4E-FTE swap

DCKilla · 05-15-2009, 12:35 AM

Has anyone thought about this engine swap before? It uses a C56 transmission. So, all you have left is the passenger side mount to mess with. I think it makes a 135hp and 116ft/lbs. I'm just throwing out ideas. It would be interesting to see. Turn up the boost and upgrade the injectors then you'll have yourself a "4agze" for cheap. Plus, it'd be cool to see how much boost you can run though the thing.

ebouwman · 05-15-2009, 02:30 AM

what is the 4e-fte from anyways?

mr220v · 05-15-2009, 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by DCKilla

Has anyone thought about this engine swap before?

Yes, actually a whole lot.....that's all i'm going to say right now.

328FTW · 05-15-2009, 09:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ebouwman

what is the 4e-fte from anyways?

4E-FTE 1.3l DOHC 4cyl EFI 16-valve engine from a starlet GT. They run about ~8psi boost stock I think.

sickof5sfe · 05-15-2009, 09:13 AM

4efte comes from the toyota starlet i believe.

ebouwman · 05-15-2009, 12:30 PM

so strictly jdm?

Sounds like an interesting engine to run, if you could get a little more power out of it, but really thats already more powerfull than the 4age... and probably a fair bit lighter...

DCKilla · 05-15-2009, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by mr220v

Yes, actually a whole lot.....that's all i'm going to say right now.

Don't tell me you plan on pulling your 20v to be replaced by this motor.

mr220v · 05-15-2009, 01:46 PM

Uhhhh no.

It will be a surprise. Nothing I'm doing to my car.

WALKA · 05-15-2009, 03:46 PM

the 4e-fte is a direct bolt in a toyota tercel, to give you an idea of what that engine is meant for. putting it in an mr2 i think would be a waste of time with the more powerful options out there. i mean its a turbo 4cylinder that makes less power than a 5s. I would feel like turbo'ing the 4agze would be way more practical and put out way more power mod for mod. i went from the tercel background to the mr2 and have some history with this motor. People in the tercel world have found they can get way more power out of a 5efhe (stock motor is the 5efe for 95+ tercel's) with the "H" meaning higher compression pistons, bigger cams, and bigger displacement (1.5>1.3) so having a 1.6 that bolts in i would be really surprised to see people go this direction.

DCKilla · 05-15-2009, 05:05 PM

Yes, you would do better off with other swaps including 20v which directly bolt in. There might be someone out there looking to run with it and seeing what it can do in a mk1. My hats off to anyone who at least tries.

ebouwman · 05-15-2009, 05:13 PM

whats one of those engines worth is a pretty big question, i just looked it up on a jdm importer site (googled it

) they want about 1200 usd for it, for that you could almost get a 4agze, so ya WALKA is kinda right...

DCKilla · 05-15-2009, 05:31 PM

$799 at Jhot

Recklesss · 05-15-2009, 05:57 PM

ya that engine came out of those turbo starlets. its FF, and is meant for TINY cars that are trying to stay lightweight.

as I understand it handles boost well, most people that opt for that engine end up putting it into something like a Tercel or the post hachiroku corollas...

ebouwman · 05-15-2009, 05:58 PM

anyone know what the weight diffence is between that engine and the 4age?

Recklesss · 05-15-2009, 05:59 PM

ebouwman · 05-15-2009, 06:01 PM

Holy crap! 210 HP from a 1.3??

5 million dollars later...

mhamrick · 05-15-2009, 09:05 PM

This would not be a bad swap at all. They are lighter to start with and can take some good boost. They rev nicely (redline at the same RPM) and they also make peak power at the same RPM as the stock GE. Yes you can make more power out of other motors but I would bet you can make 180hp out the 4EFTE properly built with just bolt ons. They sold a 5EFHE motor in the US and that bumps the displacement up to 1.4liters and I think you can also bore it a bit to get it closer. This motor with a T25 would make excellent power, throttle response, dependability, weight, revs, etc, etc.

I thought about this awhile back but was told there is better options. You can buy a complete motor from tigerjapanese for less but you have to locate wiring, ECU and some other parts. However I would say you could get a street built MR2 with this motor and make 180hp and have the cars total weight less than 2200lbs which is pretty darn good.

The internals are extremely tough. I was told it is best to start with a 5EFHE and swap in the 4EFTE pistons. You will have to work on the mounts but it should make a good little motor for hp levels around 200hp and improve braking and handling (do to lower total car weight).

Mister.2 · 05-15-2009, 10:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ebouwman

Holy crap! 210 HP from a 1.3??

