Hello from Vienna

the1 · 10-15-2008, 11:17 AM

Hello Guys,

My name is Mark and I live in Austria Europe.
My English is not exactly the best and most I translated with the help of a program. So do not be surprised if there was not true in my records ....
I have a GT4 ST205 since 01.04.08.
Exactly 6 months later I started my car to restore.

Here are the project

I would also like in about 1-2 years my engine rebuild. With some details now I'm on the beams engine and came to this page. I have come to me in the forum but informs us, there is unfortunately no such information and all advise me of the project. But the beams fascinated me with VVT-i.

Now is my question to you, what do I need the black beams in the Celica to plant. Goes via plug and play?
Are there any other institution that I do like the Celica ST202 SS3?
How is that with the alternator must be staggered?
Please give me all the info you gave thanks.
Yes on the beam, then still a turbo, individual throttle, Motec ,.....

Everett · 10-15-2008, 11:46 AM

Welcome to the Board Mark! There is a nice group of BEAMS owners here on the board that would lend much help to you.

the1 · 10-30-2008, 05:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Everett

Welcome to the Board Mark! There is a nice group of BEAMS owners here on the board that would lend much help to you.

Thanke you Everett, yes I think so

One question which immediately turn my project could fail.
What material is the Beams Black Block?

MANDALAY · 10-30-2008, 10:07 AM

Block is metal not alloy. Get a RedTop or Grey Top. But hold on a second isnt a gt4 turbo ?
Never seen anyone going back to a N/A then wanting to turbo it ?
My 2 cents leave it as it is

the1 · 10-30-2008, 10:39 AM

O.k. Thank you.
I understand you correctly, a black beams is not the best choice with a turbo?
How much power does the block hold?

My programming wanted to know whether the block is made of aluminum? Because it can cause problems like the Subaru with a bit more power

Servin · 10-30-2008, 03:59 PM

No the Black Beams in the Celica wont fit to start with. You want the Red BEAMS in your Celica. The block is not aluminum it is cast iron or steel I don't remember. It should be fine for turbo. Though it would be easier to go with a generation 4 Caldina 3SGTE in your GT4 Celica.

MANDALAY · 10-30-2008, 06:12 PM

^ good call. Last of the Turbos , idividual coils and inlet like the Beams. Hey has you seen any literature power figures for that engine

the1 · 10-31-2008, 07:54 AM

yes, I already know the Black is not so easy fit, but a friend in Germany just builds in a the Celica T18 and I am working with very closely together.
My great advantage is my car with a friend and have their own rally team and they are very successful in Austria.

If you are interested in here is my project with many pictures
Yes, the Celica will be completely disassembled, sandblasted, galvanized, newly painted and completely rebuilt as a rally car. But do not worry it is only for the road show and purposes built. The project is still 2-3 years because everything needs to be perfect. Yes what does not fit is made to fit.

VVT-i, Turbo, MoTec, 4WD what more could you want

I only have this info about the engine:

Video

VVT-i

Dual VVT-i

Description
wikipedia
Beams Red HP

Forum

EPC

Edophus · 10-31-2008, 08:31 AM

the exhaust cam vvti controller on the blacktop hits the engine mount in the t20 chassis, but i have a feeling it may fit in a t18 chassis as they use a different engine mount there, i wonder if the engine mounts are interchangable.

Servin · 10-31-2008, 11:46 AM

You know I just realized that his car is AWD. So he is planning on making a AWD turbo BEAMS! That is awesome but with the blacktop it will be hard to find a transaxle to work with AWD. The Red Top will be a much better choice as it fits from facorty and can mate to the GT4 transmission.

assassin10000 · 10-31-2008, 02:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Servin

but with the blacktop it will be hard to find a transaxle to work with AWD.

Wha?

It's a 3sg block. The transaxle 'should' mount right up. AFAIK celica_ra45 has used both redtop & blacktop blocks in his rwd celica....

