Beams Dyno results registry.

Roman · 07-17-2006, 05:18 AM

TOP HP:
(Note: All measurements taken 'At the wheels')
1. Celica RA45, 240whp @ 8600
2.Maikl: 186whp @ 6800
3. ?? ST202 owner: 180whp@6694rpm
4. MR2.org.nz member: 170whp @ ??
5. Roman: 170whp @ 6800
5. Puretone: 158whp @ ???
6. RST: 157whp @ 6520
7.Nikki1877: 154whp @ ???
8.WaynoFX: 147whp @ 6800
9.Ducatichick: 145whp @ 7175
10.

TOP TORQUE:
(Note: All measurements taken 'At the wheels')
1. Celica RA45 183 ft lbs @ 6200rpm
2. Maikl 154ft lbs @ 5800
3. ST202 celica owner (??) 151 ft lbs @ 5794rpm
4. Ducati Chick 145ft lbs @ 6500rpm
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Roman · 07-17-2006, 05:20 AM

Hi folks.

Personally, I havent had a chance to Dyno my beams engine yet, but I figure that as more of us eventually get our cars up and running, we can post the results in a thread here.

This first post will serve as a registry for dyno plot information, as it becomes available.

If you wish to post information about dyno results of a beams engine, please use the following format:

Car owner
Car type:
engine type:
max HP @ RPM
max torque @ RPM
relevant mods
A picture of the dyno plot if possible

And any other information deemed relevant.

Roman · 07-17-2006, 05:23 AM

Car owner: Maikl
Car type: ST202 Celica
engine type: Redtop 3SGE
max HP @ RPM 186whp @ 6800
max torque @ RPM 154ft lbs @ 5800
relevant mods:
jun light flywheel
AEM air filter
custom CAI
greddy iridium spark
clutchmaster 6 pad racing disc
cluthcmaster clutch cover
apex-i fuel regulator
battery on the back of my car injectors from altezza dual vvt-i
greddy e-manage ecu
appex-i rsm
70' custom exhaust sustem
TRD radiator cap
spitfire earth grounds
C-ONE cooling panel
TRD quickshift
TRD racing thermostat
oil catch tank
Greddy aluminium oil filler cap.
phoenix's exhaust manifold
c-one underdrive pulley
bbk racing fuel pump

Roman · 07-17-2006, 05:35 AM

Car owner ????
Car type: The car its Celica ST202 VVTi Beams 1998. (As seen here
engine type: Redtop 3S
max HP @ RPM 180whp@6694rpm
max torque @ RPM 228nm @ 5794rpm (At the fly)
relevant mods
E-manage Ultimate ECU
Phoenix SS Headers
HKS Super Silent Exhaust
ACT Clutch Kit
HKS Induction kit

Roman · 07-17-2006, 05:40 AM

Car owner Celica RA45
Car type: Celica RA45
engine type: Altezza dual VVTI 3SGE
max HP @ RPM 211whp @ 7610
max torque @ RPM 216nm @ 5508rpm

relevant mods
Ugh, I dont even entirelyknow to be honest!
I know that it's got a MoTec M800, custom pistons, custom rods, modified crank, ported head, very aggressive cams, supra injectors, TRD Altezza headers, Custom oversized throttle bodies (50mm IIRC) and a few other goodies that dont spring to mind.

I also know that this is a very old dyno plot, and that his current car is making more HP than that.

Roman · 07-17-2006, 05:42 AM

Car owner Member of MR2.org.nz (Cant remember his name)
Car type: 1998 gen 5 SW20
engine type: Redtop 3S
max HP @ RPM 170hp ATW @ ??? Rpm
max torque @ RPM ???
relevant mods
Car was bone stock, completely standard.

Roman · 07-17-2006, 05:51 AM

Car owner Ducati Chick, member of IMOC.CO.UK
Car type: 1993 Toyota MR2 MK2 BeamsVVTi
engine type: Redtop 3S
max HP @ RPM 145whp @ 7175rpm (Suffice to say, that something was amiss here?)
max torque @ RPM 145ft lbs @ 6500rpm
relevant mods
Apexi Induction
Apexi RSM
Apexi SAFC 2
HKS Plugs
Mongoose S/Steel N/A Exhaust System.

PHOENIX · 07-17-2006, 08:22 AM

Outstanding work!

WFX · 07-17-2006, 09:32 AM

Give me 2 weeks and I shall have my dyno sheet as well!

Got a car show (Autosalon) on the 29th & 30th July!

Ok so I'm expecting at least 170WHP, great idea ROMAN!

Wish me luck! LOL!!

Roman · 07-17-2006, 05:18 PM

It's quite interesting to see, that between the lowest and highest HP cars, they are all making between 150 and 160 ft lbs of torque.... the only difference being, where on the curve that they made the power.

