traction control

ae86 20v · 10-06-2009, 12:22 PM

Hi guys, my name is jorge and I´m from Costa Rica Central America. I´m on the way to end my project which is a turbo black top beams into my AE86 for drifting. I have the stock computer and and greedy turbo kit. Have a few questions about the traction control wiring and ecu....

1-What you do with the traction control, do you use it?
2-If not, how you overcome this?, I found in the traction control wiring there´s a lot of ABS wiring also, so if I ended cutting those....it would affect the engine response/performance?
3-I have the possibility to use an AEM stand alone....could I get rid of that traction control unit/ecu?
4-Could I change the intake plenum for another one that didn´t utilize the traction control unit?

Thanks A LOT for the help....

Roman · 10-06-2009, 03:56 PM

Blacktop motor has an electronically controlled throttle body, you can only open it about 1/4 of the way 'manually'...

The rest of the way, the ECU decides if it wants to let you open the throttle or not, it gives traction control this way, just shuts the throttle body if yer wheel spinning.

If you're going to an aftermarket ECU, shouldnt be too hard to just run a normal throttle body that is 100% controlled with the throttle cable.

If you want launch control or traction control, set up an ignition cut so it sends some fireballs out the rear, ahaha

Also...

This thread is worthless without pics!

ae86 20v · 10-06-2009, 04:34 PM

Thanks Roman for the quick response, sure I will post pics of all the mayhem

....I have tons, I already instaled the motor

, GT4 brakes and rotors, fully HKS suspention all around (taked from the donor altezza), altezza gear box, model F rearend and some other toys on my ae86.

ok, so as per your explanation I can't get rid of the TRC using the OEM ECU?

.....and the only way of NOT using the TRC in order to get the throttle fully open is getting an aftermarget ECU and another throttle body?...

here is some crappy pic

Roman · 10-06-2009, 05:36 PM

Looks good!

What diff are you using, LSD? Can fit an Altezza LSD into an F series rear, that's what I'm doing.

Yeah as best I understand it, there's no way around the traction control with standard throttle body/ECU. Not that you'd run standard ECU with a turbo setup I guess.

Perhaps the Altezza guys have come up with some tricks though.

ae86 20v · 10-06-2009, 06:05 PM

I'm using OEM ECU + AEM FIC along with the turbo kit and I'm using the F series rear end (28mm... hi-lux)

njccmd2002 · 10-06-2009, 11:56 PM

wow, CR, how do you get things imported to CR, I used to live in Salvador, and its kind of difficult.

MANDALAY · 10-07-2009, 04:16 AM

Is that a stock engine ( internals ) ?

mr2nv · 10-09-2009, 03:36 PM

where did you get the turbo manifold?

ae86 20v · 10-25-2009, 01:46 AM

hi folks, lots of testing here, so that’s why I was in a kind of no posting-mode for a while...a little update in my project...

OEM ECU: big issues here, the ECU tends to lean out the fuel when she senses so much air, so I get rid of her and the FIC and go to a FULL programmable AEM ECU....

TRC: get rid of the OEM system and get a mechanical operated (cable) throttle body.....

all the fabrication is done, brakes and suspension finished, the car is already on a dyno trying no get nice numbers.....I will keep you updated.

Here in costa rica there´s a few company who imported front clips and I bought one that includes transmission, motor, ECU and came with a nice Gready turbo kit on it....I supose the previus owner crashed the altezza because there was some damage......the motor is on a stock internals and the manifold came with it.......

I have one last question, I need to know, to set up the AEM ECU, how many teeth is the OEM crank?....anyone?

I will post some pictures later....

ae86 20v · 10-25-2009, 02:00 AM

here´s some pics...

mr3 · 10-25-2009, 09:15 AM

Sick car. I wish to own one half that nice one of these days. Keep up the good work and post plenty of pics.

