How long would a swap take? - Page 3

mister3 · 02-15-2007, 05:23 AM

AT to manual + turbo swap will be more $$4 for sure as there is much more parts and labor required..... won't be too much extra though

flipsta · 02-15-2007, 08:22 PM

im planning to do this swap at the end of summer or by the latest the end of the year. Im excited!

TomsMR2 · 02-16-2007, 10:26 PM

gen3's dont pass smog. keep that in mind. its an absolutely illegal swap in all areas of california. the total lack of EGR is a pretty big give away. they'll scan your vin in, it'll come up as a 5SFE powered car, and they'll fail you before even driving onto the rollers.

go gen2 if you live in california, and have CRW drill it out for the EGR and proper smog stuff to legally pass the bar inspection

mister3 · 02-16-2007, 11:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TomsMR2

gen3's dont pass smog. keep that in mind. its an absolutely illegal swap in all areas of california. the total lack of EGR is a pretty big give away. they'll scan your vin in, it'll come up as a 5SFE powered car, and they'll fail you before even driving onto the rollers.

go gen2 if you live in california, and have CRW drill it out for the EGR and proper smog stuff to legally pass the bar inspection

agreed..... most smog shops can modify the screen for the engine in the car... from the VIN the default will be 5sfe for a NA car or MT for a manual trans car but it can be switched as long as whatever is in the car matches the options the machine gives..... they don't have a option for a v-6 but you have to have a state referee inspect it and give it a clean bill of health before it's legal to operate it on the highways in CA.

that being said... some smog guys are in such a hurry that they overlook the fact that the gen3 doesn't have a EGR... they figure it's under the intakemanifold, hard to get to so go through with the other visuals and then the tailpipe test. can oftentimes get away with passing at a smog shop but if it ever has to go to the state referee you're totally screwed... with a gen2 you're AOK

TomsMR2 · 02-16-2007, 11:41 PM

yup, gen3 means you have to rely on hoping you get a bad smog tech and never being pulled over.. imo thats a pretty rough way to go through car ownership!

no tech will notice a ct20b on a gen2 either

flipsta · 02-17-2007, 01:28 PM

in the other thread in this forum NA--> turbo josh said there was an extra fee to make it legal. 700 or something like that

mister3 · 02-18-2007, 03:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by flipsta

in the other thread in this forum NA--> turbo josh said there was an extra fee to make it legal. 700 or something like that

correct -- for the gen2 3sgte only. i cannot make the gen3 legal at all even if i tried. would never pass the ref with 2 EGR systems, 10 cats, etc.

the reason there is an extra fee to make it legal is that the JDM don't come with EGR so i have to source the entire EGR set up, modify the cylinder head for EGR port (requires removing alot of parts), modify the intake manifold for the EGR ports (requires removal)...... you know.. the fun, easy stuff =D

flipsta · 02-21-2007, 09:31 PM

ok well i do want my car to be at least a little legal. lol. so how much for a CA legal gen 2 swap?

mister3 · 02-23-2007, 01:43 PM

looking at right around $4900 out the door for a 91/92 clip installed CA smog legal

flipsta · 02-24-2007, 11:42 AM

the engines are still the lower mileage JDM one right? or am i buying a usdm one for that price?

mister3 · 02-24-2007, 02:42 PM

still the lower mileage JDM engines unless a USDM is specified (which are harder to get ahold of)

flipsta · 02-27-2007, 12:47 AM

sounds pretty good. how much more will the 93 with lsd run? its about 500 more than the 91/92 clip

mister3 · 02-27-2007, 04:59 AM

yes sir.. $500 more is correct + extra for the speedo drive (elect to manual)

atgueco · 05-30-2007, 09:43 PM

How will I know a Gen 3 from a Gen 2 3SGTE? And also how will I know if the transmission is LSD?

If I get a Gen 3 what shall I look to replace before having it installed? Please tell me if I missed anything.

Clutch Assembly
Front and Rear Main Seals
Cam Seals
Hose From Hell
Timing Belt
Water Pump
Do I need a tensioner assembly or just a new spring?
New Spark Plugs

Alex

mister3 · 05-31-2007, 03:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by atgueco

How will I know a Gen 3 from a Gen 2 3SGTE? And also how will I know if the transmission is LSD?

If I get a Gen 3 what shall I look to replace before having it installed? Please tell me if I missed anything.

Clutch Assembly
Front and Rear Main Seals
Cam Seals
Hose From Hell
Timing Belt
Water Pump
Do I need a tensioner assembly or just a new spring?
New Spark Plugs

Alex

when doing swaps we recommend replacing these items... gen2 or 3:

timing belt
water pump
thermostat
HFH
HFHOE
cam seals
rear main seal
plugs
wires
cap
rotor
clutch kit
resurface flywheel
fuel pump walbro 255lph (gen2 or gen2 if doing mods and 15+psi boost)
oil (9 qt)
oil filter (x2)
coolant
trans gear oil
possibly one or both axle seals

atgueco · 05-31-2007, 09:54 PM

What is an HFHOE?

