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[BishopTTU]

You guys have been such a help, maybe you can help a MR2er [Tayfix] in Slovania.

He's got a GenII 3S-GE and moving to a genII GTE. His speed sensor with a three plug wire but the GTE is a 6 pin plug. He was asking for the wire color of the three pin [3s-ge] and I'm not finding it in the diagram.

Anyone have an ideas?

[BonzaiCelica]

oh ok thanks for the info guys. The only stand alone ecu i saw the the beams engine was a c-one. And that was really expensive $1700. anything else out there that is cheaper?

[RST]

oh ok thanks for the info guys. The only stand alone ecu i saw the the beams engine was a c-one. And that was really expensive $1700. anything else out there that is cheaper?

I think Wayno, Celica RA45 and Mandalay are running Motec's -I'm running a LINK G3 XLEM (I think Nailmonkey is also). I'm not sure how far folk got with modifying the PFC to run on the redtop. I think I saw someone on here someone going to try a Link G4 recently also.

[Edophus]

Originally Posted by RST

I'm not sure how far folk got with modifying the PFC to run on the redtop. I

It was done I've since sold my redtop and the 1zz-fe power-fc but i still have the test loom and if anyone wants it they are welcome to it, they would just have to tidy up the loom, i put a fair amount of miles on it using the map i got from nick, i just needed to get it mapped for my engine as his map was a bit lean for my setup. Theres really not that much you have to do to make it work, just swapping round half a dozen wires. The beams will even run on the 1zz-fe base map as long as you dont rev the nuts out of it its fine!.

[Celica RA45]

there4 i also a new ecu made here in oz its called a adaptronic and is about 1100with loom and can do vvti as well

[RST]

Thinking about it I'm sure I read a few months ago that Link ECU's are available min the US also -but they're marketed under a different name over there (sorry -I don't have the mag article handy which said that, but sticks in mind an ECU name already common to Subaru's and Mitsubishi Evo's?).

[assassin10000]

Originally Posted by RST

Thinking about it I'm sure I read a few months ago that Link ECU's are available min the US also -but they're marketed under a different name over there (sorry -I don't have the mag article handy which said that, but sticks in mind an ECU name already common to Subaru's and Mitsubishi Evo's?).

That would be the ViPec ECU's, rebadged Link Ecu's. And can handle dual vvti

Or so I've been told. Saving up for one myself.

Andrew

[RST]

It was done

...yea but how far did you get with it? I know you had it running OK but was there real potential there?

[Edophus]

yeah i think so, even though it wasnt mapped for my car it would tear a slice of my st182 in terms of pace and wasnt that much slower than the stock ecu, the problem was just the low end really, once you got it going it was the same really and i ran it up to and just over 8000rpm with no issues, I always ran it a little rich for safety so hence down on power, so yeah i'd say it will work fine, but its gonna take someone else to prove it!

I should add I had input from a proffesional tuner whilst getting it to work, who in particular was very experienced with toyota engines in general and particularly the 1zz/2zz engines having been one of the first to offer a supercharger kit with power-fc for the 7th gen celica in the uk, this was like hmm 8 odd years ago he started with them, it was him who anaylised my logs and told me the changes i needed to make and to use the coils from a 1zz etc and he was very impressed with the results so yes i do think it has potential!

[RST]

Hmm cool, well you know the guys I deal with so between the lot there's an awful lot of pro experience going I guess.

..I thought you might have stayed longer with the '202 but between you and me the '202 ans '205 are big barges at best -there's something about them which isn't quite conducive but I can't put my finger on so far?

[mr220v]

Was there a way to adjust the vvti cam advance?

At 8000rpms did it feel like it was making power normal for that rpm level, or was it just kinda floating?

[Edophus]

well i often ask myself why but i really started out with the intention of building a celica that was every bit as good as an integra type-r, dont ask me why i just wanted too! and after passing everyone i came across on track whilst never being passed by one i felt i'd acheived that, infact i was no longer chasing them i was chasing evo's etc, i felt if i did anymore i'd just be chasing power and that would eventually ruin it as soon as the front wheels gave up, so it was time to change!!

what are you doing with your st205? decided yet?

mr220v - yes you had full control over the vvti, electronically the 1zz-fe is almost identical, the only difference is the ignition coil circuit.

[Edophus]

Originally Posted by mr220v

Was there a way to adjust the vvti cam advance?

At 8000rpms did it feel like it was making power normal for that rpm level, or was it just kinda floating?

no it wasnt stopping, i had to lift off, it'd have kept going, it was pulling as well at 8 as it did at 7, and sounded great the only other mods i had were a lightweight flywheel and i'd taken a burr and cleaned up the welding on the inside of the exhaust manifold, that helped the top end with the stock ecu anyway so may have contributed, before i did those things i would short shift at about or just before 7000rpm on the stock ecu, would pull cleanly to the 7400rpm limiter afterwords, so i'd say they definetly were helping.

[mr220v]

It might be that the tune ignored the bottom end? Might have needed a little less cam overlap?

[Edophus]

possibly i'm no expert when it comes to the map itself i just kept an eye on the a/f ratios and adjusted it to be rich if it leaned out at any point, the map was made for nicks car, which had the full pheonix power manifold and exhaust where as mine was stock, and i think hks intake but cant really remember, i think that will have made quite a difference to the flow capability of the engine, i'd have really needed to get it to a rolling road and get the fuel/ignition done for my engine by a tuner, the only way i can put it was it felt like it was a few % out everywhere, but very smooth so felt like it just needed tweaking to get the most out of my own setup.

heres a link of a 2nd gear run up to 8000, you can see it pulls quite nicely, hehe i aborted the 3rd gear cause damn your doing nearly 100mph at that point!

You Tube

[RST]

Hmm, I kike my 3SGTE but don't necessarily like the platform, Lets see, what else do I have...

I am still trying to work out whether I can make this 4wd or even better rwd -but keep it quiet -not bother with a VW engine (my GT4's not worth much up here in this climate)...

I'm not ashamed to say my daily is an old VW, but I'm not crazy enough to say that European engineering has any form of edge whatsoever.

...I'm just seriously thinking at the moment that if I had the cash and the space that this might be a cool project!

Teg type R's are what they are, LoL I don't own a white shell suit bottom (yes -I saw one this week) plus most folk who tune them end up spending mega bucks as well!

[Edophus]

haha yes Richard you have just reminded me why i wanted to build a car like a type-r that wasnt, its cause theres nothing more confusing to the monobrowed shell suit wearing type-r driver than being outclassed by a supposedly "inferior" car, it was immensly satisfying cause they do seem to attract a certain type of person, certainly the digital accelerator type. ( with the exception of my freind brian's of course, his accelerator was literally stuck down :P )

Are you being serious? a 3s-gte in a caddy, with 4wd?

[puretone]

*SIGH* another one of those little pickup trucks with massive performance?

YouTube - Subaru Brumby

[RST]

I'm being as serious as I can without any place or welding sckills to do it. One Sweedish guy is doing a Volvo T5 engine build but no updates recently.

How cool would a 3S engine RWD drive nascar spec caddy be...

Check this link out, the Caddy's just sub 1000kg if you were going for an all-out build would you not consider a 3S or even dare I say a 2J engine (you got the room!!!).

I'd go lightweight and keep it RWD black top N'A. This is all pipe dreams but there is some reason why I haven't sold my Celica yet as well maybe.

[RST]

Hey an Elcamino by any other name!