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Roman · 03-01-2009, 01:11 AM

3 of my coilpacks are dead.

Can you use 1ZZFE ones?

Or does anyone else know if there are some other ones which would also work?

Altezza 3S coils look to be a little different, possibly too tall to fit under the redtop engine cover?

This sucks.

pasqual · 03-01-2009, 03:52 AM

according EPC:

redtop coils are 90919-02227 , and used on mr2,celica beams , caldina , rav4 , means all beams engines redtop and silvertop

1zz-fe and 2zz-ge have coils 90919-02239 used olny on those engines ,

altezza 90919-02236

1zz-fe should work , question is about fiting....

Celica RA45 · 03-01-2009, 04:07 AM

dave use the early altezza 1s as from 02 they changed to a different part no and not sure if dwell is the same etc

Roman · 03-01-2009, 05:11 AM

According to a reliable source, caldina 3SGTE coilpacks will do the trick... They're the most common option by far!

Well Altezzas with 3Ss are more common here, but not the same part number so maybe slightly different.

MANDALAY · 03-01-2009, 09:04 AM

Super RARE Keith

puretone · 03-01-2009, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by MANDALAY

Super RARE Keith

LOL!!!

Hey I have some spares from 1ZZ-FE/2ZZ-GE Corolla's, they work just the same....might be dwell time that's different as posted....What I noticed was the bolt hole is slightly different for location & the actual four-ping plug is turned upwards, instead of just regular 90 degree angle ours are. I think they length was no different.

Roman · 03-01-2009, 06:02 PM

Looks like I've got it sorted, with some 3SGTE ones.

That's interesting about 1zz coils, can you fit the engine cover on with the plug being differently angled, or nah?

puretone · 03-01-2009, 06:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roman

Looks like I've got it sorted, with some 3SGTE ones.

That's interesting about 1zz coils, can you fit the engine cover on with the plug being differently angled, or nah?

I didn't screw the cover back on with all screws, just placed it on top, seems it would be snug, the cover comes down but the insulation on the inside of the cover seems to squash onto the wiring-plugs a bit. The engine started without any hick-ups, with a mixed set of OEM BEAMS plugs & Corolla plugs.....I should mention I was using back then & still use the resistor-less spark-plugs from NGK, they are NGK R5671A-8 stock no #4554

Servin · 03-01-2009, 10:08 PM

1ZZ coils work that what they used to make the 1zz Power FC work. Dropped right in and plugged in!

Roman · 03-01-2009, 10:27 PM

Yeah, but why did they need to change to them, instead of using normal ones?

That's what makes me wonder if there's a difference, I think it's something to do with how the return signal works?

Servin · 03-01-2009, 10:33 PM

Nothing they plugged write into the clips and into the motor. Direct plug and play no difference mechanically. TPS is the same aswell.

puretone · 03-01-2009, 11:56 PM

yeah I bet it's dwell time.....or perhaps just an update to the internals of the coils, possibly cheaper manufacturing process.....I can only imagine Denso doing that as such & thus providing a different part number....

Roman · 03-02-2009, 01:13 AM

Yeah if I recall the beams coils didnt work properly with the 1zzfe powerfc, so I'm wondering if the 1zzfe coils will give the right return signal to the standard beams ecu.

I might find out some time soon, got a mate with a 1zzfe that's been sitting in his garage for the last year or so, will see if I can go pinch the coils

Roman · 03-03-2009, 02:25 PM

Well 1ZZ coils dont appear to work with the standard ECU.

They'll each fire once, but then since (presumably) the return signal to the ECU is different to what is expected, it doesnt fire them again...

Oh well, having 4 bangs in a row is still good progress.

puretone · 03-03-2009, 07:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roman

Well 1ZZ coils dont appear to work with the standard ECU.

They'll each fire once, but then since (presumably) the return signal to the ECU is different to what is expected, it doesnt fire them again...

Oh well, having 4 bangs in a row is still good progress.

