E-manage question

yota_turbo_boy · 11-22-2006, 02:46 PM

so i was wondering if the e-manage blue will over ride the factory boost cut??

Enthalpy · 11-23-2006, 02:02 PM

By itself, it won't. The way to override the boost cut is to unplug the manifold vacuum line, but don't unplug the MAP sensor. Don't cap off the MAP sensor, rather leave the filter on it and leave it open to atmosphere.

The E-manage will poorly control your fueling, over advance your ignition and add boost lag to your setup. That's pretty much it.

Weasy2k · 11-25-2006, 08:17 PM

^ SOLD on the emanage...thats something i defantly want!

You serious about beating boost cut that way?

hell_rider · 11-25-2006, 08:54 PM

i like the new e-manage ultimate. i was told that it will give me 50rhp just by adding it and programming it correctly to a proffesional

Weasy2k · 11-26-2006, 02:27 AM

^ your joking right?

hell_rider · 11-26-2006, 07:28 AM

no lol i'm serious ! atleast thats what i was told from my mechanic its like driving a diff car !

Weasy2k · 11-26-2006, 01:43 PM

ask him how...hahah that would be funny!!!
normally i would say 10-20 is possible with timing adjustments but the 3s isnt the happiest with timing.

hell_rider · 11-26-2006, 02:00 PM

hehehe i'm talking about taking the car to the dyno after installing the e-manage and have it configured there propperly

Weasy2k · 11-26-2006, 03:03 PM

yea but i still dont see you making 50hp on the emanage alone...are you talking about raising the boost too?

Enthalpy · 11-26-2006, 05:29 PM

You won't make nearly that much! You make more power by using a piggyback to remove some of the safety margin Toyota programmed into the stock ECU. Do you really think Toyota detuned this setup by 30%? Of course not. I don't know any OEM who puts THAT much margin in.

hell_rider · 11-26-2006, 05:52 PM

i have no ideas lol . what i do know is that it makes alot of difference in a car.. i've seen it installed on an OEM turbo car that only had an IC, was automatic and it was mad !! First gear wouldn't stop spinning and it was an 13 horse turbo !

Weasy2k · 11-26-2006, 08:43 PM

something else had to be done as well...as far as i know you cant even advance timing in the emanage! AFR alone does not really make power at all..timing is the key figure in everything.

Like i said i could understand if boost was turned up and the emanage helped poorly control the fuel...but just slapping a piggyabck ;like that on it WONT happen on a mr2.

hell_rider · 11-26-2006, 10:43 PM

hmm dunno then lol i'll ask my new mechanic and let you know

breadbooze · 08-04-2007, 11:00 AM

The emanage is crap for MR2's. I speak from experience. There is VERY limited latitude with tuning and uses all sorts of odd units to make changes. You never really know what it's doing with the ignition timing. And you'll mostly rely on "tricks" to get it working okay.

Btw you can advance timing, but you can't retard. The trick is to retard base timing by 2-4 degrees then advance it with the emanage.

Playing with the AEM, it is a night and day difference. Download both the AEM and Greddy programs and see for yourself.

Weasy2k · 08-08-2007, 02:34 AM

^ you can advance but not retard? Thats retarded...

breadbooze · 08-08-2007, 09:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Weasy2k

^ you can advance but not retard? Thats retarded...

Supposedly you can retard 20 degrees. In reality with the MR2 it maxes out at 3-4 degrees retard. Not very effective.

11-22-2006, 02:46 PM	#1 (permalink)
yota_turbo_boy No Skills Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 77 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader Rating: (1/100% )	E-manage question so i was wondering if the e-manage blue will over ride the factory boost cut??

11-25-2006, 08:17 PM	#3 (permalink)
Weasy2k 3.4L 10K RPM In the works Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Vancouver, BC Posts: 8,886 Thanks: 34 Thanked 76 Times in 65 Posts iTrader Rating: (6/100% )	^ SOLD on the emanage...thats something i defantly want! You serious about beating boost cut that way? __________________ -Johnny @ Sea2Sky Tuning - www.sea2skytuning.com http://www.mr2.com/forums/sea2sky-tu...-out-sale.html

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11-23-2006, 02:02 PM	#2 (permalink)
Enthalpy EMS Harmonizer Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 1,211 Thanks: 8 Thanked 53 Times in 42 Posts My Google Map iTrader Rating: (2/100% )	By itself, it won't. The way to override the boost cut is to unplug the manifold vacuum line, but don't unplug the MAP sensor. Don't cap off the MAP sensor, rather leave the filter on it and leave it open to atmosphere. The E-manage will poorly control your fueling, over advance your ignition and add boost lag to your setup. That's pretty much it.