Quote:

Originally Posted by mister3

when doing swaps we recommend replacing these items... gen2 or 3:

timing belt
water pump
thermostat
HFH
HFHOE
cam seals
rear main seal
plugs
wires
cap
rotor
clutch kit
resurface flywheel
fuel pump walbro 255lph (gen2 or gen2 if doing mods and 15+psi boost)
oil (9 qt)
oil filter (x2)
coolant
trans gear oil
possibly one or both axle seals

mister3 · 06-01-2007, 05:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by atgueco

What is an HFHOE?

hose from hell on earth... it's the "U" shaped line from the water pump to oil cooler... real bitch to get at behind the a/c compressor

amoss · 07-10-2007, 06:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mister3

when doing swaps we recommend replacing these items... gen2 or 3:

timing belt
water pump
thermostat
HFH
HFHOE
cam seals
rear main seal
plugs
wires
cap
rotor
clutch kit
resurface flywheel
fuel pump walbro 255lph (gen2 or gen2 if doing mods and 15+psi boost)
oil (9 qt)
oil filter (x2)
coolant
trans gear oil
possibly one or both axle seals

New guy here. I've been considering this swap as well. Just curious - how
much are you talking about "out the door" with the above items taken care
of?

05-30-2007, 09:43 PM	#54 (permalink)
atgueco No Skills Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 34 Thanks: 2 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	Gen 3 MR2 Turbo Swap How will I know a Gen 3 from a Gen 2 3SGTE? And also how will I know if the transmission is LSD? If I get a Gen 3 what shall I look to replace before having it installed? Please tell me if I missed anything. Clutch Assembly Front and Rear Main Seals Cam Seals Hose From Hell Timing Belt Water Pump Do I need a tensioner assembly or just a new spring? New Spark Plugs Alex

02-15-2007, 05:23 AM	#41 (permalink)
mister3 garageCRW Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: www.garageCRW.com Posts: 447 Thanks: 0 Thanked 8 Times in 8 Posts My Google Map iTrader Rating: (7/100% )	AT to manual + turbo swap will be more $$4 for sure as there is much more parts and labor required..... won't be too much extra though

02-15-2007, 08:22 PM	#42 (permalink)
flipsta hardtop ftw Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Oceanside Posts: 118 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post iTrader Rating: (1/100% )	im planning to do this swap at the end of summer or by the latest the end of the year. Im excited!

02-16-2007, 10:26 PM	#43 (permalink)
TomsMR2 Formerly Tom Brokaw Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Bay Area Posts: 2,136 Thanks: 8 Thanked 165 Times in 138 Posts Blog Entries: 1 iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	gen3's dont pass smog. keep that in mind. its an absolutely illegal swap in all areas of california. the total lack of EGR is a pretty big give away. they'll scan your vin in, it'll come up as a 5SFE powered car, and they'll fail you before even driving onto the rollers. go gen2 if you live in california, and have CRW drill it out for the EGR and proper smog stuff to legally pass the bar inspection

02-16-2007, 11:41 PM	#45 (permalink)
TomsMR2 Formerly Tom Brokaw Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Bay Area Posts: 2,136 Thanks: 8 Thanked 165 Times in 138 Posts Blog Entries: 1 iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	yup, gen3 means you have to rely on hoping you get a bad smog tech and never being pulled over.. imo thats a pretty rough way to go through car ownership! no tech will notice a ct20b on a gen2 either

02-17-2007, 01:28 PM	#46 (permalink)
flipsta hardtop ftw Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Oceanside Posts: 118 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post iTrader Rating: (1/100% )	in the other thread in this forum NA--> turbo josh said there was an extra fee to make it legal. 700 or something like that

02-21-2007, 09:31 PM	#48 (permalink)
flipsta hardtop ftw Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Oceanside Posts: 118 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post iTrader Rating: (1/100% )	ok well i do want my car to be at least a little legal. lol. so how much for a CA legal gen 2 swap?

02-23-2007, 01:43 PM	#49 (permalink)
mister3 garageCRW Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: www.garageCRW.com Posts: 447 Thanks: 0 Thanked 8 Times in 8 Posts My Google Map iTrader Rating: (7/100% )	looking at right around $4900 out the door for a 91/92 clip installed CA smog legal

02-24-2007, 11:42 AM	#50 (permalink)
flipsta hardtop ftw Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Oceanside Posts: 118 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post iTrader Rating: (1/100% )	the engines are still the lower mileage JDM one right? or am i buying a usdm one for that price?

02-24-2007, 02:42 PM	#51 (permalink)
mister3 garageCRW Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: www.garageCRW.com Posts: 447 Thanks: 0 Thanked 8 Times in 8 Posts My Google Map iTrader Rating: (7/100% )	still the lower mileage JDM engines unless a USDM is specified (which are harder to get ahold of)

02-27-2007, 12:47 AM	#52 (permalink)
flipsta hardtop ftw Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Oceanside Posts: 118 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post iTrader Rating: (1/100% )	sounds pretty good. how much more will the 93 with lsd run? its about 500 more than the 91/92 clip

02-27-2007, 04:59 AM	#53 (permalink)
mister3 garageCRW Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: www.garageCRW.com Posts: 447 Thanks: 0 Thanked 8 Times in 8 Posts My Google Map iTrader Rating: (7/100% )	yes sir.. $500 more is correct + extra for the speedo drive (elect to manual)