beams redtop turbo

[oldsoul45]

I am about to go ahead with a project of turbo-ing a red top beams

setup is planed as a low boost install using a TD05 turbo unit,custom manifold and down pipe,internal waste gate,small inter cooler front mounted(Celica Gen)Sard induction,using standard fueling and internals,the engine is very Strong and only covered 70 kilometers.comes with LSD and c-one flywheel.aim to get 240bhp...anything i need to look out for

[DCKilla]

Murphy's Law

[MANDALAY]

Read my SC thread ive vertually covered it all , SC , TURBO same thing
Things to watch
ECU
FUEL PUMP
INJECTORS
VENTING ( CRANK )

[pasqual]

buy caldina 3s-gte .... 260 hp from stock ....

if you dont go SC what for use red-top , doors are already open .....

[MANDALAY]

I choose the SC so as to not loose the appeal of the Beams. As such all the Rotrex converted owners of MK3's say the engine behave the same only that it feels like a 4 litre engine. The SC is gradual increase unlike the mad limited rush of a turbo. Personally if you want a turbo would have gone for a stock 3sgte.
But if it pleases you cool just read all the threads associated with turboing a stock engine and you have everything. All the stocks i have read have blown up for one reason or another

[puretone]

Originally Posted by oldsoul45

I am about to go ahead with a project of turbo-ing a red top beams

setup is planed as a low boost install using a TD05 turbo unit,custom manifold and down pipe,internal waste gate,small inter cooler front mounted(Celica Gen)Sard induction,using standard fueling and internals,the engine is very Strong and only covered 70 kilometers.comes with LSD and c-one flywheel.aim to get 240bhp...anything i need to look out for

Fuel pump & Injectors is what I will yell at you about. Upgrade pump for sure, either 3SGTE pump or a Walbro 255. You will need an FPR unit both for managing the pressure during boost and off-boost. You can go the uprated injectors route, but that would require the ECU to be tricked and/or piggy-backed and/or different controlling unit.
I am not so sure if your OEM pistons/rods/rings/ringlands will be so happy if you plan to make 240HP all the time.....giving some room for boost spikes....

[mr2nv]

I don't get it. The honda boys throw boost at their motors all the time. If it's tuned correctly, why does everyone think the internals can't handle some boost? The rods are the same as the gen4 3sgte if I recall correctly.

[puretone]

Originally Posted by mr2nv

I don't get it. The honda boys throw boost at their motors all the time. If it's tuned correctly, why does everyone think the internals can't handle some boost? The rods are the same as the gen4 3sgte if I recall correctly.

we are not all master tuners....lots of trial and error still going on here. I don't think we have a single BEAMS owner that actually knows what the limits are so far.
I roll with lots of Honda boys, ring-lands seem to be the weaker point often times with compression ratios lowered & all else OEM. This is with simple tuning, not 100s of hours on the dyno that we can't afford.
Higher compressions & turbo with-not-so-perfect timing, tuning & fueling can get hazzardous quickly.

8psi or less *can* be *safe*-ish, just keep the fueling right....q.e.d. higher flow pump & related FPR, possible injectors & piggyback

[oldsoul45]

Originally Posted by puretone

we are not all master tuners....lots of trial and error still going on here. I don't think we have a single BEAMS owner that actually knows what the limits are so far.
I roll with lots of Honda boys, ring-lands seem to be the weaker point often times with compression ratios lowered & all else OEM. This is with simple tuning, not 100s of hours on the dyno that we can't afford.
Higher compressions & turbo with-not-so-perfect timing, tuning & fueling can get hazzardous quickly.

8psi or less *can* be *safe*-ish, just keep the fueling right....q.e.d. higher flow pump & related FPR, possible injectors & piggyback

plan to run 7 psi max...not looking for more as it's front wheel drive...why am i wanting to do it...well I have two redtops..one is on a stand and I have most of the parts needed...if I can't get 240 out of is there is something wrong given the pistons and the rods that are fitted to this engine..the maf should be able to deal with the fueling as the emu the timing...going to fit uprated head bolts and cooler plugs...also an intercooler...these're a stong engines...recon I could run a 50 shot nos with no problems at all and that would give me the same...thanks for your thought..keep them coming

[puretone]

Originally Posted by oldsoul45

plan to run 7 psi max...not looking for more as it's front wheel drive...why am i wanting to do it...well I have two redtops..one is on a stand and I have most of the parts needed...if I can't get 240 out of is there is something wrong given the pistons and the rods that are fitted to this engine..the maf should be able to deal with the fueling as the emu the timing...going to fit uprated head bolts and cooler plugs...also an intercooler...these're a stong engines...recon I could run a 50 shot nos with no problems at all and that would give me the same...thanks for your thought..keep them coming

mid-life crisis?