LOL!

must be dwell time! Mebbe mine are one of those other part #'s on them that presumable are closer in design to the BEAMS OEM ones

Roman · 03-03-2009, 08:07 PM

What does dwell time mean?

And also, did your ones work with standard beams ecu?

or just with the powerfc?

puretone · 03-03-2009, 11:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roman

What does dwell time mean?

And also, did your ones work with standard beams ecu?

or just with the powerfc?

Standard BEAMS ECU worked just fine. I am pretty confident that it's the model COP's that I used, I will have to look and verify what the numbers are. I know that the 1ZZ & 2ZZ got different ECU all of a sudden, I think it was in the 2nd year of their production run....I think with the 2ZZ Celica's the engine redline was lowered too....perhaps for the oil-pump-annihilation issue....perhaps as well for the different COP's

The dwell time is the amount of time the ignition coil/COP primary has current running through it. So the "IMMA CHARGIN MAH LAZER" period of time before it unloads it's energy & "SHOOPS DA WHOOP"
IMMA CHARGIN MAH LAZER - Encyclopedia Dramatica <---Legend!

Google Physics. yeay.

Roman · 03-04-2009, 01:49 AM

Aahh okay, interesting.

I guess it's possible that I've got other problems then...

puretone · 03-04-2009, 02:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roman

Aahh okay, interesting.

I guess it's possible that I've got other problems then...

yeah it would be REALLY AWESOME if we could get the specs from Toyota or Denso.... *SIGH*

Edophus · 03-04-2009, 08:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roman

Well 1ZZ coils dont appear to work with the standard ECU.

They'll each fire once, but then since (presumably) the return signal to the ECU is different to what is expected, it doesnt fire them again...

Oh well, having 4 bangs in a row is still good progress.

thats what should happen, the wiring for return signal is different between 1zz and 3s beams, on the 1zz the 4 return wires splice together and go into one input on the ecu, the beams has a seperate return for each coil going to the ecu.

Firing them up it'll work intially then because the ecu cant match the return signal to the firing of the coils it kills ignition after a couple cycles.

thats from the power-fc point of view, 1zz coils could be ok when using the stock ecu and wiring etc cause its still getting all 4 inputs, i guess it'll depend on the coils themselves, i'd go try it for you but i just pulled my redtop beams out of the celica two days ago.

Nice to see i've upgraded to the elusive and mysterious "they" though

03-01-2009, 01:11 AM	#1 (permalink)
Roman Beams OCD Support Group Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Auckland, NZ Posts: 711 Thanks: 23 Thanked 49 Times in 30 Posts My Google Map iTrader Rating: (2/100% )	Bugger 3 of my coilpacks are dead. Can you use 1ZZFE ones? Or does anyone else know if there are some other ones which would also work? Altezza 3S coils look to be a little different, possibly too tall to fit under the redtop engine cover? This sucks.

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pasqual Beams Owners Group Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: BRNO/CZ Posts: 125 Thanks: 4 Thanked 10 Times in 9 Posts iTrader Rating: (1/100% )	according EPC: redtop coils are 90919-02227 , and used on mr2,celica beams , caldina , rav4 , means all beams engines redtop and silvertop 1zz-fe and 2zz-ge have coils 90919-02239 used olny on those engines , altezza 90919-02236 1zz-fe should work , question is about fiting.... Last edited by pasqual; 03-01-2009 at 03:57 AM.

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Roman Beams OCD Support Group Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Auckland, NZ Posts: 711 Thanks: 23 Thanked 49 Times in 30 Posts My Google Map iTrader Rating: (2/100% )	What does dwell time mean? And also, did your ones work with standard beams ecu? or just with the powerfc? Last edited by Roman; 03-03-2009 at 08:14 PM.

