Management for 4agte

Capt.Evergreen · 06-24-2009, 04:04 PM

I'm purchasing 4agze internals, and will be putting them into my bigport na...
What is the easyist/best engine management I should go for.... Maybe 4agze ecu and injectors... Or meagasquirt... Piggy backs to standalones.... Just need a little hint... I think 4agze everything...

Also what's good with intercooler in rear trunk???? I'm looking for reliable turbo motor... Not over the top... 300 hp is over the top... Probly 175-200...
Thanks to much
Capt. Evergreen

328FTW · 06-24-2009, 08:25 PM

175-200 will be easy and won't be stressed at all. An all out engine managment will give you more hp just as reliably if you know what you are doing. The 4agze ecu should be able to do it though, 10 psi boost on a good turbo and it will be good.

With a full stand alone I would be happy running 16psi with a good tune. Would rev all day as long as you put good gas in it.

Capt.Evergreen · 06-25-2009, 02:20 AM

Nice have u seen comon stand alone systems or is any one ok to use??? And if I use standalone I will hit over 200 win good tuneing???
Thanks for the help
Capt. EverGreen

328FTW · 06-25-2009, 06:48 AM

Well in the end it comes down to how much hp you can afford, you could get 600hp out of it but the cost would be staggering. Any standalone will do it some some are more common than others. There are also piggyback solutions which would actually be not that bad for what you want. Over here we use link because it has a good userbase in NZ and its what I've got I'm just gathering the other things I need. The big names are Link, Microtech, Wolf, Megasquirt, Haltech actually I could go on for a while they can be a royal PITA to tune and to learn what you are doing but once you know what your doing you can do anything with them. It comes down to what you are familiar with or what you think you can learn, the best ecu is worthless if you can't use it or your tuner is not familiar with it. The best ecu is what you can use (or learn to use somehow)

Granted that you are asking this question I woudn't think you have a very broad knowledge of tuning engines so you may be better off with the 4agze ecu and some messing around with a Fuel Pressure Regulator or getting a piggyback for the 4agze ecu like the eManage which just tweaks the stock ecus fuel and spark or just a fuel computer since it is a stock boosted map. As long as you get it running reasonably well you can take it to a tuner and do a few dyno runs to get it a bit more finely adjusted. It has less flexibility but as long as you don't want to raise the rev limit and do some of the other trick things standalone can do it works well.

This is where being friends with a tuner would be awesome you could bum off him instead

boycelaforest · 06-25-2009, 10:40 AM

Get a standalone probably a megasquirt would be the cheapest route. Get a wideband O2 for logging. Get a basemap from someone with a turbo.
Street tune it. log AF ratios on safe tune, go adjusting from there..

d962r · 06-25-2009, 11:25 AM

I have a 4agte on Megasquirt... still ramping up the boost 139.3whp @ 8psi but I'm going for as much as I can get. will be shooting for 22psi or more. would like to get close to 300+ whp

Capt.Evergreen · 06-28-2009, 01:19 PM

Thanks alot everyone... I geuss I will run a piggy back for now... U guys can keep posting. It I got what I needed... Thanks
Capt. EverGreen

toyotaspeed90 · 07-01-2009, 12:25 PM

i've got a 7age and a 4agze both on MS (different versions).... it's pretty straight forward

Capt.Evergreen · 07-09-2009, 09:12 AM

hows the 7a differ from the 4a... power bands???

toyotaspeed90 · 07-09-2009, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Capt.Evergreen

hows the 7a differ from the 4a... power bands???

the bore is identical (which is why you can use 4age pistons in a 7a) but the stroke is longer -- essentially a 7age is just a stroked 4age.

It gives a bit more torque down low.