The key to NA power isnt making more torque, it's pushing the torque further up the rev range.

PHOENIX · 07-17-2006, 07:22 PM

ill see if i cant get a hold of RA45 tonight and get a current dyno plot.

WFX · 07-31-2006, 05:14 AM

Car Owner: Wayne Siviour
Car Type: 1993 Toyota Celica With 98 ST202 BEAMS Conversion
Engine Type: Red Top 3SGE
MAX HP @ RPM: 125HP @ 158KPH
MAX Torque @ RPM: 239N.M @ 150 KPH
Relevant Mods:
JUN Light Weight Flywheel
TRD Clutch
HKS Air Filter
2.5" Exhaust System

As you can see the dyno read very very low and I know for a fact that the car is much quicker then 125HP! There were alot of people on the day saying that the dyno read lower so I'm going to get it re-run on a Dyno Dynamics dyno instead and we shall compare!

Roman · 07-31-2006, 06:09 AM

Hmmm interesting.

Have you checked your engine for any error codes?
It might be throwing a hissy fit with the wiring etc, there might be a sensor or something it's looking for that isnt there.

Or like you say, a low reading dyno.

Do you have a plot of the torque as well?

What octane gas are you running it on?

I dont understand how they calculate the torque/hp, without knowing the gear ratio, final drive ratio, and rpm.

Entering a slightly wrong final drive ratio can really throw your results either way, as can getting the RPM a little wrong.

WFX · 07-31-2006, 07:00 AM

I didnt recieve a plot of the torque no and I'm running 98 octane which is as high as we got here. My tacho is currently not working so they cant read that from the guage, do I need to provide gear ratio, final drive ratio, and rpm before I get it dynoed again or should they beable to work it out from there system?

On another quick note RA45's Celica currently makes 180 kws at the back wheels at 8750 rpm on a dyno dynamics dyno in 4th gear. Hope he doesnt mind me posting this here!

Roman · 07-31-2006, 07:05 AM

Hey WFX, do you have MSN?

The torque output at the wheels is a direct result of wheel size, final drive ratio, gear ratio, transmission losses, and engine torque.

Transmission losses... who cares, power @ the wheels is the only thing that matters

However since the engine torque is multiplied by a factor corresponding to the combination of rolling radius of the wheels, gear ratio and final drive ratio, you need to divide the torque at the wheels by this amount again, to get the correct torque/HP figure.

For example, some MR2 owner here was claiming that their NA sw20 output 600nm of torque, more than a lambourghini, haha. However when you divide that number by the final drive ratio, multiply it by the gear ratio, it became a bit more sensible, haha.

I know that some people assume that 4th gear is a straight 1:1 ratio, however this isnt the case on most FWD transaxles

Roman · 07-31-2006, 07:23 AM

P.S. Yep I know Celica RA45 is making more power than listed, but it doesnt get put on the list until I've got proof, eg. a revised dyno plot. :P

PHOENIX · 08-01-2006, 03:02 AM

yeah yeah, i have it, ill get it up

PHOENIX · 08-01-2006, 03:10 AM

PHOENIX · 08-01-2006, 03:17 AM

now i will have to ask him for permission to post his mod list. But i will say that every mod he has, has the little word "Custom" in front of it.

Its quite impressive.

07-17-2006, 05:18 AM	#1 (permalink)
Roman Beams Owners Group Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 466 Thanks: 13 Thanked 30 Times in 18 Posts My Google Map iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	Beams Dyno results registry. TOP HP: (Note: All measurements taken 'At the wheels') 1. Celica RA45, 240whp @ 8600 2.Maikl: 186whp @ 6800 3. ?? ST202 owner: 180whp@6694rpm 4. MR2.org.nz member: 170whp @ ?? 5. Roman: 170whp @ 6800 5. Puretone: 158whp @ ??? 6. RST: 157whp @ 6520 7.Nikki1877: 154whp @ ??? 8.WaynoFX: 147whp @ 6800 9.Ducatichick: 145whp @ 7175 10. TOP TORQUE: (Note: All measurements taken 'At the wheels') 1. Celica RA45 183 ft lbs @ 6200rpm 2. Maikl 154ft lbs @ 5800 3. ST202 celica owner (??) 151 ft lbs @ 5794rpm 4. Ducati Chick 145ft lbs @ 6500rpm 5. 6. 7. 8. 9. 10. Last edited by Roman; 11-05-2007 at 11:14 PM.

07-17-2006, 05:20 AM	#2 (permalink)
Roman Beams Owners Group Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 466 Thanks: 13 Thanked 30 Times in 18 Posts My Google Map iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	Hi folks. Personally, I havent had a chance to Dyno my beams engine yet, but I figure that as more of us eventually get our cars up and running, we can post the results in a thread here. This first post will serve as a registry for dyno plot information, as it becomes available. If you wish to post information about dyno results of a beams engine, please use the following format: Car owner Car type: engine type: max HP @ RPM max torque @ RPM relevant mods A picture of the dyno plot if possible And any other information deemed relevant. Last edited by Roman; 07-17-2006 at 05:59 AM.