I see no issues with what your talking about here. All the differences between the two blocks are internal or up at the cyl head. (

Atleast, that's my semi-educated guess.)

Andrew

Servin · 10-31-2008, 02:53 PM

So the J160 tranny the black top uses has the same bolt pattern as the S54/E153? I didnt know that.

RST · 10-31-2008, 03:57 PM

Wait a minute -can I ask a silly question please?

You have a 205 GT4 and you're considering putting in a BEAMS. Then looking at turboing it?

I've got a JDM 205 GT4 and a BEAMS engine in my SW20 and I wouldn't like the BEAMS in the GT4 with 4 wheel drive. It would make much more sense to tune the rev 3 3S GTE already in the GT4 -for the same money you'd probably have twice the power. I have wondered what the 205 would be like with the 3SGTE in rwd only though.

..sorry if I've picked up the situation wrong. It looks like you have to be a member to see your car on the link by the way.

puretone · 11-02-2008, 05:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the1

Yes, the Celica will be completely disassembled, sandblasted, galvanized, newly painted and completely rebuilt as a rally car. But do not worry it is only for the road show and purposes built. The project is still 2-3 years because everything needs to be perfect. Yes what does not fit is made to fit.

VVT-i, Turbo, MoTec, 4WD what more could you want

You sir have too much money!

Why not stick with a ST215 engine? I don't think it's gonna do anything else for you really.....It's pretty badass engine in its own right....why use a BEAMS if not to drive it? Why not just buy the BEAMS engine's head, for which ever one, Black, Red, Grey....and bolt it down to the 3SGTE engine block....if you're never gonna drive it then what is the point to have a working engine?

puretone · 11-02-2008, 05:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the1

Now is my question to you, what do I need the black beams in the Celica to plant. Goes via plug and play?

LOL OF THE CENTURY!!!!

plug and play?! HAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!

the1 · 11-04-2008, 07:52 AM

Sun still quite from the beginning ......

I have with me in the forum also heard several times why I do and not just the current Gen3 3S-GTE block new construction.
Yes, I thought to myself, the dual VVT-i makes a much better regular characteristics from the engine, because the newest generation of 3S-GE engine, the best basis for such a project.

If the beams with VVT-i better than the 3S-GE without VVT-i?

What I know I can not block my current beams with a header put together, because as a hole for the VVT-i missing?

puretone · 11-04-2008, 08:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the1

Sun still quite from the beginning ......

I have with me in the forum also heard several times why I do and not just the current Gen3 3S-GTE block new construction.
Yes, I thought to myself, the dual VVT-i makes a much better regular characteristics from the engine, because the newest generation of 3S-GE engine, the best basis for such a project.

If the beams with VVT-i better than the 3S-GE without VVT-i?

What I know I can not block my current beams with a header put together, because as a hole for the VVT-i missing?

I do not understand one thing you said right there......

the1 · 11-04-2008, 10:38 AM

My friends with the ST205 also have wondered why I did not present the 3S-GTE block leave it so.

But I am assured them that a 3S-GE beams with dual VVT-i better control characteristics has.

Now a question for you is the beams with VVT.-i better than the 3S-GE without VVT-i ?
What is the advantage ?

What I know I can not take the 3S-GTE block with the beams header put together, because as a hole for the VVT-i missing?

Now comprehensible

da_horse · 11-04-2008, 05:48 PM

yes you can't use 3s-gte block with 3s-ge head.
the corolla rally s2000 doesnt run vvti, but that said i'm sure they have done a lot more work to warrant that.

Dual vvti (blacktop rwd Beams) is a great engine but certainly not something that will really fit in your car. you're better off getting a fwd based beams, ie the redtop or greytop. thats if your keeping the current 4wd configuration.

If you are converting the car to rwd then by all means go with the altezza motor and box.

hope this helps.

the1 · 11-05-2008, 09:23 AM

Yes it is not easy, I thought I already ....

