Hello from Vienna

[da_horse]

celica RA45 funnily enough has a beams in his RA45. ie an old school RWD celica. hence the altezza motor fits in fine, and so do the others as its just a matter of transferring over the rwd components.

and yes the engine is still in there and goes fine as evidenced by its recent outing on Tuesday at a local track.

[the1]

Originally Posted by da_horse

celica RA45 funnily enough has a beams in his RA45. ie an old school RWD celica. hence the altezza motor fits in fine, and so do the others as its just a matter of transferring over the rwd components.

and yes the engine is still in there and goes fine as evidenced by its recent outing on Tuesday at a local track.

Did not it RWD celicas there

Can you help me with my questions and help

Can a blacktop head on a redtop block set?

Did have the Redtop and Blacktop the same pistons, connecting rods, crankshaft,.....

Work the inlet and outlet VVT-i in Blacktop sync?

How much power hold the beams block ? Keep it 2bar boost from ?

[da_horse]

No i can't help you. if i knew the answers i would have told you already.

[puretone]

redtop head ONLY fits on redtop/greytop engine block.
blacktop head ONLY fits on blacktop engine block.
Pistons are the same pretty much, blacktop pistons are higher compression, so they will NOT work in redtop if I remember correctly.
The easiest thing to do is either stick to full retop or full blacktop, do NOT mix the two.
There is no engine block that is *safe* with 2 BAR boost, if it is not meant to be a turbo engine. Get ductile iron sleeves from Darton or something. Since what you are doing is going to cost ALOT of $$$$, I guess it makes no difference to you, so yes build the engine block to perfection.
I do not think the single/dual VVTi of either redtop or blacktop will help with making more power for turbo applications....it is only zu rühmen und sind kühl für Ihre blitzkrieg LOL

why not get a Celica GT4 WRC engine instead?????

[MANDALAY]

Im finding it hard to understand why ?

[puretone]

Originally Posted by MANDALAY

Im finding it hard to understand why ?

that ST215 one...or some WRC Cup engine....lol if price is no option

[Servin]

Originally Posted by puretone

redtop head ONLY fits on redtop/greytop engine block.
blacktop head ONLY fits on blacktop engine block.
Pistons are the same pretty much, blacktop pistons are higher compression, so they will NOT work in redtop if I remember correctly.
The easiest thing to do is either stick to full retop or full blacktop, do NOT mix the two.
There is no engine block that is *safe* with 2 BAR boost, if it is not meant to be a turbo engine. Get ductile iron sleeves from Darton or something. Since what you are doing is going to cost ALOT of $$$$, I guess it makes no difference to you, so yes build the engine block to perfection.
I do not think the single/dual VVTi of either redtop or blacktop will help with making more power for turbo applications....it is only zu rühmen und sind kühl für Ihre blitzkrieg LOL

why not get a Celica GT4 WRC engine instead?????

Im pretty sure the Blacktop and Redtop can interchange the blocks. The blocks are almost identical, the heads are really the only difference.

[puretone]

Originally Posted by Servin

Im pretty sure the Blacktop and Redtop can interchange the blocks. The blocks are almost identical, the heads are really the only difference.

judging from how the oil pans totally do not interchange would suggest that the blocks are different, if I am not mistaken the oil passages to the head are also different....

[Edophus]

Blacktop head is the same casting as red top but with more machining work done for the dual vvti, i dont think there is any difference in the oil passage between head and block.

there is a good thread on a uk gt-four forum where someone compares all the 3s blocks including the motorsport block and the beams is the same as the motorsport block, supposedly stronger than the st205 and st185 turbo blocks. Just the block though, not the pistons etc.

also there is some techincal documentation regarding the 1jz-gte engine and how when they added vvti to it they could change from twin to single turbo and gain low end torque, so there is some advantage to it.

[puretone]

Originally Posted by Edophus

Blacktop head is the same casting as red top but with more machining work done for the dual vvti, i dont think there is any difference in the oil passage between head and block.

there is a good thread on a uk gt-four forum where someone compares all the 3s blocks including the motorsport block and the beams is the same as the motorsport block, supposedly stronger than the st205 and st185 turbo blocks. Just the block though, not the pistons etc.

also there is some techincal documentation regarding the 1jz-gte engine and how when they added vvti to it they could change from twin to single turbo and gain low end torque, so there is some advantage to it.

I thought somebody on this forum even said it couldn't be done, RA45 maybe? There was something up with it because of the 2nd VVTi. I read on toysport as well about the blocks, supposedly we have under piston sprayers as well????? And yeah def a little bit stronger block, but does you no good if the sleeves go ape sh*t..... I just don't get the idea of swapping heads between blocks, wouldn't that just cost waaaay more for no reason?
The JDM 2JZ comes with VVTi.....the 1JZ went into the Chaser till 2000 so it figures it had VVTi onboard already...many toyota engines did from 1997 on up.

[the1]

Originally Posted by Edophus

Blacktop head is the same casting as red top but with more machining work done for the dual vvti, i dont think there is any difference in the oil passage between head and block.

there is a good thread on a uk gt-four forum where someone compares all the 3s blocks including the motorsport block and the beams is the same as the motorsport block, supposedly stronger than the st205 and st185 turbo blocks. Just the block though, not the pistons etc.

also there is some techincal documentation regarding the 1jz-gte engine and how when they added vvti to it they could change from twin to single turbo and gain low end torque, so there is some advantage to it.

Thank you, that was the most positive response I have received until now

Do you have the link for me from the Forum?

What do you think of the brand Toda Racing?
What tuning can you recommend brands for the Blacktop?

[Edophus]

I'll have a look for it when i'm at home.

If your set on using a blacktop beams then you will need to modify the block around the rear engine mount. It has two extra holes here that are not present on the turbo block, this is to make way for the transfer case, so will need ground off.

You will need to use a redtop sump and water outlet, and inlet manifold

Also the engine mount at the timing belt side will interfere with the vvti controller on the exhuast side of the engine so you'd need a custom mount there.

As for Toda i cant say, Celica_ra45 uses there parts and modify's them and he wasnt that kind about there consistency. I would buy any parts through him he can supply forged pistons etc

I think this would be a very expensive and complex project so i hope you have LOADS of money.

[the1]

Super thanks for the Infos.

Yes I already thought the Toda is the best choice. If I would have been rebuilt my 3S-GTE, it would only come JUN into, so the prices discourage me from Toda not. Already inquired at RHD everything, but now I must continue to take care of my cage

The car should not bend in the performance

[the1]

Originally Posted by Edophus

I'll have a look for it when i'm at home.

have you checked

[the1]

Edophus have you checked the Link