best 4 cylinder swap

mr2silvertop · 03-12-2007, 05:30 PM

I am wondering what the best 4 cylinder swap is. I myself have done the silvertop 20v.I am happy with the engine but parts and information is hard come by at times. I was wondering which 4 cyl. swap has the greatest potential (staying with toyota motors) the scion tc 2-az engine with a great following already and almost unlimited parts and interest,the experienced 3sgte with years of modding, 5sfe just throwin it out there, later 2zz celica gts, the 4age variations, or maybe others i did not mention just getting some ideas. thanks for feedback

mr220v · 03-12-2007, 05:39 PM

If we're talking about engines that fit without relocating mounts, or cutting firewalls, then I would say 2zzge for sure.

If you're up for a lot of cutting welding and fabricating, a 3sgte is the best.

Series of Toyota engines that will fit a mk1 with a reasonable amount of ease:
-A series
-E series
-ZZ series

Series of Toyota engines that don't fit all that easily:
-S
-AZ
-RZ
etc.....

TTR Dboss · 03-18-2007, 03:59 AM

hey guys im new to this forum and i have a question.My dad gave me a 1989 toyota Mr2 1.6L not SC and i was wonderin if it was possible to swap the 1.6L for a 2.0 Turbo from a Mk2 model?I would also want to know if thats a good idea or theres some better swaps possible.

mr2silvertop · 03-18-2007, 12:42 PM

that really has alot to do w/ budget,mechanical experience, and just how much work you want to put into it. you can see what engines are easiest to use in mr220v's post

Weasy2k · 03-21-2007, 01:14 AM

HA i was just about ot post a thread called
"GET RID OF THE 3s/4a...put in something better!"
Inside would be the 2az-fe swap idea....

I planned to do this with my MKI but i have had a turn of events here where i can no longer keep the MKI and the MKII. (The MKII has the v6 swap already on its way so i have to continue on that)

So that sucks because i was just about finished getting a deal on a 2az engine

SOMEONE DO IT

Oteck · 03-21-2007, 04:17 PM

best 4cyl? put in a 5sfe

mr220v · 03-21-2007, 04:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oteck

best 4cyl? put in a 5sfe

What are you talking about? The 4efe or the 3ee is by far the best. Maybe a 5afe.

canadam · 03-21-2007, 05:48 PM

3ee FTW

JDM nerd · 03-21-2007, 06:20 PM

2jzgte...i wish

NIXmx · 03-21-2007, 07:21 PM

1GZ-FE < anything else.

seven_mgte · 03-22-2007, 06:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JDM nerd

2jzgte...i wish

not exactly a 4 cylinder now is it.

Weasy2k · 03-29-2007, 01:47 AM

2az-fe do it

Alex...now

TomsMR2 · 03-29-2007, 02:00 AM

the 2az sucks a LOT more than you give it credit for weasy

i wouldnt wish that pos on anyone. driving a scion was a huge letdown. a modern motor shouldnt fail up top as horribly as that thing does. its got 5sfe top end, and the 5sfe doesnt have any sort of variable timing.

i think the zz motors would be a great choice.. very light and have a reasonable amount of power.. or you can boost the hell out of them. still a light setup.

Weasy2k · 04-01-2007, 06:48 PM

They are designed to be tunable...take a look at all the major manufactures of high performance parts...they all stock high and low compression pistons, there is turbo kits, manifolds, heck even ITBS....

They weigh less then more 4bangers and the E series that it bolts onto is also lighter (apparently)

ToyotaTechGeek · 04-01-2007, 08:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by canadam

3ee FTW

hey, don't joke! i have campaigned a 3E for many years in my EL31!

blown59 · 04-03-2007, 11:26 PM

I agree with mr220v, the 2ZZ is by far the best engine you can put in the car with little fab work. There is only one mount to mess with.

The complete engine/trans assembly is ~70lbs lighter than the 4A (thats like removing a sack of concrete from the engine bay). Engine is much lighter, C160 is slightly heavier as it has a larger case and an extra gear.

Oh, and it puts out about 65-70 hp more at the wheels. Sure, you build a MK1.5 which will take far more work to install and have MORE weight with a few extra hp. And, while he is still trying to complete the install, your having fun driving your car.

03-12-2007, 05:30 PM	#1 (permalink)
mr2silvertop the guy w/da mr2 Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: dallas,georgia Posts: 183 Thanks: 3 Thanked 7 Times in 7 Posts iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	best 4 cylinder swap I am wondering what the best 4 cylinder swap is. I myself have done the silvertop 20v.I am happy with the engine but parts and information is hard come by at times. I was wondering which 4 cyl. swap has the greatest potential (staying with toyota motors) the scion tc 2-az engine with a great following already and almost unlimited parts and interest,the experienced 3sgte with years of modding, 5sfe just throwin it out there, later 2zz celica gts, the 4age variations, or maybe others i did not mention just getting some ideas. thanks for feedback