So I reserve the 4WD

Can a blacktop head on a redtop block set?

Did have the Redtop and Blacktop the same pistons, connecting rods, crankshaft,.....

Work the inlet and outlet VVT-i in Blacktop sync?

How much power hold the beams block ? Keep it 2bar boost from ?

@Celica RA45

"AFAIK celica_ra45 has used both redtop & blacktop blocks in his rwd celica...."

Did you really already have a Blacktop incorporated into your Celica?

10-15-2008, 11:17 AM	#1 (permalink)
the1 No Skills Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Austria Posts: 28 Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	Hello from Vienna Hello Guys, My name is Mark and I live in Austria Europe. My English is not exactly the best and most I translated with the help of a program. So do not be surprised if there was not true in my records .... I have a GT4 ST205 since 01.04.08. Exactly 6 months later I started my car to restore. Here are the project I would also like in about 1-2 years my engine rebuild. With some details now I'm on the beams engine and came to this page. I have come to me in the forum but informs us, there is unfortunately no such information and all advise me of the project. But the beams fascinated me with VVT-i. Now is my question to you, what do I need the black beams in the Celica to plant. Goes via plug and play? Are there any other institution that I do like the Celica ST202 SS3? How is that with the alternator must be staggered? Please give me all the info you gave thanks. Yes on the beam, then still a turbo, individual throttle, Motec ,.....

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10-15-2008, 11:46 AM	#2 (permalink)
Everett Lovin' the curves! Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Decatur,IL/Solomons,MD Posts: 1,422 Thanks: 42 Thanked 59 Times in 55 Posts My Google Map iTrader Rating: (7/100% )	Welcome to the Board Mark! There is a nice group of BEAMS owners here on the board that would lend much help to you.

10-30-2008, 10:07 AM	#4 (permalink)
MANDALAY Beams Owners Group Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: victoria AUSTRALIA Posts: 1,830 Thanks: 88 Thanked 64 Times in 60 Posts My Google Map iTrader Rating: (4/100% )	Block is metal not alloy. Get a RedTop or Grey Top. But hold on a second isnt a gt4 turbo ? Never seen anyone going back to a N/A then wanting to turbo it ? My 2 cents leave it as it is

10-30-2008, 10:39 AM	#5 (permalink)
the1 No Skills Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Austria Posts: 28 Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	O.k. Thank you. I understand you correctly, a black beams is not the best choice with a turbo? How much power does the block hold? My programming wanted to know whether the block is made of aluminum? Because it can cause problems like the Subaru with a bit more power

10-30-2008, 03:59 PM	#6 (permalink)
Servin Beams Owners Group Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: DFW, Texas Posts: 660 Thanks: 11 Thanked 40 Times in 29 Posts My Google Map iTrader Rating: (1/100% )	No the Black Beams in the Celica wont fit to start with. You want the Red BEAMS in your Celica. The block is not aluminum it is cast iron or steel I don't remember. It should be fine for turbo. Though it would be easier to go with a generation 4 Caldina 3SGTE in your GT4 Celica.

10-30-2008, 06:12 PM	#7 (permalink)
MANDALAY Beams Owners Group Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: victoria AUSTRALIA Posts: 1,830 Thanks: 88 Thanked 64 Times in 60 Posts My Google Map iTrader Rating: (4/100% )	^ good call. Last of the Turbos , idividual coils and inlet like the Beams. Hey has you seen any literature power figures for that engine

10-31-2008, 08:31 AM	#9 (permalink)
Edophus Beams Owners Group Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 275 Thanks: 7 Thanked 13 Times in 12 Posts iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	the exhaust cam vvti controller on the blacktop hits the engine mount in the t20 chassis, but i have a feeling it may fit in a t18 chassis as they use a different engine mount there, i wonder if the engine mounts are interchangable.

