I found a deal with the DEVIL

[deiselfuel2o2]

My step-mom has an old 1984-86 Mr2 (she cannot remember what year) that is N/A. It has been sitting in the barn for 10 years and only has 66k miles on it. I live in Virginia, but it is in Michigan. I know its not the best place for rust, but I was wondering if it was worth it. She said I can have the car if I fix it up (paint, clutch, fluids, battery, filters, rims, tires). Do you guys think it is worth it? I have never driven one before, and I know it has the same engine as the AE86!

I am really interested in this car for mild modifications and all out Touge style racing

Are they reliable engine's? I know its a toyota but 10 years no start is not exactly promising LOL. I have to drive like 20 hours to get there and check for rust etc...

My real name is Regis!
And I currently own a scion Xa (2006) with mild mods as well but am looking for more of a touge car LOL.

[Dance_Business]

Ugh, I'll just run over there when I'm in Chicago in a few weeks. As long as I can buy it for $100.00

[deiselfuel2o2]

So i guess i should say yes! I dont have 3k right now (paint = 1500 dollars for 13 layer paint job). I really wish someone could tell me the advantages of a Mid-engine RWD?! I know that they can drift but...the engine is in the rear so maybe too much oversteer. could help grip though? I need new rims/tires cuz it came with the aluminum rims that change size (lol) during the seasons. The tires are 10 years old as well as the oil sitting in the car....so I am wondering if it is worth it for a college kid with little money!



thx!

[Dance_Business]

Where in Michigan? If you are serious about selling it.. Crazier things have happened!

[Raptor13x]

Originally Posted by deiselfuel2o2

So i guess i should say yes! I dont have 3k right now (paint = 1500 dollars for 13 layer paint job). I really wish someone could tell me the advantages of a Mid-engine RWD?! I know that they can drift but...the engine is in the rear so maybe too much oversteer. could help grip though? I need new rims/tires cuz it came with the aluminum rims that change size (lol) during the seasons. The tires are 10 years old as well as the oil sitting in the car....so I am wondering if it is worth it for a college kid with little money!



thx!

Whereabouts in Michigan is it?



First thing to do is get the silly notion you have of "drifting" like it's some sort of performance figure out of your head. If you want to slide sideways, there are better cars to do it in- RX-7's, 240sx's, etc.

Concerning the performance advantages/disadvantages of a mid-rear configuration, a typical mid-engined car has around 55-60% of the vehicle's weight over the rear(drive) wheels. This means better traction under acceleration, less spinning of the inside rear tire out of corners, and because the engine is close to the center of the car, there is a lower polar moment of inertia, which means that the car is able to change directions more quickly. (picture a figure skater- when they start spinning, they have their arms out, but if they want to spin quickly, they tuck their arms and legs in close to their body- the closer the mass is to the center of gravity, the quicker something can change direction) Handling-wise, this means the car is quicker and more agile around corners, but is more difficult to drive. Having the heavy-end behind you means the car is more apt to spin under deceleration or braking. You have to be much quicker and a much better driver to keep the car under control at the limit.

[deiselfuel2o2]

Thanks for the drifting lesson. I have raced before (auto-cross/F3000) and I know the advantages of drifting over taking traditional lines. BUT I CAN GET THIS CAR FOR FREE AND ITS RWD.

I am no "stooopid" teen. I don't know much about engines but I can drive. If i can beat a v6 accord (yes FWD duh..) in a 90 hp FWD Hatchback on a 27 mile moutain road with no speed limit/population then im pretty sure I know how to drive. I know you did not know this, but I do not take "drifting is silly" as a compliment. If you want the car so bad just get another one, not my gift. I was trying to be nice on this forum, but you guys have a different kind of humor. Will get used to it w/e.

Otherwise thanks for the info for the Mid-engine RWd setup. I figured that it would have the same "characteristics" as f3000's but wasnt sure since its a road car. Drifting btw, is insanely beneficial in mountain roads. Not just for going faster (duh...) but for tricking your opponent. Example : FWD car hand brake drifting/down-shifting/counter steering/gunning it and smoke going everywhere will make your opponent slow down if already behind you LOL.
Maybe i am made for FWD cars...i know that sounds retarded but you are so far not letting me find out...

Why is it soo hard to get an answer to a question?
I just wanted to know the following: IS THIS A GOOD DEAL OR NOT?

thanks for the info/w.e help you gave me/greeting (lol?)


Regis...

[Tycoon788]

i think any free car is wort it, worst case u get it and scrap it or part it out. Where at in Michigan is it located? i live in MI around Plymouth canton area.

[TreyMR2]

Originally Posted by deiselfuel2o2

If i can beat a v6 accord (yes FWD duh..) in a 90 hp FWD Hatchback on a 27 mile moutain road with no speed limit/population then im pretty sure I know how to drive.

