Valve clearance Red-top beams

kwenix · 09-01-2008, 05:12 AM

Hey all,

Found the problem with the engine, some debris has moved the timing belt 5 teeth resulting in 8 inletvalves busted, together with 8 dented valve lifters... Oh the joy of racing...

Anyway, we've sourced all the necessary parts and are currently refurbishing the head and need an urgent answer on the following question:

How much valve clearance does the BEAMS have/need? I know some of you have manuals so I hope that you can help us out... We need to have it all running and cleared before the friday so that we can finish our season...

Thanks for the help on this one!

PHOENIX · 09-01-2008, 06:22 AM

Can I ask what valves you found to work with the Beams head?

kwenix · 09-01-2008, 07:21 AM

I'm not sure what you mean with this question, but we have been able to source these through a friend who also races a beams.

Not sure where they came from, so I'm actually not really able to answer this. What I do know is that the valves are special as well, 5.5 mm valve stems and longer than normal Toyota valves....

PHOENIX · 09-01-2008, 07:49 AM

I was just curious if they were an aftermarket valve like ferrea valves and what model number you guys used.

I will see if I can't find the info you need to complete your head work.

kwenix · 09-01-2008, 10:00 AM

If I ever find out where these came from, I'll let you know, but I'm afraid that that might not happen... (you know how it is between racers)

Thanks for your help on this, it is much appreciated!

MANDALAY · 09-01-2008, 07:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kwenix

If I ever find out where these came from, I'll let you know, but I'm afraid that that might not happen... (you know how it is between racers)

Thanks for your help on this, it is much appreciated!

Thats not really fair ?
I'll scratch your back if you scratch mine.

Servin · 09-01-2008, 07:26 PM

Hey he said that his timing belt moved and caused damage to his valves. Doesn't that mean that the BEAMS is interference contary to popular belief that it isn't interference.

MANDALAY · 09-01-2008, 07:47 PM

My beleif has been as long as its stock all will be OK non interferance.
But then again it has been reported bent valves but was it a stock engine , idont know

Servin · 09-01-2008, 08:20 PM

Hmm very interesting indeed.

kwenix · 09-02-2008, 03:18 AM

The engine is stock and the non-interference thing is a myth. The inlet valves do get hit by the pistons!! Check the wiki on this subject, it even explicitly states the same... Toyota 3S-GE engine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So do check your timing belts or you'll end up with 8 crushed valve lifters (is that the correct word?) and bent valves.....

I got the data I needed after digging in the forum, but thanks for the help on this.

And Mandalay, the valves have been sourced by one of our direct competitors, and he was willing to sell these to us at a fair price... I guess that's enough backscratching, I can't expect him to tell all of his secrets...

puretone · 09-03-2008, 12:37 AM

Ferea makes valves for everything, even extraterrestrial UFO engines. The guy that flows heads around my area (freaking serious alien knowledge of the head flow business...) has told me in the passed that ferea makes pretty much any size/shape valves on the planet....

kwenix · 09-03-2008, 04:58 AM

Oh don't you just love exotic engines, yet another 1 million dollar question:

How much torque should put on the head bolts? The clearance has been guestimated and should work. When re-building the engine, can we use the torques stated for the normal 3-SGE? Or can anybody inform me of the BEAMS info on this???

Again... urgent.... HELP!

puretone · 09-03-2008, 10:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kwenix

Oh don't you just love exotic engines, yet another 1 million dollar question:

How much torque should put on the head bolts? The clearance has been guestimated and should work. When re-building the engine, can we use the torques stated for the normal 3-SGE? Or can anybody inform me of the BEAMS info on this???

Again... urgent.... HELP!

probably higher than the original 3S-GE, I agree its a pain with these exotic engines to find these things out. Are you using OEM head bolts?

MANDALAY · 09-03-2008, 11:29 PM

^ order and torque are in the manual

Celica RA45 · 09-04-2008, 02:18 AM

36 ft lbs plus 90%

kwenix · 09-04-2008, 11:21 AM

Thanks for that! I guess that that breaks down to app. 50Nm and with 90% I assume that you mean 90 degrees??

Thanks again!!

kwenix · 09-04-2008, 11:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by puretone

Are you using OEM head bolts?

Jep, we try to stick to OEM as much as possible...

(the theory being: these nice Japanese people get paid a lot to develop all this stuff, so they must be smarter than us...)

puretone · 09-04-2008, 03:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kwenix

Jep, we try to stick to OEM as much as possible...

(the theory being: these nice Japanese people get paid a lot to develop all this stuff, so they must be smarter than us...)

correction:

hese nice Japanese people get paid a lot to OVERDEVELOP all this stuff, so they must be smarter than us...

case in point, mitsubishi evo's and their tank engines that just wont blow up at 30+ psi of boost!

Servin · 09-04-2008, 03:27 PM

No the engine wont blow up but the transmssion will!

kwenix · 09-05-2008, 03:57 AM

Hey guys,

Pulled an all-nighter yesterday and she's alive! We're off to race this weekend and I hope that all works out fine. Thanks for your help in this anyways!!

I'll let you know how things went next week!

09-01-2008, 05:12 AM	#1 (permalink)
kwenix No Skills Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 16 Thanks: 5 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	Valve clearance Red-top beams Hey all, Found the problem with the engine, some debris has moved the timing belt 5 teeth resulting in 8 inletvalves busted, together with 8 dented valve lifters... Oh the joy of racing... Anyway, we've sourced all the necessary parts and are currently refurbishing the head and need an urgent answer on the following question: How much valve clearance does the BEAMS have/need? I know some of you have manuals so I hope that you can help us out... We need to have it all running and cleared before the friday so that we can finish our season... Thanks for the help on this one!