TD05 is nice, which one exactly?
Turbo can be a better choice than constantly going for the NOS gas....NOS can get expensive as well....plus when it runs out, its out. hehehehe
7psi should be manageable, I wonder about the MAF as well, of course it has to sit in front of the turbo's inlet & blow-off should feed in here as well....or so the story goes with MAF's. Your success might cause me to go ahead with my turbo build up as well. I'm currently on the fence about it because I feel as though the mildly modded BEAMS I have is enough for my Celica's purposes.....plus I tend to run out of road at about 200km/h, not to mention the island surface itself runs out on me....getting to 200km/h quicker might be fun though....lotsa of Integras, RSX's, WRX's & select others already have issues keeping up with me sooooo....maybe I should go after the fast boys now?

with 7 to 8psi you should get a decent 50HP gain with the proper additional mods, and be reliable too, I think you might be able to get to that 240 HP at the wheels...

[oldsoul45]

Originally Posted by puretone

mid-life crisis?

TD05 is nice, which one exactly?
Turbo can be a better choice than constantly going for the NOS gas....NOS can get expensive as well....plus when it runs out, its out. hehehehe
7psi should be manageable, I wonder about the MAF as well, of course it has to sit in front of the turbo's inlet & blow-off should feed in here as well....or so the story goes with MAF's. Your success might cause me to go ahead with my turbo build up as well. I'm currently on the fence about it because I feel as though the mildly modded BEAMS I have is enough for my Celica's purposes.....plus I tend to run out of road at about 200km/h, not to mention the island surface itself runs out on me....getting to 200km/h quicker might be fun though....lotsa of Integras, RSX's, WRX's & select others already have issues keeping up with me sooooo....maybe I should go after the fast boys now?

with 7 to 8psi you should get a decent 50HP gain with the proper additional mods, and be reliable too, I think you might be able to get to that 240 HP at the wheels...

I'm after the Mitsubitshi td05 because of the manifold and down pipe I have..taked to a lot of people and I'm going for 5psi head bolts and plugs then run up to 7psi...thing is with low comp pistons etc could get 300bhp...but i only have front wheel drive...never get it down...was out today and it was pissing down...took me all my time to get my stock power down

[mr2nv]

Originally Posted by oldsoul45

I'm after the Mitsubitshi td05 because of the manifold and down pipe I have..taked to a lot of people and I'm going for 5psi head bolts and plugs then run up to 7psi...thing is with low comp pistons etc could get 300bhp...but i only have front wheel drive...never get it down...was out today and it was pissing down...took me all my time to get my stock power down

Where did you get a manifold? Custom?

[oldsoul45]

Originally Posted by mr2nv

Where did you get a manifold? Custom?

got it given of a very good friend who sold me his beams engine..

[oldsoul45]

Originally Posted by DCKilla

Murphy's Law

missed that one....yes always

[puretone]

same issue I was having when I had my 5S-FE Turbo'ed. Killer amount of wheel spin, seriously annoying in the rain when you are not attempting to spin the hell out of your tires, I went with wider tyres, no help, I probably needed some seriously soft rubber & 225-up section tires to eliminate all wheel spin...

I see your point

[oldsoul45]

Originally Posted by puretone

same issue I was having when I had my 5S-FE Turbo'ed. Killer amount of wheel spin, seriously annoying in the rain when you are not attempting to spin the hell out of your tires, I went with wider tyres, no help, I probably needed some seriously soft rubber & 225-up section tires to eliminate all wheel spin...

I see your point

yes it's a bitch...along with the turbo project I'm fitting a LSD and superstut with TRD adjustable coilovers..so that should help..thought awhile back about doing a 50 shot nos...that would give me the power but the idea of having the turbo and getting just those extra 40 or so ponys...appeals to me

[oldsoul45]

here's me with my spare lump that I'm going to turbo...just fitted to the stand today

[puretone]

Nominating you #1 senior member of this BEAMS board.....I *think* most of us are young-guns here......
I applaud you for not going the Corvette/American V8 route for your midlife crisis

[MANDALAY]

Im older or should it be

[puretone]

are you > 45 MANDALAY, if so you're handle is even better suited than I initially thought......