MANDALAY · 10-25-2009, 09:44 AM

Stock engine , well with what ive seen i think the rods will let go, they are way thin and bottom heavy. Having said that however they are the same rods as used in the Caldina turbo , what 250 horses but a lower compression ratio.

jclau45 · 10-27-2009, 08:21 PM

Buenas Jorge, muy buen trabajo. Yo le eliminaria el throttle body y le pondria uno de aftermarket. con un adapter plate. En cuanto al pinon de tiempo es 36-2 el que este motor tiene. Puedes usar los internos del motor siempre y cuando no pases de 10 libras de boost. La vielas no van a aguantar. Yo tengo ese mismo motor en un corolla del 82. usando a computadora original para controlar los vvti y una aftermarket para controlar el resto. turbo tengo un gt35. Yo he estado varias veces en CR de viaje una pena no pude ver este swap. cualquier duda dejame saber. jose

MANDALAY · 10-27-2009, 10:31 PM

CHE ?

jclau45 · 10-30-2009, 10:46 AM

Nope, no che here. that is for argentinians, Im Puerto Rican!

puretone · 11-08-2009, 12:31 AM

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This has gotta become a pic too..... "I WANNA DO DRIFTING, I NEED TRACTION CONTROL LOLZ IM RAVING!!1!"

Holy s**t really?!

10-06-2009, 12:22 PM	#1 (permalink)
ae86 20v No Skills Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 5 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	traction control Hi guys, my name is jorge and I´m from Costa Rica Central America. I´m on the way to end my project which is a turbo black top beams into my AE86 for drifting. I have the stock computer and and greedy turbo kit. Have a few questions about the traction control wiring and ecu.... 1-What you do with the traction control, do you use it? 2-If not, how you overcome this?, I found in the traction control wiring there´s a lot of ABS wiring also, so if I ended cutting those....it would affect the engine response/performance? 3-I have the possibility to use an AEM stand alone....could I get rid of that traction control unit/ecu? 4-Could I change the intake plenum for another one that didn´t utilize the traction control unit? Thanks A LOT for the help.... Last edited by ae86 20v; 10-06-2009 at 12:28 PM.

10-06-2009, 04:34 PM	#3 (permalink)
ae86 20v No Skills Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 5 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	Thanks Roman for the quick response, sure I will post pics of all the mayhem....I have tons, I already instaled the motor , GT4 brakes and rotors, fully HKS suspention all around (taked from the donor altezza), altezza gear box, model F rearend and some other toys on my ae86. ok, so as per your explanation I can't get rid of the TRC using the OEM ECU?.....and the only way of NOT using the TRC in order to get the throttle fully open is getting an aftermarget ECU and another throttle body?... here is some crappy pic Last edited by ae86 20v; 10-06-2009 at 04:48 PM.

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10-06-2009, 03:56 PM	#2 (permalink)
Roman Beams OCD Support Group Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Auckland, NZ Posts: 713 Thanks: 23 Thanked 49 Times in 30 Posts My Google Map iTrader Rating: (2/100% )	Blacktop motor has an electronically controlled throttle body, you can only open it about 1/4 of the way 'manually'... The rest of the way, the ECU decides if it wants to let you open the throttle or not, it gives traction control this way, just shuts the throttle body if yer wheel spinning. If you're going to an aftermarket ECU, shouldnt be too hard to just run a normal throttle body that is 100% controlled with the throttle cable. If you want launch control or traction control, set up an ignition cut so it sends some fireballs out the rear, ahaha Also... This thread is worthless without pics!

10-06-2009, 05:36 PM	#4 (permalink)
Roman Beams OCD Support Group Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Auckland, NZ Posts: 713 Thanks: 23 Thanked 49 Times in 30 Posts My Google Map iTrader Rating: (2/100% )	Looks good! What diff are you using, LSD? Can fit an Altezza LSD into an F series rear, that's what I'm doing. Yeah as best I understand it, there's no way around the traction control with standard throttle body/ECU. Not that you'd run standard ECU with a turbo setup I guess. Perhaps the Altezza guys have come up with some tricks though.

10-06-2009, 06:05 PM	#5 (permalink)
ae86 20v No Skills Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 5 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	I'm using OEM ECU + AEM FIC along with the turbo kit and I'm using the F series rear end (28mm... hi-lux)

10-06-2009, 11:56 PM	#6 (permalink)
njccmd2002 Beams Owners Group Join Date: May 2008 Location: Jackson TN Posts: 69 Thanks: 8 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	wow, CR, how do you get things imported to CR, I used to live in Salvador, and its kind of difficult.