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09-01-2008, 06:22 AM	#2 (permalink)
PHOENIX Beams Owners Group Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: On Hiatus....... Posts: 7,915 Thanks: 84 Thanked 260 Times in 197 Posts Blog Entries: 1 My Google Map iTrader Rating: (46/100% )	Can I ask what valves you found to work with the Beams head?

09-01-2008, 07:21 AM	#3 (permalink)
kwenix No Skills Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 16 Thanks: 5 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	I'm not sure what you mean with this question, but we have been able to source these through a friend who also races a beams. Not sure where they came from, so I'm actually not really able to answer this. What I do know is that the valves are special as well, 5.5 mm valve stems and longer than normal Toyota valves....

09-01-2008, 07:49 AM	#4 (permalink)
PHOENIX Beams Owners Group Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: On Hiatus....... Posts: 7,915 Thanks: 84 Thanked 260 Times in 197 Posts Blog Entries: 1 My Google Map iTrader Rating: (46/100% )	I was just curious if they were an aftermarket valve like ferrea valves and what model number you guys used. I will see if I can't find the info you need to complete your head work.

09-01-2008, 10:00 AM	#5 (permalink)
kwenix No Skills Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 16 Thanks: 5 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	If I ever find out where these came from, I'll let you know, but I'm afraid that that might not happen... (you know how it is between racers) Thanks for your help on this, it is much appreciated!

09-01-2008, 07:26 PM	#7 (permalink)
Servin Beams Owners Group Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: DFW, Texas Posts: 662 Thanks: 11 Thanked 40 Times in 29 Posts My Google Map iTrader Rating: (1/100% )	Hey he said that his timing belt moved and caused damage to his valves. Doesn't that mean that the BEAMS is interference contary to popular belief that it isn't interference.

09-01-2008, 07:47 PM	#8 (permalink)
MANDALAY Beams Owners Group Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: victoria AUSTRALIA Posts: 1,837 Thanks: 88 Thanked 64 Times in 60 Posts My Google Map iTrader Rating: (4/100% )	My beleif has been as long as its stock all will be OK non interferance. But then again it has been reported bent valves but was it a stock engine , idont know

09-01-2008, 08:20 PM	#9 (permalink)
Servin Beams Owners Group Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: DFW, Texas Posts: 662 Thanks: 11 Thanked 40 Times in 29 Posts My Google Map iTrader Rating: (1/100% )	Hmm very interesting indeed.

09-02-2008, 03:18 AM	#10 (permalink)
kwenix No Skills Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 16 Thanks: 5 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	The engine is stock and the non-interference thing is a myth. The inlet valves do get hit by the pistons!! Check the wiki on this subject, it even explicitly states the same... Toyota 3S-GE engine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia So do check your timing belts or you'll end up with 8 crushed valve lifters (is that the correct word?) and bent valves..... I got the data I needed after digging in the forum, but thanks for the help on this. And Mandalay, the valves have been sourced by one of our direct competitors, and he was willing to sell these to us at a fair price... I guess that's enough backscratching, I can't expect him to tell all of his secrets...

09-03-2008, 12:37 AM	#11 (permalink)
puretone Beams Owners Group Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Aruba, #1 BEAMS Engine on the Island Posts: 1,370 Thanks: 24 Thanked 46 Times in 45 Posts My Google Map iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	Ferea makes valves for everything, even extraterrestrial UFO engines. The guy that flows heads around my area (freaking serious alien knowledge of the head flow business...) has told me in the passed that ferea makes pretty much any size/shape valves on the planet....

09-03-2008, 04:58 AM	#12 (permalink)
kwenix No Skills Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 16 Thanks: 5 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	Oh don't you just love exotic engines, yet another 1 million dollar question: How much torque should put on the head bolts? The clearance has been guestimated and should work. When re-building the engine, can we use the torques stated for the normal 3-SGE? Or can anybody inform me of the BEAMS info on this??? Again... urgent.... HELP!

09-03-2008, 11:29 PM	#14 (permalink)
MANDALAY Beams Owners Group Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: victoria AUSTRALIA Posts: 1,837 Thanks: 88 Thanked 64 Times in 60 Posts My Google Map iTrader Rating: (4/100% )	^ order and torque are in the manual

09-04-2008, 02:18 AM	#15 (permalink)
Celica RA45 Beams Owners Group Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: sunny australia Posts: 337 Thanks: 0 Thanked 33 Times in 30 Posts My Google Map iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	36 ft lbs plus 90%

09-04-2008, 11:21 AM	#16 (permalink)
kwenix No Skills Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 16 Thanks: 5 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	Thanks for that! I guess that that breaks down to app. 50Nm and with 90% I assume that you mean 90 degrees?? Thanks again!!

09-04-2008, 03:27 PM	#19 (permalink)
Servin Beams Owners Group Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: DFW, Texas Posts: 662 Thanks: 11 Thanked 40 Times in 29 Posts My Google Map iTrader Rating: (1/100% )	No the engine wont blow up but the transmssion will!

09-05-2008, 03:57 AM	#20 (permalink)
kwenix No Skills Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 16 Thanks: 5 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	Hey guys, Pulled an all-nighter yesterday and she's alive! We're off to race this weekend and I hope that all works out fine. Thanks for your help in this anyways!! I'll let you know how things went next week!