Hydrogen On Demand

[eckoman_pdx]

Yikes, I hope you check in from time to time and keep us updated. Good luck with all of this. It certainly has me interested in trying it out at some point when I have more time.

[Gunner]

exellant read Yikes.

Have you ever looked into the Joe cell? it is the same set up with a little twist, you only charge your cell for 3 minuts at a time twice a day. you leave the negative on at all times, and the charge excites the atoms and releases the electrons from the atoms creating HHO and monatomic ions that have superconducting properties, these ions are why you where still able to get a fuel mileage increase even without the power to your cell hooked up.


The ions penetrate the block and are atracted to the spark. I know this sounds a bit odd but can b verifyed, you can look up some atoms without electrons have superconducting properties, with these negative charged cells the ions build up on the negative plates, dont wash them off, they will apear as a wight powder, you can test that they are ions by weighing your plate and torching it with a torch, the plaits will lose wight until they cool again, they will also gain weight in the freezer.

Any ways once the water is converted to HHO you can hook up the line to your vacuum intake, and only need a 3 minut charge a day, I hit mine with three minuts when warming up my car, also adding a 1.5 volt battery to you cell at night will keep the water converted.

This style of charging produces grater gas mileage than hydrogen on demand by far, some run there cars completely on it, and others have gained 90%.

if you guys would like a quick water to run on water 100%, here ya go.

Thanks for sharing Yikes.

Run your car on 100% water

YouTube - Cold Fusion Plasma 9

Here is how you convert your car or truck to do this as well.

http://waterpoweredcar.com/watercar.pdf

[Teado]

Originally Posted by yikes

BTW, the plates will never wear out.

That depends on what you put into solution. I've tried NaCl (table salt) and with ~7amps the plates were corroding fairly fast. I was doing random experiments with varieties of electrolytes.

I've built a few of these and am working on putting a generator in my F150 (before I attempt my MK1), which I can monitor my fuel / air mixture as well as many other factors through my OBDII port so I'm looking forward to testing that.

Also a note about the stainless light cover plates; the first one I assembled I had the lip of the plate facing down so bubbles would form in the cavitation under the plate. Later I re-arranged them to be facing up, or vertical, so there would be no restriction for the Hydrogen to leave the solution. Just an observation...

All in all, it's a lot of fun and fine tuning the generation and trying to optomize the system!

[kameleon]

I am slowly gathering the items needed to assemble a unit. I had emailed yikes with a few questions but have gotten no reply. I hope all is well with him.

I think I will try it on my 93 Hilux and 94 Corolla first as I know what the MPG is on them. Plus I can do a double blind test and have the units on both vehicles but we won't know when they are hooked up or not. I can get one of my guys to hook/unhook at random without our knowledge and see what the changes are.

[eckoman_pdx]

Originally Posted by kameleon

I am slowly gathering the items needed to assemble a unit. I had emailed yikes with a few questions but have gotten no reply. I hope all is well with him.

I think I will try it on my 93 Hilux and 94 Corolla first as I know what the MPG is on them. Plus I can do a double blind test and have the units on both vehicles but we won't know when they are hooked up or not. I can get one of my guys to hook/unhook at random without our knowledge and see what the changes are.

Please post up results when you are done, as well as a how to with a complete list of parts (approx prices would be neat too).

I really do want to try this at some point. I just need to get some free time so I can research it more.

[kameleon]

Originally Posted by eckoman_pdx

Please post up results when you are done, as well as a how to with a complete list of parts (approx prices would be neat too).

I really do want to try this at some point. I just need to get some free time so I can research it more.

When I get this started I will throw a webpage up with a blog and all. That would probably be best so it is out there for the masses to see. I will update here once I get that setup.

[eckoman_pdx]

Originally Posted by kameleon

When I get this started I will throw a webpage up with a blog and all. That would probably be best so it is out there for the masses to see. I will update here once I get that setup.

Thanks! Please post the link to your website/blog you are setting up for this once you have it up and running

[Teado]

I installed one on my F150, which has an OBD2 port that I have been able to hook up to my laptop and data-log fuel trim ratio's, the MAF, speed and tons of other things. Anyhow, I ran it for a quick test this morning and noticed a mpg improvement. I'm going to run a longer test here shortly with fewer variables, and see what happens!




Edit:

Took the truck for a test and blew my 30 amp fuse. Time to adjust a few things, lol

[mopwer]

There is a shop here in AZ that will install one on your vehicle.

MyFox Phoenix | New Device Reduces Fuel Consumption

Greg

[kameleon]

That right there scares me. They "lean the fuel by 25%"... that right there is most of the fuel savings but too much risk of detonation if you ask me.

Just an update on my progress too... I am going to try my best to work on the site tonight. Gotta get it looking decent. Once I get it up and running I will post here so ya'll can check it out.