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Weasy2k 3.4L 10K RPM In the works Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Vancouver, BC Posts: 8,895 Thanks: 34 Thanked 80 Times in 66 Posts iTrader Rating: (9/100% )	HA i was just about ot post a thread called "GET RID OF THE 3s/4a...put in something better!" Inside would be the 2az-fe swap idea.... I planned to do this with my MKI but i have had a turn of events here where i can no longer keep the MKI and the MKII. (The MKII has the v6 swap already on its way so i have to continue on that) So that sucks because i was just about finished getting a deal on a 2az engine SOMEONE DO IT __________________ -Johnny @ Sea2Sky Tuning - www.sea2skytuning.com http://www.mr2.com/forums/sea2sky-tu...-out-sale.html

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canadam MidshipExpress Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Beautiful British Columbia Posts: 9,549 Thanks: 117 Thanked 129 Times in 112 Posts My Google Map iTrader Rating: (29/100% )	3ee FTW __________________ WTB ASAP: Black Glove Box Surround - Not the box itself, but the dash plastics it sits in 3SGTE Upper Timing Belt Cover Driver's side seatback - must have bolster and lumbar adjustments, cover condition does not matter - will trade non-adjustable. Genuine Tom's Sides and Rear - replica kits not considered Frunk Plastics - no cracks Mechanical Gauge Cluster - KP/H preferred, but not required. Engine Bay X Brace

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blown59 MR2ZZ-GE w/ 6spd Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 91 Thanks: 0 Thanked 14 Times in 7 Posts iTrader Rating: (1/100% )	I agree with mr220v, the 2ZZ is by far the best engine you can put in the car with little fab work. There is only one mount to mess with. The complete engine/trans assembly is ~70lbs lighter than the 4A (thats like removing a sack of concrete from the engine bay). Engine is much lighter, C160 is slightly heavier as it has a larger case and an extra gear. Oh, and it puts out about 65-70 hp more at the wheels. Sure, you build a MK1.5 which will take far more work to install and have MORE weight with a few extra hp. And, while he is still trying to complete the install, your having fun driving your car. Last edited by blown59; 08-24-2007 at 02:42 AM.

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03-12-2007, 05:39 PM	#2 (permalink)
mr220v Beams Owners Group Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 1,791 Thanks: 13 Thanked 139 Times in 117 Posts iTrader Rating: (9/100% )	If we're talking about engines that fit without relocating mounts, or cutting firewalls, then I would say 2zzge for sure. If you're up for a lot of cutting welding and fabricating, a 3sgte is the best. Series of Toyota engines that will fit a mk1 with a reasonable amount of ease: -A series -E series -ZZ series Series of Toyota engines that don't fit all that easily: -S -AZ -RZ etc.....

03-18-2007, 03:59 AM	#3 (permalink)
TTR Dboss No Skills Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 1 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	hey guys im new to this forum and i have a question.My dad gave me a 1989 toyota Mr2 1.6L not SC and i was wonderin if it was possible to swap the 1.6L for a 2.0 Turbo from a Mk2 model?I would also want to know if thats a good idea or theres some better swaps possible.

03-18-2007, 12:42 PM	#4 (permalink)
mr2silvertop the guy w/da mr2 Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: dallas,georgia Posts: 183 Thanks: 3 Thanked 7 Times in 7 Posts iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	that really has alot to do w/ budget,mechanical experience, and just how much work you want to put into it. you can see what engines are easiest to use in mr220v's post

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Oteck RAAAGE! Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 2,151 Thanks: 8 Thanked 60 Times in 57 Posts Blog Entries: 2 iTrader Rating: (3/100% )	best 4cyl? put in a 5sfe

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JDM nerd No Skills Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 6 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	2jzgte...i wish

03-21-2007, 07:21 PM	#10 (permalink)
NIXmx I eat rice(ers). Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Las Vegas, NV Posts: 193 Thanks: 9 Thanked 3 Times in 2 Posts My Google Map iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	1GZ-FE < anything else.

03-29-2007, 01:47 AM	#12 (permalink)
Weasy2k 3.4L 10K RPM In the works Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Vancouver, BC Posts: 8,895 Thanks: 34 Thanked 80 Times in 66 Posts iTrader Rating: (9/100% )	2az-fe do it Alex...now

03-29-2007, 02:00 AM	#13 (permalink)
TomsMR2 Formerly Tom Brokaw Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Bay Area Posts: 2,497 Thanks: 8 Thanked 233 Times in 168 Posts Blog Entries: 1 iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	the 2az sucks a LOT more than you give it credit for weasy i wouldnt wish that pos on anyone. driving a scion was a huge letdown. a modern motor shouldnt fail up top as horribly as that thing does. its got 5sfe top end, and the 5sfe doesnt have any sort of variable timing. i think the zz motors would be a great choice.. very light and have a reasonable amount of power.. or you can boost the hell out of them. still a light setup.

04-01-2007, 06:48 PM	#14 (permalink)
Weasy2k 3.4L 10K RPM In the works Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Vancouver, BC Posts: 8,895 Thanks: 34 Thanked 80 Times in 66 Posts iTrader Rating: (9/100% )	They are designed to be tunable...take a look at all the major manufactures of high performance parts...they all stock high and low compression pistons, there is turbo kits, manifolds, heck even ITBS.... They weigh less then more 4bangers and the E series that it bolts onto is also lighter (apparently)