07-31-2006, 07:05 AM	#15 (permalink)
Roman Beams Owners Group Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 466 Thanks: 13 Thanked 30 Times in 18 Posts My Google Map iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	Hey WFX, do you have MSN? The torque output at the wheels is a direct result of wheel size, final drive ratio, gear ratio, transmission losses, and engine torque. Transmission losses... who cares, power @ the wheels is the only thing that matters However since the engine torque is multiplied by a factor corresponding to the combination of rolling radius of the wheels, gear ratio and final drive ratio, you need to divide the torque at the wheels by this amount again, to get the correct torque/HP figure. For example, some MR2 owner here was claiming that their NA sw20 output 600nm of torque, more than a lambourghini, haha. However when you divide that number by the final drive ratio, multiply it by the gear ratio, it became a bit more sensible, haha. I know that some people assume that 4th gear is a straight 1:1 ratio, however this isnt the case on most FWD transaxles Last edited by Roman; 07-31-2006 at 07:22 AM.

07-17-2006, 05:23 AM	#3 (permalink)
Roman Beams Owners Group Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 466 Thanks: 13 Thanked 30 Times in 18 Posts My Google Map iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	Car owner: Maikl Car type: ST202 Celica engine type: Redtop 3SGE max HP @ RPM 186whp @ 6800 max torque @ RPM 154ft lbs @ 5800 relevant mods: jun light flywheel AEM air filter custom CAI greddy iridium spark clutchmaster 6 pad racing disc cluthcmaster clutch cover apex-i fuel regulator battery on the back of my car injectors from altezza dual vvt-i greddy e-manage ecu appex-i rsm 70' custom exhaust sustem TRD radiator cap spitfire earth grounds C-ONE cooling panel TRD quickshift TRD racing thermostat oil catch tank Greddy aluminium oil filler cap. phoenix's exhaust manifold c-one underdrive pulley bbk racing fuel pump

07-17-2006, 05:35 AM	#4 (permalink)
Roman Beams Owners Group Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 466 Thanks: 13 Thanked 30 Times in 18 Posts My Google Map iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	Car owner ???? Car type: The car its Celica ST202 VVTi Beams 1998. (As seen here engine type: Redtop 3S max HP @ RPM 180whp@6694rpm max torque @ RPM 228nm @ 5794rpm (At the fly) relevant mods E-manage Ultimate ECU Phoenix SS Headers HKS Super Silent Exhaust ACT Clutch Kit HKS Induction kit

07-17-2006, 05:40 AM	#5 (permalink)
Roman Beams Owners Group Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 466 Thanks: 13 Thanked 30 Times in 18 Posts My Google Map iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	Car owner Celica RA45 Car type: Celica RA45 engine type: Altezza dual VVTI 3SGE max HP @ RPM 211whp @ 7610 max torque @ RPM 216nm @ 5508rpm relevant mods Ugh, I dont even entirelyknow to be honest! I know that it's got a MoTec M800, custom pistons, custom rods, modified crank, ported head, very aggressive cams, supra injectors, TRD Altezza headers, Custom oversized throttle bodies (50mm IIRC) and a few other goodies that dont spring to mind. I also know that this is a very old dyno plot, and that his current car is making more HP than that.

07-17-2006, 05:42 AM	#6 (permalink)
Roman Beams Owners Group Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 466 Thanks: 13 Thanked 30 Times in 18 Posts My Google Map iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	Car owner Member of MR2.org.nz (Cant remember his name) Car type: 1998 gen 5 SW20 engine type: Redtop 3S max HP @ RPM 170hp ATW @ ??? Rpm max torque @ RPM ??? relevant mods Car was bone stock, completely standard.

07-17-2006, 05:51 AM	#7 (permalink)
Roman Beams Owners Group Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 466 Thanks: 13 Thanked 30 Times in 18 Posts My Google Map iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	Car owner Ducati Chick, member of IMOC.CO.UK Car type: 1993 Toyota MR2 MK2 BeamsVVTi engine type: Redtop 3S max HP @ RPM 145whp @ 7175rpm (Suffice to say, that something was amiss here?) max torque @ RPM 145ft lbs @ 6500rpm relevant mods Apexi Induction Apexi RSM Apexi SAFC 2 HKS Plugs Mongoose S/Steel N/A Exhaust System.

07-17-2006, 08:22 AM	#8 (permalink)
PHOENIX Beams Owners Group Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Tachikawa, Japan Posts: 7,254 Thanks: 71 Thanked 216 Times in 163 Posts Blog Entries: 1 My Google Map iTrader Rating: (39/100% )	Outstanding work!

