Hydrogen On Demand - Page 3

yikes · 12-09-2007, 10:50 AM

I need to disconnect the fuel pump. Or at least the injectors. Is disconecting each injector the best way? Trying now to run without gasoline. Silly question, I know, but I've never had a need to know until now.

A quick response would be a benefit. Thank you sincerely.

Weasy2k · 12-09-2007, 12:25 PM

Either way would work...i would go with stopping the fuel pump that way you dont have fuel constantly running through the rails.

Find the pump relay and just pull that. Or under the shifter boot there should be the connectors for the fuel pump there as well.

Good luck man!

LordNikon · 12-15-2007, 12:04 PM

Does anyone have any step by step instructions maybe with pics? I understand the whole concept and basicly how it should go together, but I want to make sure I'm understanding the construction properly.

eckoman_pdx · 12-19-2007, 01:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by yikes

I need to disconnect the fuel pump. Or at least the injectors. Is disconecting each injector the best way? Trying now to run without gasoline. Silly question, I know, but I've never had a need to know until now.

A quick response would be a benefit. Thank you sincerely.

So what ever happened to running without gasoline? I'm assuming you are trying to run just off the hydrogen?

Weasy2k · 12-19-2007, 01:16 AM

he is about to try that hence asking how to shut off the fuel system

As for step by step stuff...there are several good websites for this stuff...

Here is one GOOD example

I got my 92 All-Trac wagon running with a 95 4afe motor and am doing some baseline fuel economy readings. Once i am done that ill make my first unit to test it out.

eckoman_pdx · 12-19-2007, 01:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Weasy2k

he is about to try that hence asking how to shut off the fuel system

As for step by step stuff...there are several good websites for this stuff...

Here is one GOOD example

I got my 92 All-Trac wagon running with a 95 4afe motor and am doing some baseline fuel economy readings. Once i am done that ill make my first unit to test it out.

Sweet, I can't wait to hear how it turns out!

Weasy2k · 12-19-2007, 01:49 AM

i hope i dont blow things up :P SHould be pretty good, i plan to follow some of yikes plans and some of the "water powered cars" plans.

transamdrifter · 01-01-2008, 02:00 AM

Hey Just looking around and found this. Well I got to say that Bob is not to far from reality. Hydrogen burns well bu not efficeint enough for an internal combustion engine. Tell u the truth I prefer e 85 for combustion.

But when it come to electric motors fuel cell is the future. Though I am trying to satrt a 4 stroke engine w/ electrolysis.

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Gairloch · 02-13-2008, 07:30 PM

Someone is offering a kit commercially now with a piggyback it looks like.

PICC

transamdrifter · 02-14-2008, 09:20 AM

Yea I've seen it. I know that when you heat up the gasoline it is injected as vapor wich is more effecient.

runabout93 · 02-14-2008, 09:31 AM

^ now that PICC is very interesting... any technical people have an opinion about it? Is it a total hoax? It's hard to believe anything on the Internet these days.

transamdrifter · 02-14-2008, 10:42 AM

I was watching HP TV on spikeTV and they where going over their bloopers. One of them was a fiero that the guy had ran some steel fuel lines around his exhaust and used it to heat and veproize the fuel. This worked to give him better gas milage but they ended up catching on fire when the fuel line burst becosue of the vibration of the exhaust.

On the aw11 I was thinking about using the oil coolong system in the cooling pipes to warm up but not vaporize the fuel. It might help.... Check us out on myspace and click to be a friend at

MySpace.com - Sheridan Tech ASE Automotive Team NATEF Certified - 25 - Male - HOLLYWOOD, Flevoland - www.myspace.com/stcauto

I got cool videos on the page about e85 hydrogen and other cool stuff

hosh · 02-14-2008, 01:53 PM

Using your oil is the best way.
On aircraft they use the fuel to cool the oil (its called a fuel heater), which in turn heats the fuel. This improves efficiency.

The closer you can get to vaporization temp without actually vaporizing in the fuel line the better.

LordNikon · 02-16-2008, 11:15 PM

have you seen the price for their hydro-booster kit? $995.95 And from what I can tell thats just for the kit no install or "tuning" that they say you need with their piggyback. I would hate to see their price on the PICC. I think I may get a quote from them just for the hell of it.

Oh yeah I came across a GZE so I'll prob be doing a swap here pretty soon. How well does the hydro-booster work with forced induction?

You know it that PICC works we could all down grade to like a 3gal tank, and still get over 300mpg. Thats insane, hope it works.

transamdrifter · 02-20-2008, 09:13 AM

you can make your own

LordNikon · 02-20-2008, 01:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by transamdrifter

you can make your own

I am aware of this I have most of the parts I need already. But they offer a bunch of other parts to help imporve the system. Watch their video, and you'll see what I mean. I don't think that piggyback they make would be that easy to make yourself...I'm not that great with understanding electronics and programmeing code. Now you could prob make your own ECU using the megasquirt and just tune it accordingly.

runabout93 · 02-25-2008, 12:21 PM

Any news from yikes (the op)? How's your setup going?

yikes · 03-13-2008, 06:18 PM

I came to the forum to relearn about brake calipers,,,funny how easy it is to forget this stuff,,,,well sad actually.

