline diameter is different between turbo and NA gearboxes.
Although of course if you're running a turbo gearbox (Which I dont reccomend) You need a clutch disc to suit an E153 gearbox.

That means a 3SGTE flywheel and clutchcoverplate will fit on the 3SGE Beams?That's awsome! So I can just buy any 3SGTE wheel and plate ... if I use a clutch disc that will fit my gearbox? I can't believe it

More opportunities..

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05-04-2007, 11:38 AM	#21 (permalink)
mr220v Beams Owners Group Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 2,529 Thanks: 13 Thanked 176 Times in 147 Posts iTrader Rating: (11/100% )	The gearing isn't very good for the beams. The e153 is really for a motor with a bit more torque. Also, the e153 is a good bit heavier, and then you have the hub compatibility problem. The stock s54 works well with the beams. BTW, where did you find your motor, and where are you located?

05-07-2007, 07:08 AM	#22 (permalink)
MANDALAY Beams Owners Group Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: victoria AUSTRALIA Posts: 4,210 Thanks: 136 Thanked 112 Times in 107 Posts My Google Map iTrader Rating: (6/100% )	Is the b exhaust the same ? Toyota quotes different part numbers

05-07-2007, 09:49 AM	#23 (permalink)
bouncintiga No Skills Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 8 Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	Well there's a shop about an hour north of me in Jersey that's selling one, but it's a little bit high for me right now (2200 for motor, ecu wiring harness and auto trans) There's a couple shops I contacted in the philly area that say they'll have some in the summer say june/julyish kind of a noob question but anyone know the durability of the s54? in terms of how much power/torque it's good for. And just as a thought would cryotreating the gears help or is the metal not a good candidate for it? I'm sure nitriding would be possible.

05-07-2007, 10:50 AM	#24 (permalink)
mr220v Beams Owners Group Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 2,529 Thanks: 13 Thanked 176 Times in 147 Posts iTrader Rating: (11/100% )	The s54 is used with turbos and v6's pretty commonly. The gearing the 91 s54 comes with is not very good for the V6 or turbo, but the transmission will hold up just fine. 200hp and 155lb/ft or torque is well within the s54's capabilities. Besides, the s54 is much cheaper.

05-07-2007, 04:04 PM	#26 (permalink)
mr220v Beams Owners Group Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 2,529 Thanks: 13 Thanked 176 Times in 147 Posts iTrader Rating: (11/100% )	The s54 is not a weak transmission. The c52 on the other hand will barely survive to 200hp.

05-08-2007, 11:01 AM	#27 (permalink)
bouncintiga No Skills Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 8 Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	well that's good to know. As far as getting the tach to work anyone have the part number needed for the "rev counter mechanism"? I've got a usdm 91 NA mr2 if that helps. out of curiosity, i saw the previous posts talking about itb's on the beams. anyone know how to get the adapter/how much it costs?

05-08-2007, 11:13 AM	#28 (permalink)
mr220v Beams Owners Group Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 2,529 Thanks: 13 Thanked 176 Times in 147 Posts iTrader Rating: (11/100% )	msd 8920

05-09-2007, 02:10 AM	#29 (permalink)
Roman Beams OCD Support Group Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Auckland, NZ Posts: 946 Thanks: 23 Thanked 56 Times in 36 Posts My Google Map iTrader Rating: (2/100% )	I gave my old man a buzz regarding the tacho problem, and he got it working with an oscilliscope, and all of $2 worth of parts. I'll have to get him to draw me a circuit diagram or something of how he did it!

05-09-2007, 07:38 AM	#30 (permalink)
da_horse Beams Owners Group Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Victoria, Australia Posts: 162 Thanks: 15 Thanked 23 Times in 20 Posts My Google Map iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	have a read of this thread, make it yourself, why pay MSD for something so basic. http://toymods.net/forums/showthread.php?t=14404

05-09-2007, 11:51 AM	#31 (permalink)
mr220v Beams Owners Group Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 2,529 Thanks: 13 Thanked 176 Times in 147 Posts iTrader Rating: (11/100% )	Very handy

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rgraciano Some Skills Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 71 Thanks: 4 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	can you not run a red top with a black top ecu?

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phzoinkMKII Now with more Triforce!!! Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: D.C Area Posts: 2,197 Thanks: 4 Thanked 76 Times in 70 Posts My Google Map iTrader Rating: (4/100% )	Would the grey top ECU work then?

03-03-2008, 08:59 PM	#37 (permalink)
VeilsideMR2 91' N/A BeAsT Join Date: May 2007 Location: Jersey/Boston Posts: 212 Thanks: 3 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	nice write up!