[eckoman_pdx]

Originally Posted by kameleon

That right there scares me. They "lean the fuel by 25%"... that right there is most of the fuel savings but too much risk of detonation if you ask me.

Just an update on my progress too... I am going to try my best to work on the site tonight. Gotta get it looking decent. Once I get it up and running I will post here so ya'll can check it out.

Thanks!!

[mopwer]

Originally Posted by kameleon

That right there scares me. They "lean the fuel by 25%"... that right there is most of the fuel savings but too much risk of detonation if you ask me.

Just an update on my progress too... I am going to try my best to work on the site tonight. Gotta get it looking decent. Once I get it up and running I will post here so ya'll can check it out.

He doesn't say he leans the engine out by 25%, he said that 20% of your fuel is used in cooling the engine, which is BS.

Greg

[kameleon]

Originally Posted by mopwer

He doesn't say he leans the engine out by 25%, he said that 20% of your fuel is used in cooling the engine, which is BS.

Greg

But if you look at their website located here: Arizona Free Gas - HOME you find this in the second paragraph...

Originally Posted by http://www.arizonafreegas.com

The way the system works on a gas engine: A trained mechanic with sophisticated diagnostic equipment will precisely lean out the gas going to the engine by 25%

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That is enough to make me su****ious of that setup. That and it takes at least 20 miles to see any effect... hmmmm. I think it is time I order my stuff to start.

[mopwer]

Originally Posted by kameleon

But if you look at their website located here: Arizona Free Gas - HOME you find this in the second paragraph...

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That is enough to make me su****ious of that setup. That and it takes at least 20 miles to see any effect... hmmmm. I think it is time I order my stuff to start.

Ah, didn't see the website. That is concerning. The computer would pull fuel based on the O2 sensor readings, but they shouldn't need to pull it from the computer. Did you also see that they were talking about emissions reductions stating "Nitrous Oxides are also reduced". Nitrous! I didn't know my motor was PRODUCING Nitrous!! LOL

Greg

[Teado]

There are a lot of wolves in sheep's clothing out there trying to capitalize on other people's ignorance. I bet if you kept reading they would probably recommend changing your spark plug fluid on a regular basis to help fuel economy...

[kameleon]

Exactly. I would not doubt that about the spark plug fluid. Hence why I am so ready to get my test underway. I have the site online but no info as of yet. Plus I am still working on the theme. Can't have a chintzy looking page ya know.

[kameleon]

Ok, I have the page done to the point where I feel comfortable enough to let others see it. You can go to Kameleon’s Blog Welcome.. Feel free to register there or follow via the RSS feed. As soon as I get more info it will be on there. Also you can post comments if you like. If there is anything you need/want to know feel free to contact me via blog, here, email, etc.

[mopwer]

Originally Posted by kameleon

Ok, I have the page done to the point where I feel comfortable enough to let others see it. You can go to Kameleon’s Blog Welcome.. Feel free to register there or follow via the RSS feed. As soon as I get more info it will be on there. Also you can post comments if you like. If there is anything you need/want to know feel free to contact me via blog, here, email, etc.

Can't wait to see your results. Looks like you have it planned out pretty well.

When you say your employees can unhook the unit or not, are they just disconnecting the power feed or the HHO feed to the intake as well? I'm sure I've read where people have only needed to apply power for a small amount of time to charge the cell then only leave the ground hooked up and it will keep producing HHO. Would probably be a good idea to cut the feed completely as this could corrupt the test if there is anyway HHO could get fed to the engine.

Greg

[kameleon]

When I say they can disconnect it I mean both power and feed. It will be totally isolated from the engine as if it was not in there. Thanks for the feedback!

[eckoman_pdx]

Originally Posted by mopwer

Ah, didn't see the website. That is concerning. The computer would pull fuel based on the O2 sensor readings, but they shouldn't need to pull it from the computer. Did you also see that they were talking about emissions reductions stating "Nitrous Oxides are also reduced". Nitrous! I didn't know my motor was PRODUCING Nitrous!! LOL

Greg

I see Nitrogen Oxides (Nox) referred to as "Nitrous Oxides" as lot on DEQ printouts. Even the Oregon DEQ calls it "Nitrous Oxides" on the emissions printout. However, cars do produce Nitrous Oxides (N20).

Originally Posted by From the EPA website

Mobile and stationary sources of fossil fuel combustion. N2O is a product of the reaction that occurs between nitrogen and oxygen during fossil fuel combustion. The volume emitted varies with the fuel type, technology, or pollution control device used, as well as maintenance and operating practices. For example, catalytic converters can promote the formation of N2O, although the latest technical modifications to converters are addressing this problem. The U.S. inventory report provides a detailed description on N2O emissions from fuel combustion sources and how they are estimated (see the chapter entitled "Energy").

US EPA - Nitrous Oxide: Sources and Emissions