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Capt.Evergreen Cage Fighter Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 106 Thanks: 2 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	Management for 4agte I'm purchasing 4agze internals, and will be putting them into my bigport na... What is the easyist/best engine management I should go for.... Maybe 4agze ecu and injectors... Or meagasquirt... Piggy backs to standalones.... Just need a little hint... I think 4agze everything... Also what's good with intercooler in rear trunk???? I'm looking for reliable turbo motor... Not over the top... 300 hp is over the top... Probly 175-200... Thanks to much Capt. Evergreen

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06-24-2009, 08:25 PM	#2 (permalink)
328FTW 3vzfe tinkering Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: New Zealand Posts: 1,531 Thanks: 12 Thanked 99 Times in 83 Posts My Google Map iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	175-200 will be easy and won't be stressed at all. An all out engine managment will give you more hp just as reliably if you know what you are doing. The 4agze ecu should be able to do it though, 10 psi boost on a good turbo and it will be good. With a full stand alone I would be happy running 16psi with a good tune. Would rev all day as long as you put good gas in it.

06-25-2009, 02:20 AM	#3 (permalink)
Capt.Evergreen Cage Fighter Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 106 Thanks: 2 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	Nice have u seen comon stand alone systems or is any one ok to use??? And if I use standalone I will hit over 200 win good tuneing??? Thanks for the help Capt. EverGreen

06-25-2009, 06:48 AM	#4 (permalink)
328FTW 3vzfe tinkering Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: New Zealand Posts: 1,531 Thanks: 12 Thanked 99 Times in 83 Posts My Google Map iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	Well in the end it comes down to how much hp you can afford, you could get 600hp out of it but the cost would be staggering. Any standalone will do it some some are more common than others. There are also piggyback solutions which would actually be not that bad for what you want. Over here we use link because it has a good userbase in NZ and its what I've got I'm just gathering the other things I need. The big names are Link, Microtech, Wolf, Megasquirt, Haltech actually I could go on for a while they can be a royal PITA to tune and to learn what you are doing but once you know what your doing you can do anything with them. It comes down to what you are familiar with or what you think you can learn, the best ecu is worthless if you can't use it or your tuner is not familiar with it. The best ecu is what you can use (or learn to use somehow) Granted that you are asking this question I woudn't think you have a very broad knowledge of tuning engines so you may be better off with the 4agze ecu and some messing around with a Fuel Pressure Regulator or getting a piggyback for the 4agze ecu like the eManage which just tweaks the stock ecus fuel and spark or just a fuel computer since it is a stock boosted map. As long as you get it running reasonably well you can take it to a tuner and do a few dyno runs to get it a bit more finely adjusted. It has less flexibility but as long as you don't want to raise the rev limit and do some of the other trick things standalone can do it works well. This is where being friends with a tuner would be awesome you could bum off him instead

06-25-2009, 10:40 AM	#5 (permalink)
boycelaforest 1992 Turbo 2 Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Oregon Posts: 450 Thanks: 1 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	Get a standalone probably a megasquirt would be the cheapest route. Get a wideband O2 for logging. Get a basemap from someone with a turbo. Street tune it. log AF ratios on safe tune, go adjusting from there..

06-25-2009, 11:25 AM	#6 (permalink)
d962r yeah I race Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Clackamas Oregon Posts: 529 Thanks: 4 Thanked 5 Times in 5 Posts My Google Map iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	I have a 4agte on Megasquirt... still ramping up the boost 139.3whp @ 8psi but I'm going for as much as I can get. will be shooting for 22psi or more. would like to get close to 300+ whp

06-28-2009, 01:19 PM	#7 (permalink)
Capt.Evergreen Cage Fighter Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 106 Thanks: 2 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	Thanks alot everyone... I geuss I will run a piggy back for now... U guys can keep posting. It I got what I needed... Thanks Capt. EverGreen

07-01-2009, 12:25 PM	#8 (permalink)
toyotaspeed90 No Skills Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Bellingham, WA Posts: 422 Thanks: 0 Thanked 32 Times in 32 Posts My Google Map iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	i've got a 7age and a 4agze both on MS (different versions).... it's pretty straight forward

07-09-2009, 09:12 AM	#9 (permalink)
Capt.Evergreen Cage Fighter Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 106 Thanks: 2 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	hows the 7a differ from the 4a... power bands???