I have made and used many different configurations of boosters,,they all work to a degree. The last one I had put out about 20 lpm (liters per minute). But I had a backfire which popped off the air filter can and blew off 4 vacuum hoses and of course scared the piss out of me.
I just made a new style booster and will put it on the car soon just to keep me focused. But I have veered off from electrolysers to other forms of splitting water.
The good news is that we will be able to use water as a fuel.
The bad news is,,,,,well there is no bad news,,,it's just going to take a little more time before I get to come here and start my pompous bragging. ha.

But,,I would caution any who want to buy a unit to wait a while or just build your own (best course), but keep your production below 5 lpm so that you and your car remain safe.

yikes · 03-13-2008, 07:13 PM

I forgot to clarify some things.
On the first page I said that it would take 23 liter per minute to run this car on HHO. That is basically correct. But only at a low idle (as I have learned). It will take about 1 lpm per horsepower of engine to go down the road. There is a real problem with acceleration using this type of water splitting. i.e. you can't store this well enough to be able to have extra available to "take off". And the safety factor is daunting. Making 100 lpm is not all that hard. Using 100 lpm safely is all that hard. Just the static electricity from the movement of tiny droplets can create a spark to set it off,,,,and 100 lpm going off WILL upset your morning drive.

I had the car running on H, but only for 5 seconds at a time. I wasn't making enough H to keep it going. I started making more lpm and tried it on the car when the backfire occurred. I took the unit out to my little 10 hp lawn mower and had it running on H for 20 seconds at a time, but water would foul the plug and it would die. It has been too cold for more testing and my time is spent with other things in the lab.

When I have some good news from my testing, I will report it here first.

But I would like to say that, guys, we are in an energy revolution and you can be a part of it. Just build a little booster and watch it,,,your mind will come up with a better way to do the job, so build that. Even better ideas will pop into your head and other methods will occur to you,,,try them. It is very possible that YOU could be the guy that defines how to get the job done.
As for me, I don't come online much anymore, too busy downstairs. This is fun.

runabout93 · 03-17-2008, 09:28 AM

Thanks for the update Yikes... and good luck to you. Hope to hear more in the future.

12-09-2007, 10:50 AM	#41 (permalink)
yikes Cage Fighter Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Gnaw Bone, Indiana Posts: 230 Thanks: 2 Thanked 11 Times in 3 Posts iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	I need to disconnect the fuel pump. Or at least the injectors. Is disconecting each injector the best way? Trying now to run without gasoline. Silly question, I know, but I've never had a need to know until now. A quick response would be a benefit. Thank you sincerely. Last edited by yikes; 12-09-2007 at 11:59 AM.

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Weasy2k 3.4L 10K RPM In the works Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Vancouver, BC Posts: 8,895 Thanks: 34 Thanked 80 Times in 66 Posts iTrader Rating: (9/100% )	Either way would work...i would go with stopping the fuel pump that way you dont have fuel constantly running through the rails. Find the pump relay and just pull that. Or under the shifter boot there should be the connectors for the fuel pump there as well. Good luck man! __________________ -Johnny @ Sea2Sky Tuning - www.sea2skytuning.com http://www.mr2.com/forums/sea2sky-tu...-out-sale.html

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12-15-2007, 12:04 PM	#43 (permalink)
LordNikon ProjectMadMR2 Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Ft. Hood TX Posts: 145 Thanks: 1 Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	Does anyone have any step by step instructions maybe with pics? I understand the whole concept and basicly how it should go together, but I want to make sure I'm understanding the construction properly.

12-19-2007, 01:16 AM	#45 (permalink)
Weasy2k 3.4L 10K RPM In the works Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Vancouver, BC Posts: 8,895 Thanks: 34 Thanked 80 Times in 66 Posts iTrader Rating: (9/100% )	he is about to try that hence asking how to shut off the fuel system As for step by step stuff...there are several good websites for this stuff... Here is one GOOD example I got my 92 All-Trac wagon running with a 95 4afe motor and am doing some baseline fuel economy readings. Once i am done that ill make my first unit to test it out.

12-19-2007, 01:49 AM	#47 (permalink)
Weasy2k 3.4L 10K RPM In the works Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Vancouver, BC Posts: 8,895 Thanks: 34 Thanked 80 Times in 66 Posts iTrader Rating: (9/100% )	i hope i dont blow things up :P SHould be pretty good, i plan to follow some of yikes plans and some of the "water powered cars" plans.

02-14-2008, 09:20 AM	#50 (permalink)
transamdrifter Some Skills Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 59 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	Yea I've seen it. I know that when you heat up the gasoline it is injected as vapor wich is more effecient.

02-14-2008, 09:31 AM	#51 (permalink)
runabout93 Cage Fighter Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Vermont Posts: 359 Thanks: 25 Thanked 27 Times in 9 Posts iTrader Rating: (2/100% )	^ now that PICC is very interesting... any technical people have an opinion about it? Is it a total hoax? It's hard to believe anything on the Internet these days.