5 million dollars later...

actually you are wrong.they can be run at over 200 bhp very easilly.the 4efte has great potential.ders a guy in my town running a starlet at 287 bhp at 1.2 bar boost.it makes 350 bhp at 1.8 bar.
have a look at some of these....

Toyota : starlet gt turbo fully forged 320bhp
Toyota : ** BLACK TOYOTA STARLET EP91 -TD04 HYBRID 238 bhp
Toyota : JAM fully forged td04 glanza...evo eater!
Toyota : Starlet Glanza EP91 200+bhp
Toyota : HRF, FORGED GT
Toyota : starlet gt turbo 200bhp white

http://www.toyotagtturbo.com/forums/index.php...this is where the real machines are...

ebouwman · 05-16-2009, 12:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mister.2

actually you are wrong.they can be run at over 200 bhp very easilly.the 4efte has great potential.ders a guy in my town running a starlet at 287 bhp at 1.2 bar boost.it makes 350 bhp at 1.8 bar.
have a look at some of these....

Toyota : starlet gt turbo fully forged 320bhp
Toyota : ** BLACK TOYOTA STARLET EP91 -TD04 HYBRID 238 bhp
Toyota : JAM fully forged td04 glanza...evo eater!
Toyota : Starlet Glanza EP91 200+bhp
Toyota : HRF, FORGED GT
Toyota : starlet gt turbo 200bhp white

http://www.toyotagtturbo.com/forums/index.php...this is where the real machines are...

I didn't say it was impossible, and by saying "5 million dollars later" it was an exaggeration. But still, filling it with forged internals is NOT cheap i can only assume.

WALKA · 05-16-2009, 09:21 AM

o ok well if its weight i guess i can see, but there are some locals that are big tercel nuts. Most people drop the 4e cause of the lack of torque they have COMPARED to the 5efe.

TercelOnline.com Board - MD4E's 5EFTE Powered Tercel WIP (LOTS OF PICS!) - Powered by XMB

here is a build that got a 5e over 300hp being that its a tercel motor its everywhere. you could probly pick that thing up for $50 and throw some internals in there pretty easily like this guy. i havent seen one of these builds go over 400hp before but i have seen a 4agze go way over that. so i was just saying the power would make up for the weight. like this thread
TercelOnline.com Board - My Terc TOOK a trip... completed 4agte swap, 402 whp at 30psi - Powered by XMB
this tercel got over 400hp with the 4a motor.

guess it depends on if you just want something unique

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DCKilla Some Skills Join Date: May 2008 Location: Pearl, MS Posts: 94 Thanks: 1 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	4E-FTE swap Has anyone thought about this engine swap before? It uses a C56 transmission. So, all you have left is the passenger side mount to mess with. I think it makes a 135hp and 116ft/lbs. I'm just throwing out ideas. It would be interesting to see. Turn up the boost and upgrade the injectors then you'll have yourself a "4agze" for cheap. Plus, it'd be cool to see how much boost you can run though the thing. Last edited by DCKilla; 05-15-2009 at 12:57 AM.

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05-15-2009, 02:30 AM	#2 (permalink)
ebouwman Curve Hugger Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: BC, Canada Posts: 1,390 Thanks: 18 Thanked 48 Times in 48 Posts My Google Map iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	what is the 4e-fte from anyways?

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sickof5sfe doing a secret build >:D Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Richfield Minnesota Posts: 363 Thanks: 11 Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts iTrader Rating: (1/100% )	4efte comes from the toyota starlet i believe.

05-15-2009, 12:30 PM	#6 (permalink)
ebouwman Curve Hugger Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: BC, Canada Posts: 1,390 Thanks: 18 Thanked 48 Times in 48 Posts My Google Map iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	so strictly jdm? Sounds like an interesting engine to run, if you could get a little more power out of it, but really thats already more powerfull than the 4age... and probably a fair bit lighter...

05-15-2009, 01:46 PM	#8 (permalink)
mr220v Beams Owners Group Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 1,791 Thanks: 13 Thanked 139 Times in 117 Posts iTrader Rating: (8/100% )	Uhhhh no. It will be a surprise. Nothing I'm doing to my car.