That means absolutely NOTHING... Maybe the driver in the v6 accord sucked. I had some guy in a roush stang try to race me one my way home from work one day. He lose traction and hit a ditch trying to gun it and show off. Now I could say I beat him cause technically I was in the lead but that doesn't mean with a better driver he couldn't have beat me. If the guy in the v6 was a ****** enough driver then damn near anyone that didn't run off the road could win. But I'm sure you'll reply with something saying how he's an x F1 car driver or something. But relating to the thread, Yes thats a great deal. MKI MR2's are horrible drift cars cause their short wheel base but it would be a nice auto X or canyon racing car.

[deiselfuel2o2]

If you want to just "see" it and not steal it/buy it then sure i'll tell you. But you guys are a different breed of toyota (attitude wise). I would gladly take any help without having to drive 20 hours for granted and help you out as well (not sell the car lol). I really want a car that is worth tougeing in


Its near New Era i dont know exactly where (not too fond of my step mom until now lol).


Regis

[TreyMR2]

also I didn't even notice this until I posted that other time

Originally Posted by deiselfuel2o2

Drifting btw, is insanely beneficial in mountain roads. Not just for going faster (duh...) but for tricking your opponent. Example : FWD car hand brake drifting/down-shifting/counter steering/gunning it and smoke going everywhere will make your opponent slow down if already behind you LOL.

What video game have you been playing to much? Whats next your gonna start using banana pills to "trick" your "opponents"? btw, A properly tuned grip car with a good driver WILL be faster than drifting. So if you get this I promise you you'll have way more fun getting it to hug the corners and haul ass. That short of a wheel base will most likely put you in the wall, or ditch, if your not 110% sure what your doing.

[Version135b]

as far as i know none of the people on this board live in SW michigan, the chicago guys are the best bet

ps: go watch initial D and leave the mr2's to people who like to drive.

[Tycoon788]

if its close enough to me i'll go n look at it for ya, i would'nt wanna steal it.. mk1 isn't much my type. i have a 1991 mkII and i live in southeast Michigan. so.. as far as i know i'm the only one in the area. let me check how far away it is form me

[Tycoon788]

ouch.. half way up michigan thats even a drive for the Chicago guys...

[b.18tuner5875]

im originally from grand rapids michigan too bad im currently in the UP in houghton, in the middle of nowhere :

[deiselfuel2o2]

Ok...never knew people would be soo offensive here (Version135b)

I find that offensive sorry...I'm sure you take what i said offensively as well (sorry).

Next:

The moutain roads im talking about are how I get to work when I'm in college. Like its 27 miles to work and I know the turns by heart now. I know I will have an advantage if i can drift. Theres a line were the road tilts right and turns left but turns right again going uphill, so if I can drift the tilting road (pushing up as i steer the car straight) then i could stop drifting when the road lines up and hug the turn on the way up the hill. Thats why I want an Mr2, cuz AE86's cannot hug quickly after a drift. OMG u guys think drifting is pulling the e-brake and thats a wrap? Who said you need an e-brake in a RWD car to drift? This road requires you to drift if you wanna shave off anywhere from 1-2 minutes (like 60 to 65 turns) of total racing time. Its virtually impossible for someone to beat you in the same car without drifting. The only thing that scares me is the spinning out while decelerating or braking. Alot of the turns that are the sharpest are right after going down a short hill and btw there are no gard rails and plenty of cliff's LOL. So I'm pretty sure i hit gold by being able to get a free car that fits the description of what im looking for. Good gas mileage (w00t) and its a toyota. You guys sound like you want me to steer away from this car cuz I sound like im going to wreck it. Thanks for not looking at my driving record. You never go above 80-85 mph on the road. Some of the straights are pretty damn straight but not alot of them. Most turns are 40mph but could be 50 with the mr2 without drifting but like 60 with it drifting. Theres a 15 mile part that has a speed limit but the 12 miles after that have no speed limit/people. Theres another road as well that counter banks alot which goes to my friends college. I would rather drift a counter bank than do what you guys suggest and take the line.

Thanks for the help,


Regis

[deiselfuel2o2]

Grand Rapids sounds tight! I've never been there but sounds cool haha. Maybe when I go check it out some of you guys can come check it out, and if it dosnt start with new oil/battery/spark plugs/everything you need to make it start...you guys can have the tranny . Or fight for the tranny haha.

Well what would be a cheap mod other than CAI and pulley that would be beneficial for extra torque keeping it N/A? Cams?

[Raptor13x]

Originally Posted by deiselfuel2o2

Thanks for the drifting lesson. I have raced before (auto-cross/F3000) and I know the advantages of drifting over taking traditional lines. BUT I CAN GET THIS CAR FOR FREE AND ITS RWD.

I am no "stooopid" teen. I don't know much about engines but I can drive. If i can beat a v6 accord (yes FWD duh..) in a 90 hp FWD Hatchback on a 27 mile moutain road with no speed limit/population then im pretty sure I know how to drive. I know you did not know this, but I do not take "drifting is silly" as a compliment. If you want the car so bad just get another one, not my gift. I was trying to be nice on this forum, but you guys have a different kind of humor. Will get used to it w/e.