10-07-2009, 04:16 AM	#7 (permalink)
MANDALAY Beams Owners Group Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: victoria AUSTRALIA Posts: 1,834 Thanks: 88 Thanked 64 Times in 60 Posts My Google Map iTrader Rating: (4/100% )	Is that a stock engine ( internals ) ?

10-09-2009, 03:36 PM	#8 (permalink)
mr2nv Beams Owners Group Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 136 Thanks: 0 Thanked 8 Times in 6 Posts iTrader Rating: (1/100% )	where did you get the turbo manifold?

10-25-2009, 01:46 AM	#9 (permalink)
ae86 20v No Skills Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 5 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	hi folks, lots of testing here, so that’s why I was in a kind of no posting-mode for a while...a little update in my project... OEM ECU: big issues here, the ECU tends to lean out the fuel when she senses so much air, so I get rid of her and the FIC and go to a FULL programmable AEM ECU.... TRC: get rid of the OEM system and get a mechanical operated (cable) throttle body..... all the fabrication is done, brakes and suspension finished, the car is already on a dyno trying no get nice numbers.....I will keep you updated. Here in costa rica there´s a few company who imported front clips and I bought one that includes transmission, motor, ECU and came with a nice Gready turbo kit on it....I supose the previus owner crashed the altezza because there was some damage......the motor is on a stock internals and the manifold came with it....... I have one last question, I need to know, to set up the AEM ECU, how many teeth is the OEM crank?....anyone? I will post some pictures later....

10-25-2009, 02:00 AM	#10 (permalink)
ae86 20v No Skills Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 5 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	here´s some pics...

10-25-2009, 09:15 AM	#11 (permalink)
mr3 Cage Fighter Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Plymouth Mtg, Pa Posts: 848 Thanks: 19 Thanked 26 Times in 25 Posts iTrader Rating: (2/100% )	Sick car. I wish to own one half that nice one of these days. Keep up the good work and post plenty of pics.

10-25-2009, 09:44 AM	#12 (permalink)
MANDALAY Beams Owners Group Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: victoria AUSTRALIA Posts: 1,834 Thanks: 88 Thanked 64 Times in 60 Posts My Google Map iTrader Rating: (4/100% )	Stock engine , well with what ive seen i think the rods will let go, they are way thin and bottom heavy. Having said that however they are the same rods as used in the Caldina turbo , what 250 horses but a lower compression ratio.

10-27-2009, 08:21 PM	#13 (permalink)
jclau45 No Skills Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: south florida Posts: 39 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	Buenas Jorge, muy buen trabajo. Yo le eliminaria el throttle body y le pondria uno de aftermarket. con un adapter plate. En cuanto al pinon de tiempo es 36-2 el que este motor tiene. Puedes usar los internos del motor siempre y cuando no pases de 10 libras de boost. La vielas no van a aguantar. Yo tengo ese mismo motor en un corolla del 82. usando a computadora original para controlar los vvti y una aftermarket para controlar el resto. turbo tengo un gt35. Yo he estado varias veces en CR de viaje una pena no pude ver este swap. cualquier duda dejame saber. jose

10-27-2009, 10:31 PM	#14 (permalink)
MANDALAY Beams Owners Group Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: victoria AUSTRALIA Posts: 1,834 Thanks: 88 Thanked 64 Times in 60 Posts My Google Map iTrader Rating: (4/100% )	CHE ?

10-30-2009, 10:46 AM	#15 (permalink)
jclau45 No Skills Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: south florida Posts: 39 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	Nope, no che here. that is for argentinians, Im Puerto Rican!

11-08-2009, 12:31 AM	#16 (permalink)
puretone Beams Owners Group Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Aruba, #1 BEAMS Engine on the Island Posts: 1,366 Thanks: 24 Thanked 46 Times in 45 Posts My Google Map iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This has gotta become a pic too..... "I WANNA DO DRIFTING, I NEED TRACTION CONTROL LOLZ IM RAVING!!1!" Holy s**t really?!