05-15-2009, 03:46 PM	#9 (permalink)
WALKA No Skills Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 47 Thanks: 2 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post iTrader Rating: (1/100% )	the 4e-fte is a direct bolt in a toyota tercel, to give you an idea of what that engine is meant for. putting it in an mr2 i think would be a waste of time with the more powerful options out there. i mean its a turbo 4cylinder that makes less power than a 5s. I would feel like turbo'ing the 4agze would be way more practical and put out way more power mod for mod. i went from the tercel background to the mr2 and have some history with this motor. People in the tercel world have found they can get way more power out of a 5efhe (stock motor is the 5efe for 95+ tercel's) with the "H" meaning higher compression pistons, bigger cams, and bigger displacement (1.5>1.3) so having a 1.6 that bolts in i would be really surprised to see people go this direction.

05-15-2009, 05:05 PM	#10 (permalink)
DCKilla Some Skills Join Date: May 2008 Location: Pearl, MS Posts: 94 Thanks: 1 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	Yes, you would do better off with other swaps including 20v which directly bolt in. There might be someone out there looking to run with it and seeing what it can do in a mk1. My hats off to anyone who at least tries.

05-15-2009, 05:13 PM	#11 (permalink)
ebouwman Curve Hugger Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: BC, Canada Posts: 1,390 Thanks: 18 Thanked 48 Times in 48 Posts My Google Map iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	whats one of those engines worth is a pretty big question, i just looked it up on a jdm importer site (googled it ) they want about 1200 usd for it, for that you could almost get a 4agze, so ya WALKA is kinda right...

05-15-2009, 05:31 PM	#12 (permalink)
DCKilla Some Skills Join Date: May 2008 Location: Pearl, MS Posts: 94 Thanks: 1 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	$799 at Jhot

05-15-2009, 05:57 PM	#13 (permalink)
Recklesss Ruler of Signatures Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Oregon Posts: 359 Thanks: 6 Thanked 7 Times in 6 Posts iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	ya that engine came out of those turbo starlets. its FF, and is meant for TINY cars that are trying to stay lightweight. as I understand it handles boost well, most people that opt for that engine end up putting it into something like a Tercel or the post hachiroku corollas...

05-15-2009, 05:58 PM	#14 (permalink)
ebouwman Curve Hugger Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: BC, Canada Posts: 1,390 Thanks: 18 Thanked 48 Times in 48 Posts My Google Map iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	anyone know what the weight diffence is between that engine and the 4age?

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Recklesss Ruler of Signatures Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Oregon Posts: 359 Thanks: 6 Thanked 7 Times in 6 Posts iTrader Rating: (0/0% )

05-15-2009, 06:01 PM	#16 (permalink)
ebouwman Curve Hugger Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: BC, Canada Posts: 1,390 Thanks: 18 Thanked 48 Times in 48 Posts My Google Map iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	Holy crap! 210 HP from a 1.3?? 5 million dollars later...

05-15-2009, 09:05 PM	#17 (permalink)
mhamrick Some Skills Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 51 Thanks: 1 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	This would not be a bad swap at all. They are lighter to start with and can take some good boost. They rev nicely (redline at the same RPM) and they also make peak power at the same RPM as the stock GE. Yes you can make more power out of other motors but I would bet you can make 180hp out the 4EFTE properly built with just bolt ons. They sold a 5EFHE motor in the US and that bumps the displacement up to 1.4liters and I think you can also bore it a bit to get it closer. This motor with a T25 would make excellent power, throttle response, dependability, weight, revs, etc, etc. I thought about this awhile back but was told there is better options. You can buy a complete motor from tigerjapanese for less but you have to locate wiring, ECU and some other parts. However I would say you could get a street built MR2 with this motor and make 180hp and have the cars total weight less than 2200lbs which is pretty darn good. The internals are extremely tough. I was told it is best to start with a 5EFHE and swap in the 4EFTE pistons. You will have to work on the mounts but it should make a good little motor for hp levels around 200hp and improve braking and handling (do to lower total car weight).

05-16-2009, 09:21 AM	#20 (permalink)
WALKA No Skills Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 47 Thanks: 2 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post iTrader Rating: (1/100% )	o ok well if its weight i guess i can see, but there are some locals that are big tercel nuts. Most people drop the 4e cause of the lack of torque they have COMPARED to the 5efe. TercelOnline.com Board - MD4E's 5EFTE Powered Tercel WIP (LOTS OF PICS!) - Powered by XMB here is a build that got a 5e over 300hp being that its a tercel motor its everywhere. you could probly pick that thing up for $50 and throw some internals in there pretty easily like this guy. i havent seen one of these builds go over 400hp before but i have seen a 4agze go way over that. so i was just saying the power would make up for the weight. like this thread TercelOnline.com Board - My Terc TOOK a trip... completed 4agte swap, 402 whp at 30psi - Powered by XMB this tercel got over 400hp with the 4a motor. guess it depends on if you just want something unique