Otherwise thanks for the info for the Mid-engine RWd setup. I figured that it would have the same "characteristics" as f3000's but wasnt sure since its a road car. Drifting btw, is insanely beneficial in mountain roads. Not just for going faster (duh...) but for tricking your opponent. Example : FWD car hand brake drifting/down-shifting/counter steering/gunning it and smoke going everywhere will make your opponent slow down if already behind you LOL.
Maybe i am made for FWD cars...i know that sounds retarded but you are so far not letting me find out...

Why is it soo hard to get an answer to a question?
I just wanted to know the following: IS THIS A GOOD DEAL OR NOT?

thanks for the info/w.e help you gave me/greeting (lol?)


Regis...

No need to get all defensive about it.


You'll find that MR2 guys tend to be pretty strongly devoted to autocross and road course racing, and as such, we are fiercely opposed to any sort of front wheel drive, riced out nonsense, and/or drifting (as a spectacle). We generally discourage teenagers from buying MR2s, because our cars can be challenging to drive, and teenagers don't generally have the skill and maturity to handle it. They always think they do, but it's rarely the case. (I know I thought I was god's gift to driving when I was that age) We've seen countless new MR2 owners end up in a ditch/wall, and we don't want any more of our cars to die at the hands of immature drivers. That's the source of the attitude you're catching wind of.

Now, if you are a mature, intelligent person (and I say so with extreme reservation and doubts based on your comments and attitude), it's definitely worth it to fix up this MR2. I wouldn't bother spending $1500 on paint, but general maintenance and some elbow grease should do wonders for the car.

If the car is in good shape, and you decide not to go for it, I may very well be interested in buying it. I live in SE Michigan.

[mr.asian.m2]

i wouldn't get it. old car take alot of time and money to be put in. with school and stuff. be too hard for you. but, again...the only one that know the answer is you. depend on how much you want it or not.

[Maruki-kun]

Originally Posted by deiselfuel2o2

You never go above 80-85 mph on the road. Some of the straights are pretty damn straight but not alot of them. Most turns are 40mph but could be 50 with the mr2 without drifting but like 60 with it drifting.

you know, the 10MPH speed difference would be the tires spinning and having the speedo rise..



not to sound like a ****.... but here is my **** filled statement to you.

Drifting. for one, if you are going to complain about $3k to fix the car then you might want to look at how much money you WILL have to dump into the car to make it a decently set up drift car. I have driven a NA MK1 twice and I daily drive my MK2. STOCK they aren't any better drift cars then an "AE86" as you keep referring this "Corolla" as. actually you would be much better off with taking that 3k you'd spend fixing the car to make it work and buy a 240 or Miata which has a viscus LSD.


Lets review this short statement.

NA MR2's do NOT have what it takes to be a great "drift" car. they have probably the best potential drift cars that are cheap, but it would be a lot of money to push extra power out of the 4AGE (which isn't a great motor in the first place, unlike the 4AGZE) and then you'd need to add a LSD. and on top of that, update the 20+ year old suspension.

don't take a MK1 on a small budget to make it a fast "racer" car. take your money and make it a good collectible car. oh, and PS, if you try to drift a stock MK1 on a mountain in a fast manor, you will wreck it. someone who has no experience with a MR car needs to take it slow. ESPECIALLY with a MK1.



not saying don't do anything. **** for all I know, you could be the person Takumi is based on.


just my

[deiselfuel2o2]

Yea I was thinking it might be too much time and money for me at the moment. Lol i can let it sit another 4 years once I have the money. I love autocrossing to death man, do not get me wrong. Nothing better than beating a bMw in my mom's civic LOL. I got my SCCA license at 15 thanks to Jim Russel Racing school in California at the Infeneon Raceway getting 1min20 sec laps in a 127 hp open wheel mitsubishi F3000 (open cockpit duh). I was beating 40 year old porsche drivers. I know I sound like my attitude is fierce and bad, but i hate it when people assume i suck at driving. Im not like oo drifting looks good lets do it. No...when does it sound good to loose grip in a turn unless its a counter banked turn. To me that would be the only reason as to why you need to drift. If you look at the youtube video of a guy in his lancer Evo...he does 1min57sec laps in a 4wd car...my car was a rear engine (some of block stuck behind the wheels RWD) I didnt even have slicks on but hey atleast they let me let it rip. They let us drive the Rx7 engine platform one and it was like sex dude...slicks with downforce wings that actually worked lol = the shiznat. Braking was hard though cuz a fly could make the car U-turn if it landed on the steering wheel!

But for track events I would only autocross in it. Sometimes I run a lil late for work cuz I take the "backroad" to work. I could just drive 12 miles in a straight line, but who says I own a 7.0 liter V8 car only producing 400hp...

So if your worried about my driving, stop it, and help me out...

Thx for the look out though!

btw im 19 now so i've been driving for quite some time