11-25-2006, 08:54 PM	#4 (permalink)
hell_rider Streetracing Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Cyprus Posts: 102 Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	i like the new e-manage ultimate. i was told that it will give me 50rhp just by adding it and programming it correctly to a proffesional

11-26-2006, 02:27 AM	#5 (permalink)
Weasy2k 3.4L 10K RPM In the works Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Vancouver, BC Posts: 8,886 Thanks: 34 Thanked 76 Times in 65 Posts iTrader Rating: (6/100% )	^ your joking right?

11-26-2006, 07:28 AM	#6 (permalink)
hell_rider Streetracing Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Cyprus Posts: 102 Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	no lol i'm serious ! atleast thats what i was told from my mechanic its like driving a diff car !

11-26-2006, 01:43 PM	#7 (permalink)
Weasy2k 3.4L 10K RPM In the works Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Vancouver, BC Posts: 8,886 Thanks: 34 Thanked 76 Times in 65 Posts iTrader Rating: (6/100% )	ask him how...hahah that would be funny!!! normally i would say 10-20 is possible with timing adjustments but the 3s isnt the happiest with timing.

11-26-2006, 02:00 PM	#8 (permalink)
hell_rider Streetracing Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Cyprus Posts: 102 Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	hehehe i'm talking about taking the car to the dyno after installing the e-manage and have it configured there propperly

11-26-2006, 03:03 PM	#9 (permalink)
Weasy2k 3.4L 10K RPM In the works Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Vancouver, BC Posts: 8,886 Thanks: 34 Thanked 76 Times in 65 Posts iTrader Rating: (6/100% )	yea but i still dont see you making 50hp on the emanage alone...are you talking about raising the boost too?

11-26-2006, 05:29 PM	#10 (permalink)
Enthalpy EMS Harmonizer Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 1,211 Thanks: 8 Thanked 53 Times in 42 Posts My Google Map iTrader Rating: (2/100% )	You won't make nearly that much! You make more power by using a piggyback to remove some of the safety margin Toyota programmed into the stock ECU. Do you really think Toyota detuned this setup by 30%? Of course not. I don't know any OEM who puts THAT much margin in.

11-26-2006, 05:52 PM	#11 (permalink)
hell_rider Streetracing Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Cyprus Posts: 102 Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	i have no ideas lol . what i do know is that it makes alot of difference in a car.. i've seen it installed on an OEM turbo car that only had an IC, was automatic and it was mad !! First gear wouldn't stop spinning and it was an 13 horse turbo !

11-26-2006, 08:43 PM	#12 (permalink)
Weasy2k 3.4L 10K RPM In the works Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Vancouver, BC Posts: 8,886 Thanks: 34 Thanked 76 Times in 65 Posts iTrader Rating: (6/100% )	something else had to be done as well...as far as i know you cant even advance timing in the emanage! AFR alone does not really make power at all..timing is the key figure in everything. Like i said i could understand if boost was turned up and the emanage helped poorly control the fuel...but just slapping a piggyabck ;like that on it WONT happen on a mr2.

11-26-2006, 10:43 PM	#13 (permalink)
hell_rider Streetracing Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Cyprus Posts: 102 Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	hmm dunno then lol i'll ask my new mechanic and let you know

08-04-2007, 11:00 AM	#14 (permalink)
breadbooze Benevolent Dictator Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: NYC sometimes Posts: 282 Thanks: 1 Thanked 25 Times in 23 Posts iTrader Rating: (1/100% )	The emanage is crap for MR2's. I speak from experience. There is VERY limited latitude with tuning and uses all sorts of odd units to make changes. You never really know what it's doing with the ignition timing. And you'll mostly rely on "tricks" to get it working okay. Btw you can advance timing, but you can't retard. The trick is to retard base timing by 2-4 degrees then advance it with the emanage. Playing with the AEM, it is a night and day difference. Download both the AEM and Greddy programs and see for yourself.

08-08-2007, 02:34 AM	#15 (permalink)
Weasy2k 3.4L 10K RPM In the works Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Vancouver, BC Posts: 8,886 Thanks: 34 Thanked 76 Times in 65 Posts iTrader Rating: (6/100% )	^ you can advance but not retard? Thats retarded...