07-17-2006, 09:32 AM	#9 (permalink)
WFX Beams Owners Group Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Perth, Western Australia Posts: 287 Thanks: 6 Thanked 11 Times in 8 Posts My Google Map iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	Give me 2 weeks and I shall have my dyno sheet as well! Got a car show (Autosalon) on the 29th & 30th July! Ok so I'm expecting at least 170WHP, great idea ROMAN! Wish me luck! LOL!!

07-17-2006, 05:18 PM	#10 (permalink)
Roman Beams Owners Group Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 466 Thanks: 13 Thanked 30 Times in 18 Posts My Google Map iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	It's quite interesting to see, that between the lowest and highest HP cars, they are all making between 150 and 160 ft lbs of torque.... the only difference being, where on the curve that they made the power. The key to NA power isnt making more torque, it's pushing the torque further up the rev range.

07-17-2006, 07:22 PM	#11 (permalink)
PHOENIX Beams Owners Group Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Tachikawa, Japan Posts: 7,254 Thanks: 71 Thanked 216 Times in 163 Posts Blog Entries: 1 My Google Map iTrader Rating: (39/100% )	ill see if i cant get a hold of RA45 tonight and get a current dyno plot.

07-31-2006, 05:14 AM	#12 (permalink)
WFX Beams Owners Group Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Perth, Western Australia Posts: 287 Thanks: 6 Thanked 11 Times in 8 Posts My Google Map iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	Car Owner: Wayne Siviour Car Type: 1993 Toyota Celica With 98 ST202 BEAMS Conversion Engine Type: Red Top 3SGE MAX HP @ RPM: 125HP @ 158KPH MAX Torque @ RPM: 239N.M @ 150 KPH Relevant Mods: JUN Light Weight Flywheel TRD Clutch HKS Air Filter 2.5" Exhaust System As you can see the dyno read very very low and I know for a fact that the car is much quicker then 125HP! There were alot of people on the day saying that the dyno read lower so I'm going to get it re-run on a Dyno Dynamics dyno instead and we shall compare!

07-31-2006, 06:09 AM	#13 (permalink)
Roman Beams Owners Group Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 466 Thanks: 13 Thanked 30 Times in 18 Posts My Google Map iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	Hmmm interesting. Have you checked your engine for any error codes? It might be throwing a hissy fit with the wiring etc, there might be a sensor or something it's looking for that isnt there. Or like you say, a low reading dyno. Do you have a plot of the torque as well? What octane gas are you running it on? I dont understand how they calculate the torque/hp, without knowing the gear ratio, final drive ratio, and rpm. Entering a slightly wrong final drive ratio can really throw your results either way, as can getting the RPM a little wrong.

07-31-2006, 07:00 AM	#14 (permalink)
WFX Beams Owners Group Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Perth, Western Australia Posts: 287 Thanks: 6 Thanked 11 Times in 8 Posts My Google Map iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	I didnt recieve a plot of the torque no and I'm running 98 octane which is as high as we got here. My tacho is currently not working so they cant read that from the guage, do I need to provide gear ratio, final drive ratio, and rpm before I get it dynoed again or should they beable to work it out from there system? On another quick note RA45's Celica currently makes 180 kws at the back wheels at 8750 rpm on a dyno dynamics dyno in 4th gear. Hope he doesnt mind me posting this here!

07-31-2006, 07:23 AM	#16 (permalink)
Roman Beams Owners Group Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 466 Thanks: 13 Thanked 30 Times in 18 Posts My Google Map iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	P.S. Yep I know Celica RA45 is making more power than listed, but it doesnt get put on the list until I've got proof, eg. a revised dyno plot. :P

08-01-2006, 03:02 AM	#17 (permalink)
PHOENIX Beams Owners Group Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Tachikawa, Japan Posts: 7,254 Thanks: 71 Thanked 216 Times in 163 Posts Blog Entries: 1 My Google Map iTrader Rating: (39/100% )	yeah yeah, i have it, ill get it up

08-01-2006, 03:10 AM	#18 (permalink)
PHOENIX Beams Owners Group Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Tachikawa, Japan Posts: 7,254 Thanks: 71 Thanked 216 Times in 163 Posts Blog Entries: 1 My Google Map iTrader Rating: (39/100% )

08-01-2006, 03:17 AM	#19 (permalink)
PHOENIX Beams Owners Group Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Tachikawa, Japan Posts: 7,254 Thanks: 71 Thanked 216 Times in 163 Posts Blog Entries: 1 My Google Map iTrader Rating: (39/100% )	now i will have to ask him for permission to post his mod list. But i will say that every mod he has, has the little word "Custom" in front of it. Its quite impressive.