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03-01-2009, 04:07 AM	#3 (permalink)
Celica RA45 Beams Owners Group Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: sunny australia Posts: 337 Thanks: 0 Thanked 33 Times in 30 Posts My Google Map iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	dave use the early altezza 1s as from 02 they changed to a different part no and not sure if dwell is the same etc

03-01-2009, 05:11 AM	#4 (permalink)
Roman Beams OCD Support Group Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Auckland, NZ Posts: 711 Thanks: 23 Thanked 49 Times in 30 Posts My Google Map iTrader Rating: (2/100% )	According to a reliable source, caldina 3SGTE coilpacks will do the trick... They're the most common option by far! Well Altezzas with 3Ss are more common here, but not the same part number so maybe slightly different.

03-01-2009, 09:04 AM	#5 (permalink)
MANDALAY Beams Owners Group Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: victoria AUSTRALIA Posts: 1,830 Thanks: 88 Thanked 64 Times in 60 Posts My Google Map iTrader Rating: (4/100% )	Super RARE Keith

03-01-2009, 06:02 PM	#7 (permalink)
Roman Beams OCD Support Group Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Auckland, NZ Posts: 711 Thanks: 23 Thanked 49 Times in 30 Posts My Google Map iTrader Rating: (2/100% )	Looks like I've got it sorted, with some 3SGTE ones. That's interesting about 1zz coils, can you fit the engine cover on with the plug being differently angled, or nah?

03-01-2009, 10:08 PM	#9 (permalink)
Servin Beams Owners Group Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: DFW, Texas Posts: 660 Thanks: 11 Thanked 40 Times in 29 Posts My Google Map iTrader Rating: (1/100% )	1ZZ coils work that what they used to make the 1zz Power FC work. Dropped right in and plugged in!

03-01-2009, 10:27 PM	#10 (permalink)
Roman Beams OCD Support Group Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Auckland, NZ Posts: 711 Thanks: 23 Thanked 49 Times in 30 Posts My Google Map iTrader Rating: (2/100% )	Yeah, but why did they need to change to them, instead of using normal ones? That's what makes me wonder if there's a difference, I think it's something to do with how the return signal works?

03-01-2009, 10:33 PM	#11 (permalink)
Servin Beams Owners Group Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: DFW, Texas Posts: 660 Thanks: 11 Thanked 40 Times in 29 Posts My Google Map iTrader Rating: (1/100% )	Nothing they plugged write into the clips and into the motor. Direct plug and play no difference mechanically. TPS is the same aswell.

03-01-2009, 11:56 PM	#12 (permalink)
puretone Beams Owners Group Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Aruba, #1 BEAMS Engine on the Island Posts: 1,352 Thanks: 24 Thanked 46 Times in 45 Posts My Google Map iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	yeah I bet it's dwell time.....or perhaps just an update to the internals of the coils, possibly cheaper manufacturing process.....I can only imagine Denso doing that as such & thus providing a different part number....

03-02-2009, 01:13 AM	#13 (permalink)
Roman Beams OCD Support Group Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Auckland, NZ Posts: 711 Thanks: 23 Thanked 49 Times in 30 Posts My Google Map iTrader Rating: (2/100% )	Yeah if I recall the beams coils didnt work properly with the 1zzfe powerfc, so I'm wondering if the 1zzfe coils will give the right return signal to the standard beams ecu. I might find out some time soon, got a mate with a 1zzfe that's been sitting in his garage for the last year or so, will see if I can go pinch the coils

03-03-2009, 02:25 PM	#14 (permalink)
Roman Beams OCD Support Group Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Auckland, NZ Posts: 711 Thanks: 23 Thanked 49 Times in 30 Posts My Google Map iTrader Rating: (2/100% )	Well 1ZZ coils dont appear to work with the standard ECU. They'll each fire once, but then since (presumably) the return signal to the ECU is different to what is expected, it doesnt fire them again... Oh well, having 4 bangs in a row is still good progress.

03-04-2009, 01:49 AM	#18 (permalink)
Roman Beams OCD Support Group Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Auckland, NZ Posts: 711 Thanks: 23 Thanked 49 Times in 30 Posts My Google Map iTrader Rating: (2/100% )	Aahh okay, interesting. I guess it's possible that I've got other problems then...