02-14-2008, 10:42 AM	#52 (permalink)
transamdrifter Some Skills Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 59 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	I was watching HP TV on spikeTV and they where going over their bloopers. One of them was a fiero that the guy had ran some steel fuel lines around his exhaust and used it to heat and veproize the fuel. This worked to give him better gas milage but they ended up catching on fire when the fuel line burst becosue of the vibration of the exhaust. On the aw11 I was thinking about using the oil coolong system in the cooling pipes to warm up but not vaporize the fuel. It might help.... Check us out on myspace and click to be a friend at MySpace.com - Sheridan Tech ASE Automotive Team NATEF Certified - 25 - Male - HOLLYWOOD, Flevoland - www.myspace.com/stcauto I got cool videos on the page about e85 hydrogen and other cool stuff

02-14-2008, 01:53 PM	#53 (permalink)
hosh to many yotas, never! Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: skiatook, ok Posts: 75 Thanks: 3 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	Using your oil is the best way. On aircraft they use the fuel to cool the oil (its called a fuel heater), which in turn heats the fuel. This improves efficiency. The closer you can get to vaporization temp without actually vaporizing in the fuel line the better.

02-16-2008, 11:15 PM	#54 (permalink)
LordNikon ProjectMadMR2 Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Ft. Hood TX Posts: 145 Thanks: 1 Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	have you seen the price for their hydro-booster kit? $995.95 And from what I can tell thats just for the kit no install or "tuning" that they say you need with their piggyback. I would hate to see their price on the PICC. I think I may get a quote from them just for the hell of it. Oh yeah I came across a GZE so I'll prob be doing a swap here pretty soon. How well does the hydro-booster work with forced induction? You know it that PICC works we could all down grade to like a 3gal tank, and still get over 300mpg. Thats insane, hope it works.

02-20-2008, 09:13 AM	#55 (permalink)
transamdrifter Some Skills Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 59 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	you can make your own

02-25-2008, 12:21 PM	#57 (permalink)
runabout93 Cage Fighter Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Vermont Posts: 359 Thanks: 25 Thanked 27 Times in 9 Posts iTrader Rating: (2/100% )	Any news from yikes (the op)? How's your setup going?

03-13-2008, 06:18 PM	#58 (permalink)
yikes Cage Fighter Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Gnaw Bone, Indiana Posts: 230 Thanks: 2 Thanked 11 Times in 3 Posts iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	I came to the forum to relearn about brake calipers,,,funny how easy it is to forget this stuff,,,,well sad actually. I have made and used many different configurations of boosters,,they all work to a degree. The last one I had put out about 20 lpm (liters per minute). But I had a backfire which popped off the air filter can and blew off 4 vacuum hoses and of course scared the piss out of me. I just made a new style booster and will put it on the car soon just to keep me focused. But I have veered off from electrolysers to other forms of splitting water. The good news is that we will be able to use water as a fuel. The bad news is,,,,,well there is no bad news,,,it's just going to take a little more time before I get to come here and start my pompous bragging. ha. But,,I would caution any who want to buy a unit to wait a while or just build your own (best course), but keep your production below 5 lpm so that you and your car remain safe.

03-13-2008, 07:13 PM	#59 (permalink)
yikes Cage Fighter Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Gnaw Bone, Indiana Posts: 230 Thanks: 2 Thanked 11 Times in 3 Posts iTrader Rating: (0/0% )	I forgot to clarify some things. On the first page I said that it would take 23 liter per minute to run this car on HHO. That is basically correct. But only at a low idle (as I have learned). It will take about 1 lpm per horsepower of engine to go down the road. There is a real problem with acceleration using this type of water splitting. i.e. you can't store this well enough to be able to have extra available to "take off". And the safety factor is daunting. Making 100 lpm is not all that hard. Using 100 lpm safely is all that hard. Just the static electricity from the movement of tiny droplets can create a spark to set it off,,,,and 100 lpm going off WILL upset your morning drive. I had the car running on H, but only for 5 seconds at a time. I wasn't making enough H to keep it going. I started making more lpm and tried it on the car when the backfire occurred. I took the unit out to my little 10 hp lawn mower and had it running on H for 20 seconds at a time, but water would foul the plug and it would die. It has been too cold for more testing and my time is spent with other things in the lab. When I have some good news from my testing, I will report it here first. But I would like to say that, guys, we are in an energy revolution and you can be a part of it. Just build a little booster and watch it,,,your mind will come up with a better way to do the job, so build that. Even better ideas will pop into your head and other methods will occur to you,,,try them. It is very possible that YOU could be the guy that defines how to get the job done. As for me, I don't come online much anymore, too busy downstairs. This is fun.

03-17-2008, 09:28 AM	#60 (permalink)
runabout93 Cage Fighter Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Vermont Posts: 359 Thanks: 25 Thanked 27 Times in 9 Posts iTrader Rating: (2/100% )	Thanks for the update Yikes... and good luck to you. Hope to hear more in the future.