10-31-2008, 11:46 AM	#10 (permalink)
Servin Beams Owners Group Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: DFW, Texas Posts: 660 Thanks: 11 Thanked 40 Times in 29 Posts My Google Map iTrader Rating: (1/100% )	You know I just realized that his car is AWD. So he is planning on making a AWD turbo BEAMS! That is awesome but with the blacktop it will be hard to find a transaxle to work with AWD. The Red Top will be a much better choice as it fits from facorty and can mate to the GT4 transmission.

10-31-2008, 02:53 PM	#12 (permalink)
Servin Beams Owners Group Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: DFW, Texas Posts: 660 Thanks: 11 Thanked 40 Times in 29 Posts My Google Map iTrader Rating: (1/100% )	So the J160 tranny the black top uses has the same bolt pattern as the S54/E153? I didnt know that.

10-31-2008, 03:57 PM	#13 (permalink)
RST Beams Owners Group Join Date: May 2007 Location: Inverness, Scotland Posts: 401 Thanks: 8 Thanked 22 Times in 19 Posts iTrader Rating: (1/100% )	Wait a minute -can I ask a silly question please? You have a 205 GT4 and you're considering putting in a BEAMS. Then looking at turboing it? I've got a JDM 205 GT4 and a BEAMS engine in my SW20 and I wouldn't like the BEAMS in the GT4 with 4 wheel drive. It would make much more sense to tune the rev 3 3S GTE already in the GT4 -for the same money you'd probably have twice the power. I have wondered what the 205 would be like with the 3SGTE in rwd only though. ..sorry if I've picked up the situation wrong. It looks like you have to be a member to see your car on the link by the way.

11-04-2008, 07:52 AM	#16 (permalink)
the1 No Skills Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Austria Posts: 28 Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	Sun still quite from the beginning ...... I have with me in the forum also heard several times why I do and not just the current Gen3 3S-GTE block new construction. Yes, I thought to myself, the dual VVT-i makes a much better regular characteristics from the engine, because the newest generation of 3S-GE engine, the best basis for such a project. If the beams with VVT-i better than the 3S-GE without VVT-i? What I know I can not block my current beams with a header put together, because as a hole for the VVT-i missing?

11-04-2008, 10:38 AM	#18 (permalink)
the1 No Skills Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Austria Posts: 28 Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	My friends with the ST205 also have wondered why I did not present the 3S-GTE block leave it so. But I am assured them that a 3S-GE beams with dual VVT-i better control characteristics has. Now a question for you is the beams with VVT.-i better than the 3S-GE without VVT-i ? What is the advantage ? What I know I can not take the 3S-GTE block with the beams header put together, because as a hole for the VVT-i missing? Now comprehensible

11-04-2008, 05:48 PM	#19 (permalink)
da_horse Beams Owners Group Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Victoria, Australia Posts: 137 Thanks: 14 Thanked 22 Times in 19 Posts My Google Map iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	yes you can't use 3s-gte block with 3s-ge head. the corolla rally s2000 doesnt run vvti, but that said i'm sure they have done a lot more work to warrant that. Dual vvti (blacktop rwd Beams) is a great engine but certainly not something that will really fit in your car. you're better off getting a fwd based beams, ie the redtop or greytop. thats if your keeping the current 4wd configuration. If you are converting the car to rwd then by all means go with the altezza motor and box. hope this helps.

11-05-2008, 09:23 AM	#20 (permalink)
the1 No Skills Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Austria Posts: 28 Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	Yes it is not easy, I thought I already .... So I reserve the 4WD Can a blacktop head on a redtop block set? Did have the Redtop and Blacktop the same pistons, connecting rods, crankshaft,..... Work the inlet and outlet VVT-i in Blacktop sync? How much power hold the beams block ? Keep it 2bar boost from ? @Celica RA45 "AFAIK celica_ra45 has used both redtop & blacktop blocks in his rwd celica...." Did you really already have a Blacktop incorporated into your Celica?